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2012-11-10, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, but horrible writing, non-existent characterization, juvenile and out of place humor, and sheer laziness in production can. The fact that they make money is because the spectacle is enough to distract people, the other parts that make up a movie, story, characters, ect are discarded.
So maybe it's for the best, because at least Grimlock hasn't been screwed over...Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-11-10, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well this was expected.
This will continue going for as long as people want to watch it.
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2012-11-10, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Has that really changed in the films? The humans (and all the bots) are nothing more than comic relief. And as for being tricked, the Decepticons get away with this in the 2nd and 3rd films. When Megatron lies to humanity in the 2nd and 3rd films saying they just want the Autobots gone and they won't harm humanity, who do humans believe?
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2012-11-10, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-10, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thing is, G1 Bumblebee was badass, at the end of the run (Regeneration One pending). In fact, he was one of the characters that showed the most development (along with the likes of Prime/Grimlock/Starscream), as he started out getting picked on and beat up on more than one occasion in the early part of the series, so when he reached the point he was a serious combatant in his own right, it was awesome.
Also, Bumbleebee, being one of the Autobot's better wisecrackers being muted really grated - for me this was the Transformers equivilent of Wolverine: Origins' Deadpool.
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2012-11-10, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I meant
Spoilerthe cheesy propaganda from Transformers cartoon that showed Autobots as evil from 1980s Transformer Cartoon.
P.S- Let's look at how Hasbro ruined XCom franchise before 2012. XCom Enforcer, anyone? They even planned to make a saturday morning cartoon out of it.Last edited by t209; 2012-11-10 at 05:13 PM.
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2012-11-10, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nah, man. There's whole fathoms of depth to plumb there. They could go some interesting routes with Thunderwing, Scorponok (wait, scratch that, they killed a Scorponok off in the first one), Straxus, Scourge, Ratbat, Jhiaxus, another dude simply taking up the name of Megatron, or what-have-you. Autobot or Neutral parties who've heard that Prime went and blew up the homeworld, even.
Soundwave got killed by Bumblebee in the execution sequence of DotM. Basically if a Decepticon got named in the movies, he's dead by the end of DotM.
Prepare to be disheartened!
And, uh, I like Prime Bee. I think he's got a lot of character for being a collection of beeps and whirrs, thanks to some good body language and emotive eyes. I dunno.Last edited by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins; 2012-11-10 at 08:40 PM.
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Everyone's dead, Dave. Bonecrusher is dead. Blackout is dead. Brawl is dead. Scavenger's dead. Devastator is dead. Scorponok's dead. The Fallen's dead. Jetfire's dead. Ravage is dead. Shockwave's dead. Soundwave's dead. Barricade's dead. Starscream's dead. Sentinel is dead. Megatron is dead twice. Innumerable unamed Decepticons are dead. The Allspark's dead (and its known fragments spent). The Space Bridge Pillars are inoperative. Cybertron is dead.
Cybertron is dead. The Decepticons of Transformers 4 could well be motivated purely out of revenge for their homeworld. They could be joined by Autobots, brought together by a mutual feeling of loss with the final destruction of Cybertron. It could be interesting.
But I'm betting its not going to be like that.The above post sponsored by Fullbladder Manufacturing.
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As old Grimlock himself said:
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Kinda disappointed this was the best image I could find of that quote.
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And, uh, I like Prime Bee. I think he's got a lot of character for being a collection of beeps and whirrs, thanks to some good body language and emotive eyes. I dunno.Thanks to Elrond for the Vash avatar.
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2012-11-11, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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As for Megatron being dead... wouldn't that just be the time for us to find out about Robot Hell and that Unicron plucks him out of it to empower him for the umpteenth time?
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2012-11-13, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Transformers are kinda stuck with humans.
1.All most all Transformers transform into a vehicle of some sort. And a vehicle is made to hold a driver and passengers. So, as vehicles, they have doors and cockpits and such. But without humans(or an equally sized alien race) then the transformers would not need to waste space. This is hugely true with most autobots, as the passenger space of a car takes up a huge amount of room.
This was one of the big problems with the 'robots only' comics. Why did they still transform into vehicles with doors and cockpits and such? It was almost as bad as ''oh it's millions of years before 1984, but everyone still transforms into Earth stuff as I'm a lazy writer and can't think up of new alt modes for like twenty characters.''
And it's just kinda odd that transformers just turn into 'car things' or 'plane things', but not really cars or planes.
2.Robots in Disguise. A big, big part of the transformers is the disguise part. And without humans, and the backdrop of Earth, you can't really get the 'disguise' part. Space is big and mostly empty, so unless all the transformers alt modes are just rocks, they can't really hide 'out there'. And they don't really 'disguise' from each other on Cybertron as..well...the planet is full of transformers. The only place a transformer can hide in disguise is some place like Earth. An autobot that looks like a car can sure blend in with other cars and fool both humans and decepticons. So you need humans and Earth.
3.Alt modes. If you had no humans, no Earth or any other life and just transformers....why would transformers not have useful alt modes. Take most ground vehicle autobots. They often look like 'plain cars' to blend in, as if they had , say 5mm cannons on their hood people would notice. And that is fine for disguise: autobots give up any outward weapons for the sake of disguise. But if your just becoming a 'vehicle like thing' to move in a civil war, why not have outward weapons? Or rocket thrusters? Or anything else?
It just gets worse when you realize that lots of transformers are helpless in vehicle mode. The vast majority of autobots can't do much more then say open a car door and swing it at someone. Now some autobots, like Grapple who can transform into a crane, do have useful alt modes, as do many decepticons. But most are both helpless and useless. Now again this is done for disguise, but if your not 'in disguise' then why not have a useful alt mode? Classic G1 Ironhide would sure be more useful as a 'van' if he had a cannon to fire his liquids too...
And the lazy writers don't want to do too many alt alt modes, both as it's too much work, but also as they want to keep the characters recognizable. Though this leads to some odd(and stupid) things like ''oh look at the yellow Camaro 'hiding in disguise' on Mars, gosh I wonder where Bumblebee is?Last edited by Gamer Girl; 2012-11-13 at 11:17 AM.
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Would them stealing the plot twist of the end of Prime Season 1 be good or bad for the Unicron reveal? (It would retcon the comics set in that continuity, though...)
Decepticons like to use fighter jets. Those are very useful alt modes, whether their main armament is a rack of missiles or a fusion cannon. Occasionally, Autobots have been shown to adapt their alt-modes to have deployable weapons, but since they seem to prefer direct 'bot-on-'con action, they use their alts mostly as a mobility thing.
...Also, poking around the Transformers Wiki, I saw some concept art for Megatron that indicates that at one point they were considering a much cleaner art style than the every-pixel-is-a-different-moving-piece "style" they went with. It would have almost made Bay's Dutch Angle Shaky Cam With Explosions combat sequences possible to follow unaided.
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2012-11-13, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except fighter jets are not all that useful for manipulation of objects or such. If they were 'birds' or 'pterodactyls' they would at least have claws.
Plus it's a little odd that decepticon fighters are aerodynamic. There is just not that much 'air' in the universe to fly through. Sure it's good on Earth, Cybertron and, well, say Venus, but aerodyynamics don't matter for the rest of the known universe.
And deployable weapons are a huge waste of space. Your alt mode needs a big enough empty spot to hold the weapon.