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2012-11-20, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Guns are only weapon you need in modern RPG setting?
A real gunshot actually is not that easy to identify. It sounds more like a firework (in my experience) than the gunshot sound effect we hear in movies. People will still call the police, hopefully, but I would not assume people will identify it correctly.
Kevlar can be treated to be stab resistant. It's not as good as a rigid plate but it's much better than a "really heavy sweater."
This is correct. Just as important to note, though, is that armor piercing is comparatively good at piercing because the standard self-defense bullet (for non-military use) is a hollow point, which is designed to flatten and expand upon impact, transferring more energy to the target. This is more effective against flesh, but less so against a vest, which tries to disperse the energy across a wider area. The hollow point works into this tendency, while the "armor piercing" bullet fights against it.
The person you quote specified an already drawn knife. The Tueller Drill puts the threat range at about 21 feet for holstered gun versus a drawn knife ...which is pretty scary."A sword worth 100 ryo can be defeated by 100 spears each costing 1 ryo."
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2012-11-20, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Guns are only weapon you need in modern RPG setting?
Civilians, maybe, and even that is heavily dependent on the local area. If you're just out randomly murderizing late-night joggers, silence is less important than your ability to escape the scene of the crime quickly. If you're concerned with being quiet, you plan to stick around, which probably means you're somewhere with security guards or other significantly more alert and scream-sensitive people.
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2012-11-20, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Guns are only weapon you need in modern RPG setting?
Last edited by DontEatRawHagis; 2012-11-20 at 12:49 PM.
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2012-11-21, 03:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Guns are only weapon you need in modern RPG setting?
I think we are on the same page, but just make sure we are on the same wavelength.
The Tueller drill assumes that the gun wielder *knows* that the knife user is present, armed, and has hostile intent. The knife wielder does NOT catch the gun user off guard in the sense that it is an ambush.
Honestly I think the important parts of this study are to make officers aware of just how dangerous a knife user is, and also to show the public that an officer drawing a gun on a knife user who is "so far away" is NOT overreacting. 21 feet seems like a long distance if you just look real quick, right?
EDIT: Obviously, a drawn gun changes the equation somewhat, but the big problem is that the gun often gives the gun user an unjustified sense of "advantage." Even with a drawn gun versus a drawn knife, the "safe zone" is something like 15 ft or so. (I forgot the study that measured this.) It takes almost a second from when the "attacker" starts moving until the gun user processes the movement and puts a shot on target.Last edited by blackseven; 2012-11-21 at 03:26 AM.
"A sword worth 100 ryo can be defeated by 100 spears each costing 1 ryo."
"Shrimp may attack dragons in shallow water." - Chinese proverb
Jale Morningson, Bard-at-Large (Rise of Darkness)