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2012-11-18, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: empowered maximized awakened plants
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2012-11-18, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: empowered maximized awakened plants
Bonsai are man made, but you can get very small trees. They're usually referred to as shrubs though, so YMMV.
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2012-11-18, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-18, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: empowered maximized awakened plants
A plant, maybe a shrub, maybe a bush, but not a tree unless it's big enough. You wouldn´t call an apple tree sprout that is only a few weeks old and a few inches tall a tree; the same goes for an old stunted apple tree that is only a few inches tall.
And anyway, I think they intended the spell to work only for real, big trees; otherwise they would have allowed its use for any plant (what would be the mechanical difference between a cabbage and a bonsai?).Last edited by Clistenes; 2012-11-18 at 07:33 PM.
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2012-11-19, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: empowered maximized awakened plants
Whoops.
Well "I saw this on a forum somewhere" should have been a big clue to say "no". The only reason it's online is because it's exploiting a loophole.
Theoretically it does seem to work because the awakened creature's type is plant. You could always awaken a sapling to get size tiny. It might not be a typical tree but it is still a tree and the spell doesn't seem to have any special age restrictions.
I think the reason for restricting the spells to trees is primarily fluff. Druids have a lot of tree spells. But it also prevents certain animated objects forms of movement and special attacks. And prevents potential issues figuring out how it works on plants with very complicated shapes. What do you do with a sentient 10 foot tall flower? A 20 foot long vine? It's pretty easy to figure out how a tree might move like an animal tho.Last edited by ericgrau; 2012-11-19 at 01:02 AM.
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2012-11-20, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-20, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-20, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-20, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: empowered maximized awakened plants
I've played a character with the Symbiotic Creature template using a maximized empowered awakened guest plant and have posted about it here before, so it's possible the OP's player saw one of my posts and got the idea from that.
I would note, however, in case they "forgot" the original context, that this was "perfectly acceptable" for a highly-optimized noncaster who was using and abusing several other high-power and possibly cheesy things (bloodline IL stacking and Item Familiar being two of them) and who was in a party that included a Tainted Scholar necromancer, a DFI sublime chord/ur-priest, an Ubermount-style arcane heirophant, and a Spell-to-Power erudite. It was also fairly grounded in the world's flavor, since the DM had already established an order of martial artists and divine casters that worshiped evil gods of self-perfection and discovery by hybridizing creatures, grafting their members, awakening plants, and so forth.
This build idea, or a Symbiotic Creature in general, isn't the kind of thing you drop on a normal game, particularly if you're trying to get one by the DM and you're the kind of player who just copies builds you read about on a forum. I'd veto the player's idea unless he's able to make his character fit in well with the group and show that it won't overshadow anyone else, but from the description in the OP I doubt that's the case.