Smash Brothers 4 General

[cobaltstarfire]

Edit: Apparently it's been revealed that all of those moves Palutena sounded off in her trailer are special moves, and like the Miis she gets to pick between three for each slot. Pretty interesting. Speculation as to which go to which slot:

This has me wondering if all the characters have customizable special moves to pick from. I thought it was neat on the mii's but if a normal character like Palutena is also customizable maybe all of them will be.

[StabbityRabbit]

This has me wondering if all the characters have customizable special moves to pick from. I thought it was neat on the mii's but if a normal character like Palutena is also customizable maybe all of them will be.

Nintendo has already said that every character will have a custom moveset. I just don't know if they'll all have three moves per slot or not.

[cobaltstarfire]

I remember them saying that there would be customizability, I guess I just assumed it to be a special game mode or something.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

If you can customize your character's moveset, hopefully they have some default versions for quick play. Also, that'd be a really clever use of the WiiU pad: pick your moves in secret!

If it works like that, it'd lead to a really interesting meta-spin on the fighting. You'd have to spend the opening of the fight figuring out what your opponent has slotted, while you're trying to surprise them with what you have slotted.

[Zevox]

They've never elaborated on how the customizability will work. It's possible this is it, or it could be something they did just for Miis and Palutena. Miis because customizability is what they're all about, Palutena I'd presume because she's a goddess, and so they had a lot of ideas for moves for her, since magic is kinda flexible that way.

An aside, something I just noticed last night: Pac-Man's eyes are shaped like Pac-Men. It's both a kinda cool touch and kinda creepy.

[StabbityRabbit]

At the very least Mario, Miis, and Palutena will be customizable.

[Geno9999]

At the very least Mario, Miis, and Palutena will be customizable.

Everyone is customizable. When it was first shown off in the Smash Bros Direct, DK and Kirby alternative moves were shown.

[tonberrian]

But what are Palutena's standard moves? What will she use in online matches?

[Sith_Happens]

If it works like that, it'd lead to a really interesting meta-spin on the fighting. You'd have to spend the opening of the fight figuring out what your opponent has slotted, while you're trying to surprise them with what you have slotted.

Not to mention if tournaments end up deciding to let people switch move sets between rounds of a best-two-out-of-three. Go go gadget sideboarding!

[Mando Knight]

Customizability can be disabled locally, too, by the looks of it.

We'll see if Mii Fighters and Palutena come with "standard" forms for no-customization play (though they confirmed that "With Anyone" online play will disable the Mii Fighter).

[Zevox]

Customizability can be disabled locally, too, by the looks of it.

We'll see if Mii Fighters and Palutena come with "standard" forms for no-customization play (though they confirmed that "With Anyone" online play will disable the Mii Fighter).

As in not allow you to play the character entirely? That's incredibly stupid. And here I was hoping Nintendo would do better with the online than in Brawl, but between keeping the "With Friends" vs "With Anyone" distinction and that, it's sounding like they haven't learned a damn thing.

[cobaltstarfire]

It is rather disappointing to hear those sorts of things will be disabled online and such.

I can understand disabling special items at least, but customization and mii's should be allowable online and such. I'm going to guess the mii's being disallowed is to prevent lude mii's online, Nintendo has always been hyper sensitive to that sort of thing I guess because they have built such a strong reputation as a family/kid friendly company specifically.

[Zevox]

It is rather disappointing to hear those sorts of things will be disabled online and such.

I can understand disabling special items at least, but customization and mii's should be allowable online and such. I'm going to guess the mii's being disallowed is to prevent lude mii's online, Nintendo has always been hyper sensitive to that sort of thing I guess because they have built such a strong reputation as a family/kid friendly company specifically.

It's possible to make "lewd" Miis?

[Mando Knight]

It's possible to make "lewd" Miis?

...Have you seen some of the Miis out there? As the potential for creativity increases, the probability that someone will misuse it for obscenities approaches unity.

[Zevox]

...Have you seen some of the Miis out there?

No, I haven't. But from the (admittedly extremely small) amount of time I spent on making my Mii, I don't recall anything that could be used in such a fashion. And given this is Nintendo, I wouldn't expect there to be such options.

[Mando Knight]

Well, in short, there's two kinds of Miis: those that are made to look like normal-ish people, and those that use pieces in different positions and colors to turn the Mii's face into their canvas. The obscene ones are in the latter category.

(Of course, there's those that are kinda both: using the features to make various characters, like Dilbert or Homer Simpson...)

[TheSummoner]

Aren't Miis playable in Mario Kart?

Unless I'm mistaken about that, I really can't see why it makes sense to bar them from Smash Bros.

[StabbityRabbit]

So it looks like DK's final smash is still awful.

[Devixer]

Aren't Miis playable in Mario Kart?

Unless I'm mistaken about that, I really can't see why it makes sense to bar them from Smash Bros.

Yeah, they're playable in Mario Kart, I think they have been since the Wii version.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

No, I haven't. But from the (admittedly extremely small) amount of time I spent on making my Mii, I don't recall anything that could be used in such a fashion. And given this is Nintendo, I wouldn't expect there to be such options.

I've seen some remarkably inventive Miis out there. One of them had the Olympic Rings on their face, instead of a normal face. Another one looked like Batman in the mask. Another one had a ninja with swords for a face. I've seen a Mii with the Mona Lisa for a face.

EDIT: Found a lot of 'em here

[Zevox]

I've seen some remarkably inventive Miis out there. One of them had the Olympic Rings on their face, instead of a normal face. Another one looked like Batman in the mask. Another one had a ninja with swords for a face. I've seen a Mii with the Mona Lisa for a face.

EDIT: Found a lot of 'em here

...huh. Did not know such things were possible.

Still, if as others have said they've already enabled Miis for online play in other games, I see no excuse here. It's just plain a stupid restriction, no matter their excuse. Much like the entire "With Friends" vs "With Anyone" thing to begin with.

[Mando Knight]

So it looks like DK's final smash is still awful.

They just showed it in the Treehouse, and it looks a lot more usable: there's now a visual representation of the timing, in the form of the Donkey Konga note highway. Once you get the rhythm down, the bongos are really strong.

[Zevox]

Hm, so, interesting thing I'm hearing. Apparently, people who have played the game at the Best Buy demos are saying that Pit does not have a black alternate color scheme like he did in Brawl. Which is very curious, since that would make him look like Dark Pit, and should therefore be an obvious choice.

But put that together with the ending of Palutena's trailer, and it begs the question: could Dark Pit be a newcomer?

I honestly wouldn't have expected it, but that combination of facts does make it seem like a possibility. And honestly, I might even like it. He could use a variety of the weapons from Kid Icarus: Uprising, which would make for an awesome moveset that would be so different from Pit's that nobody could call him a clone.

[TheSummoner]

I really doubt it.

The simpler explanation is they just haven't finished it yet or didn't include it in the demo version for whatever reason. It's possible Dark Pit will have some additional effects beyond being a simple color swap that would make that skin take more time, and cosmetic stuff is probably pretty low on their list of priorities at the moment.

[cobaltstarfire]

Yeah, they're playable in Mario Kart, I think they have been since the Wii version.

That is true, I have a literal army of Mii's living on my Wii, and they're all from playing Mario Kart online. I'd forgotten about that...

So I'm really stumped on why no Mii's in smash online, it's about the only (good) reason I can think of that they would be banned anyway. Maybe there's some sort of weird technical reason for it.

Which is a pity cause I actually am a little bit interested in the Mii fighters, I didn't think I would be but the longer I saw them the more intrigued I got.

I'll just cross my fingers that Yoshi will be a little bit more like his melee/ssb versions, Brawl yoshi always handled a little oddly to me.

[Zevox]

I really doubt it.

The simpler explanation is they just haven't finished it yet or didn't include it in the demo version for whatever reason. It's possible Dark Pit will have some additional effects beyond being a simple color swap that would make that skin take more time, and cosmetic stuff is probably pretty low on their list of priorities at the moment.

What additional effects? Even in Uprising, he's literally just a pallet swap of Pit. Like Daisy and Peach, there's nothing more that needs to be done unless he's a separate character.

[Fargazer]

I'm pretty excited about the Palutena reveal. I'm glad to know at least some of the speculation was correct!

What additional effects? Even in Uprising, he's literally just a pallet swap of Pit. Like Daisy and Peach, there's nothing more that needs to be done unless he's a separate character.

Alternatively, Dark Pit could be an assist trophy, in which case they might not make the pallet swap available for Pit in order to avoid confusion.

[Zevox]

Alternatively, Dark Pit could be an assist trophy, in which case they might not make the pallet swap available for Pit in order to avoid confusion.

Hm, maybe. Not sure how important they'd consider that to be, but I suppose it's possible. Still, the way they have him show up for a brief, seemingly-meaningless cameo at the end of Palutena's trailer was odd, and the combination of that and the disappearance of Pit's black alt is definitely suspicious.

[AtlanteanTroll]

How many additional characters do you think will make it into the game? I'm banking on at least four more newcomers and two more oldies, but that would only be 39 total which just makes it equal in roster size to Brawl...

[Zevox]

How many additional characters do you think will make it into the game? I'm banking on at least four more newcomers and two more oldies, but that would only be 39 total which just makes it equal in roster size to Brawl...

I'd expect most of the old cast are still in. I mean hell, they didn't even cut Toon Link. And they'd have to be idiots to remove characters like Captain Falcon, Ness, Ganondorf, or Wario, all of whom are still unannounced. Plus Game & Watch showed up at the end of Pac-Man's trailer. Really, the only veterans I'd worry about are Squirtle and Ivysaur (since transformations are gone and Charizard was announced without them) and Snake. Maybe Lucas and one of the Star Fox characters, though with a new Star Fox game announced I'm now less worried about them.

For newcomers, well as I said, the big leak is looking pretty strong after yesterday, and if that's right there's at least three more: Chrom from Fire Emblem, Shulk from Xenoblade, and the Chorus Men from Rythm Heaven. But that is "at least," as the leak does not claim to be a complete list - and indeed did not include Rosalina (although only one of the leak's two parts had been posted when she was announced, too).