THE most powerful monster?

[Assassinfox]

Would've linked to this earlier, but the site was down.

BEHOLD!

http://community.dicefreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=385

[Illiterate Scribe]

Oh dear. Still, I think that CR209 is unwarranted. I think that, a 209th level party could fill the multiverse, or at least Sigil, with a large enough generic spell of 'Everything Dies' (Near Infinite D20 damage, fort to half) to destroy her. She's just a very, very hard monster. With blades. She doesn't have the 'protection from everything' wielded by nastier things such as the Ikea Tarrasque, the Cheater of Mystra, that kobold, or even worse, Monty (feel like rebuilding the timeline so that nothing bad can possibly happen to you?).

[Assassinfox]

I recognize those other ones, but who's Monty?

And that spell the way you described it wouldn't kill her, thanks to regeneration. Unless I'm missing something. o.O

[Illiterate Scribe]

Monty was a creation, later subsumed into Pun-Pun, who used a drilbu of temporal regression, and Far Realms planar traits to move back and forth through time, 'scrubbing it' to prevent bad stuff happening. There are forty pages of discussion on this at the WotC Char-Op boards; it has been defeated, but to do it requires a large amount of Annuli, Time Stops, and Iron Heart Surges.

[lumberofdabeast]

How come no one refers to Pun-Pun by his true name? Is he like Voldemort?

EDIT: You know, I really should finish reading a topic before posting.

[Illiterate Scribe]

Godwin's law. Pun-Pun named, thread over.

EDIT: on topic, I've never liked those monsters with low CRs, but absolute immunity to things. Will o'the Wisp was discussed here recently. CR 4, but immune to all magic save magic missile? What?

[Jack Mann]

Godwin's law, even applied to Pun-Pun, does not mean that a given thread is over. Simply that, if the discussion goes on long enough, Pun-Pun's name will come up. No more, no less.

[turtleant120]

Put half red dragon on a Tarrasque, dye him green and TADA!

ITS GODZILLA!!!

Somebody should stat out Pun-Pun.

[Jack Mann]

Pun-Pun is statted out. That's the point.

[turtleant120]

I ment create the stat block for him.
Sorry for the confusion.

[kamikasei]

Godwin's law, even applied to Pun-Pun, does not mean that a given thread is over. Simply that, if the discussion goes on long enough, Pun-Pun's name will come up. No more, no less.

Godwin's law only as applied to Pun-Pun means that. The original Godwin's law does state that, once someone brings up the Nazis to support their side of an argument, the argument is over and that person has automatically lost.

However, it also states that trying to do this deliberately to end a troublesome discussion doesn't work. Neither of these clauses apply to Pun-Pun, though.

[Jack Mann]

No. That is not Godwin's Law. The precise wording, as originally proposed by Mike Godwin, is "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." Nothing about a thread being over, or the person having lost. That would be an rather stupid rule, since there are times in which a comparison to the Nazis or Hitler is appropriate, despite the frequent misuse.

[NullAshton]

I was bored one day, really REALLY bored, and wrote the stats for Chuck Norris. CR of infinity.

Incidentally enough, Monty is completely immune to Pun Pun. It would be impossible for Pun Pun to affect his life in any negative way as long as the loop is set into place. No matter what Pun Pun tries, he will always do something such as roll natural 1s.

[kamikasei]

No. That is not Godwin's Law. The precise wording, as originally proposed by Mike Godwin, is "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." Nothing about a thread being over, or the person having lost. That would be an rather stupid rule, since there are times in which a comparison to the Nazis or Hitler is appropriate, despite the frequent misuse.

Hmm, you're right. The additions I mentioned are apparently corollaries.

It seems my memory of the Jargon File has betrayed me.

[Brettoe]

The most powerful monster in DnD? The DM of course.

That's so true! someone could throw a blunt seashell and you'd die!

[marjan]

Put half red dragon on a Tarrasque, dye him green and TADA!

ITS GODZILLA!!!

Wouldn't it be easier with half green dragon. I mean where do you think you will find that much green dye.

[Jack Mann]

And really, Pun-Pun is actually reasonable to bring up, if only as an aside, since he is, arguably, the most powerful creature in D&D, challenged only by other powerbuilds.

[turtleant120]

Wouldn't it be easier with half green dragon. I mean where do you think you will find that much green dye.

But then he wouldn't breathe fire.

[Innis Cabal]

is the flying weapon equiped big T of course. Magic particle cannons, regen, fly of perfect....or the DM

[Sciath]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Undead Tarrasque? A Tarrasque takes purely non-lethal damage due to its ungodly hide, undead are immune to non-lethal damage. Only feasible way of killing it I can see is to Mage-hand+Sovereign glue to slap an open bag of holding to its neck, then tie a portable hole around an arrow shaft and fire it into the bag.

I know it may not be the most ridiculous monster, but i think it has the most points for its pure simplicity. I mean, take a monster from MM I and add a single, vanilla 3.5 template and you have a behemoth that is flat-out immune to damage.

[The Glyphstone]

the most powerful monster is Roland St. Jude, CR [aleph]+1, who will be along to lock this thread shortly.


(Incidentally....there is no "Undead' template in 3.5. Specific templates turn creatures into undead, but the Tarrasque doesn't qualify for any of them...and being undead strips it of Regeneration anyways).

[Roland St. Jude]

the most powerful monster is Roland St. Jude, CR [aleph]+1, who will be along to lock this thread shortly.

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