New OOTS products from CafePress
New OOTS t-shirts, ornaments, mugs, bags, and more
Results 1 to 17 of 17
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    ElfPirate

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Southeast
    Gender
    Male

    Default First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Coming from 3.5, what differences are likely to bite me on the derrierre?

    Thanks!
    Hmm, seem to have left the last letter out of my name I wonder if I can change that somehow...

    Vestige by Marlowe http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...2&postcount=70

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Dwarf in the Playground
     
    the clumsy bard's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2010

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Pathfinder rewards taking the same class for longer many base class abilities are level dependent or require a certain level to have access to.

    Also here
    Last edited by the clumsy bard; 2014-10-01 at 01:41 PM.

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    EisenKreutzer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Trondheim, Norway
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Skill ranks work differently, for one.
    Also, CMB and CMD are the biggest difference. Read up on the Combat Maneuvers, they are very useful.
    Last edited by EisenKreutzer; 2014-10-01 at 01:28 PM.
    Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.
    - G. K. Chesterton

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel View Post
    Are you some sort of Wizard?
    This is Æl-Ceald, an ice-age fantasy campaign setting. Updated!

    Avatar by gurgleflep!

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    SolithKnightGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2011

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Are you used to 3.5 character optimization?
    If so, forget pretty much everything you learned. Most tried-and-proved 3.5 concepts don't work anymore in PF, or at least not very well.

    Some key differences:
    - in 3.5, it's easy to boost your damage to absurd heights, but attack bonus is rather hard to boost. In PF, you get attack bonuses by the truckload, but have hardly any meaningful way to convert them to damage.
    - in 3.5, you can target opponents with Special Attacks that you know they are weak against. In PF, everything goes against the same CMD. Which means that many maneuvers will simply not work against stuff they used to.
    Let me give you a brief rundown of an average Post-3E Era fight: You attack an enemy and start kicking his shins. He then starts kicking your shins, then you take it in turns kicking until one of you falls over. It basically comes down to who started the battle with the biggest boot, and the only strategy involved is realizing when things have gone tits up and legging it.

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Snowbluff's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2011

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    You should play a caster.
    Avatar of Rudisplork Avatar of PC-dom and Slayer of the Internet. Extended sig
    GitP Regulars as: Vestiges Spells Weapons Races Deities Feats Soulmelds/Veils
    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbluff View Post
    All gaming systems should be terribly flawed and exploitable if you want everyone to be happy with them. This allows for a wide variety of power levels for games for different levels of players.
    I dub this the Snowbluff Axiom.

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    MonkGuy

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Saph wrote an excellent guide to the differences between 3.5 and PF, which can be found here. It is a little dated (last updated in 2010*), so it doesn't include some of the later additions like traits, Words of Power or Downtime. That said, it's a great starting point.
    Last edited by Kudaku; 2014-10-01 at 05:46 PM. Reason: Changed the year (twice!) since I had a dumb moment.

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Snowbluff's Avatar

    Join Date
    Sep 2011

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Wait, last update in 2014? Weren't traits before that?
    Avatar of Rudisplork Avatar of PC-dom and Slayer of the Internet. Extended sig
    GitP Regulars as: Vestiges Spells Weapons Races Deities Feats Soulmelds/Veils
    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbluff View Post
    All gaming systems should be terribly flawed and exploitable if you want everyone to be happy with them. This allows for a wide variety of power levels for games for different levels of players.
    I dub this the Snowbluff Axiom.

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    EisenKreutzer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Trondheim, Norway
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    I'm sure he ment 2010.
    Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.
    - G. K. Chesterton

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel View Post
    Are you some sort of Wizard?
    This is Æl-Ceald, an ice-age fantasy campaign setting. Updated!

    Avatar by gurgleflep!

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    MonkGuy

    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    That's what I get for juggling dates in my head - I was trying to remember when the various books were released while listing my examples. Thanks for catching the mistake, my post has been edited.

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Spore's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Germany
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlek Flamehai View Post
    Coming from 3.5, what differences are likely to bite me on the derrierre?

    Thanks!
    Also don't underestimate the reworked Paladin, Barbarian and the new Gunslinger. However DO underestimate Rogues, Fighters, Monks and Cavaliers. Paizo managed to kick rogues even harder than WotC (due to non class skills not costing double but just not receiving a typeless +3 bonus).

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    ElfPirate

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Southeast
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    At the moment I am looking at a Shadow Patron Sylph Witch.... But, as I only have the Pathfinder SRD and the Pathfinder Hero Forge available at the moment, trying to pick a region/trait/affinity is a shot-in-the-dark. Anyone have a good suggestion?
    Hmm, seem to have left the last letter out of my name I wonder if I can change that somehow...

    Vestige by Marlowe http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...2&postcount=70

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Orc in the Playground
     
    PirateGuy

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Ponyville
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlek Flamehai View Post
    At the moment I am looking at a Shadow Patron Sylph Witch.... But, as I only have the Pathfinder SRD and the Pathfinder Hero Forge available at the moment, trying to pick a region/trait/affinity is a shot-in-the-dark. Anyone have a good suggestion?
    I find this VERY useful to avoid having to shoot in the dark:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...dhA/edit?pli=1
    -Dyllan

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    deuxhero's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Fl

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    There are a bunch of particularlly niche traits that really befit certain builds or classes (such as Fate's Favored for anything that gets luck bonuses and Magical Knack for Paladin/Antipaladin and Ranger. Anything that has low wisdom and high charisma will love irrepressible) and maybe the odd combo (such as Blade of Mercy with the Enforcer feat) but past that most viable traits fall into the following

    +2 initiative (loads of them out there)
    Traits that change the attribute of something, most often a skill, either entirely or for the most important uses. Examples include Student of Philosophy, Clever Wordplay, Bruising Intellect and Pragmatic Activator which move charisma based skills to intelligence, Wisdom of the Flesh (makes any physical stats skill based on Wisdom and make it a class skill), Planar Savant (charisma to knowledge planes)
    +1/+1 and class skill (boring but +4 on a skill is often worth it. At least one for every skill except Fly)

    For a Witch +2 initiative and Student of Philosophy for most uses of Charisma/Bluff or Pragmatic Activator/Clever Wordplay for UMD are good choices.

    You may want to look at this witch handbook
    http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=480.0

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    Barstro's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2007

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    There are two other Witch guides out there that give other advice. Check the Guide to Guides for them.

    I've had a lot of luck with my Witch taking a trait to make Perception a class trait, and an Initiative trait is always useful
    Avatar of Vlad Taltos and Loiosh by Bradakhan

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    ElfPirate

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Southeast
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    I am thinking Valashmai Veteran (perception) and Finding Haleen.
    Last edited by Tarlek Flamehai; 2014-10-02 at 05:32 PM. Reason: spelling
    Hmm, seem to have left the last letter out of my name I wonder if I can change that somehow...

    Vestige by Marlowe http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...2&postcount=70

  16. - Top - End - #16
    Troll in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    New Hampshire
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowbluff View Post
    You should play a caster.
    How is that different from 3.5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlek Flamehai View Post
    At the moment I am looking at a Shadow Patron Sylph Witch.... But, as I only have the Pathfinder SRD and the Pathfinder Hero Forge available at the moment, trying to pick a region/trait/affinity is a shot-in-the-dark. Anyone have a good suggestion?
    Ah, Shadow Patron is a good choice. The shadow magics will help diversify what is a good spell list but lacking in some of the really nice spells.

    It's already been said, but I will summarize: Multiclassing=bad (generall). Instead check out traits and archetypes for customizing your character. Traits are great for getting class skills that are otherwise not available to your class. PF nerfed a bunch of potential exploits while missing a few glaring ones. Meanwhile, it made a lot of things easier or more accessible. Cantrips don't get used up when you cast them. Staves can be recharged pretty easily. You can craft a lot of magic items that your class wouldn't be able to in 3.5. Things like that.

    I've grown to prefer it to 3.5.
    If you cast Dispel Magic on my Gust of Wind, does that mean you're disgusting?

    In real estate, they say it's all about location, location, location. In D&D I say it's about action economy, action economy, action economy.

    Crystal Mage -- a homebrewed arcane tradition

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    deuxhero's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Fl

    Default Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlek Flamehai View Post
    Finding Haleen.
    That one is not really a trait, 3.5 thing that predates traits (and PF favored class system).

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •