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2014-10-01, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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First PF character, what should I beware of?
Coming from 3.5, what differences are likely to bite me on the derrierre?
Thanks!Hmm, seem to have left the last letter out of my name I wonder if I can change that somehow...
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2014-10-01, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
Pathfinder rewards taking the same class for longer many base class abilities are level dependent or require a certain level to have access to.
Also hereLast edited by the clumsy bard; 2014-10-01 at 01:41 PM.
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2014-10-01, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
Skill ranks work differently, for one.
Also, CMB and CMD are the biggest difference. Read up on the Combat Maneuvers, they are very useful.Last edited by EisenKreutzer; 2014-10-01 at 01:28 PM.
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2014-10-01, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
Are you used to 3.5 character optimization?
If so, forget pretty much everything you learned. Most tried-and-proved 3.5 concepts don't work anymore in PF, or at least not very well.
Some key differences:
- in 3.5, it's easy to boost your damage to absurd heights, but attack bonus is rather hard to boost. In PF, you get attack bonuses by the truckload, but have hardly any meaningful way to convert them to damage.
- in 3.5, you can target opponents with Special Attacks that you know they are weak against. In PF, everything goes against the same CMD. Which means that many maneuvers will simply not work against stuff they used to.Let me give you a brief rundown of an average Post-3E Era fight: You attack an enemy and start kicking his shins. He then starts kicking your shins, then you take it in turns kicking until one of you falls over. It basically comes down to who started the battle with the biggest boot, and the only strategy involved is realizing when things have gone tits up and legging it.
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2014-10-01, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
You should play a caster.
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2014-10-01, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
Saph wrote an excellent guide to the differences between 3.5 and PF, which can be found here. It is a little dated (last updated in 2010*), so it doesn't include some of the later additions like traits, Words of Power or Downtime. That said, it's a great starting point.
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2014-10-01, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
Wait, last update in 2014? Weren't traits before that?
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2014-10-01, 05:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
I'm sure he ment 2010.
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2014-10-01, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
That's what I get for juggling dates in my head - I was trying to remember when the various books were released while listing my examples. Thanks for catching the mistake, my post has been edited.
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2014-10-01, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
Also don't underestimate the reworked Paladin, Barbarian and the new Gunslinger. However DO underestimate Rogues, Fighters, Monks and Cavaliers. Paizo managed to kick rogues even harder than WotC (due to non class skills not costing double but just not receiving a typeless +3 bonus).
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2014-10-01, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
At the moment I am looking at a Shadow Patron Sylph Witch.... But, as I only have the Pathfinder SRD and the Pathfinder Hero Forge available at the moment, trying to pick a region/trait/affinity is a shot-in-the-dark. Anyone have a good suggestion?
Hmm, seem to have left the last letter out of my name I wonder if I can change that somehow...
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2014-10-01, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
I find this VERY useful to avoid having to shoot in the dark:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...dhA/edit?pli=1-Dyllan
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2014-10-02, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
There are a bunch of particularlly niche traits that really befit certain builds or classes (such as Fate's Favored for anything that gets luck bonuses and Magical Knack for Paladin/Antipaladin and Ranger. Anything that has low wisdom and high charisma will love irrepressible) and maybe the odd combo (such as Blade of Mercy with the Enforcer feat) but past that most viable traits fall into the following
+2 initiative (loads of them out there)
Traits that change the attribute of something, most often a skill, either entirely or for the most important uses. Examples include Student of Philosophy, Clever Wordplay, Bruising Intellect and Pragmatic Activator which move charisma based skills to intelligence, Wisdom of the Flesh (makes any physical stats skill based on Wisdom and make it a class skill), Planar Savant (charisma to knowledge planes)
+1/+1 and class skill (boring but +4 on a skill is often worth it. At least one for every skill except Fly)
For a Witch +2 initiative and Student of Philosophy for most uses of Charisma/Bluff or Pragmatic Activator/Clever Wordplay for UMD are good choices.
You may want to look at this witch handbook
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=480.0
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2014-10-02, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
There are two other Witch guides out there that give other advice. Check the Guide to Guides for them.
I've had a lot of luck with my Witch taking a trait to make Perception a class trait, and an Initiative trait is always usefulAvatar of Vlad Taltos and Loiosh by Bradakhan
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2014-10-02, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
I am thinking Valashmai Veteran (perception) and Finding Haleen.
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Hmm, seem to have left the last letter out of my name I wonder if I can change that somehow...
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2014-10-02, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?
How is that different from 3.5?
Ah, Shadow Patron is a good choice. The shadow magics will help diversify what is a good spell list but lacking in some of the really nice spells.
It's already been said, but I will summarize: Multiclassing=bad (generall). Instead check out traits and archetypes for customizing your character. Traits are great for getting class skills that are otherwise not available to your class. PF nerfed a bunch of potential exploits while missing a few glaring ones. Meanwhile, it made a lot of things easier or more accessible. Cantrips don't get used up when you cast them. Staves can be recharged pretty easily. You can craft a lot of magic items that your class wouldn't be able to in 3.5. Things like that.
I've grown to prefer it to 3.5.If you cast Dispel Magic on my Gust of Wind, does that mean you're disgusting?
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2014-10-04, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First PF character, what should I beware of?