The Flash on CW

[TheEmerged]

Since I haven't watched Arrow before...

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...has Simon Stagg, AKA Metamorpho's father-in-law, been established already?

So, typed that mid-episode. Well, okay then...

[Dragonexx]

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So i might have missed it, but does anyone know what they did with all of Multiplex's extra bodies?

Otherwise, a good episode.

[Ravian]

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So i might have missed it, but does anyone know what they did with all of Multiplex's extra bodies?

Otherwise, a good episode.

Huh I forgot about that, there was no real implication that they would just go away upon his death. I suppose they would just go inert upon his death, considering that they wouldn't get any more signals from the prime. I suppose it was a busy day at the morgue. (though that would implicate that metahumans wouldn't remain a secret any more, if a bunch of clones suddenly showed up at.) Maybe Star Labs just quietly removed all the extra corpses thanks to their relation with Chief West.

[grolim]

What do you think they put in Barry's energy bars? Meta-human making energy infused soylent green.

[Antonok]

What do you think they put in Barry's energy bars? Meta-human making energy infused soylent green.

nuts, potatoes, coconut milk. High calorie/high carb, probably taste nasty as hell.

Do wonder what the exact calorie amount he'd have to consume to keep stable is though.

[BWR]

What do you think they put in Barry's energy bars? Meta-human making energy infused soylent green.

Soylent brown wouldn't surprise me.
Second episode was pretty decent. I'm getting a bit tired of the teen soap opera stuff Flash and Arrow throw out but I can't really complain much about the superhero stuff. Except maybe how there are so many people who know the secret identity right off the bat now. Call me traditionalist but I would have preferred a bit fewer, even if I can understand the benefit of having an Oracle-wannabe at a computer while you're out doing stuff.

[AnonymousX]

Soylent brown wouldn't surprise me.
Second episode was pretty decent. I'm getting a bit tired of the teen soap opera stuff Flash and Arrow throw out but I can't really complain much about the superhero stuff. Except maybe how there are so many people who know the secret identity right off the bat now. Call me traditionalist but I would have preferred a bit fewer, even if I can understand the benefit of having an Oracle-wannabe at a computer while you're out doing stuff.

*sigh* Yes! Two episodes in and I'm already bored of the pining/love triangle combo that apparently must be in every cw show. Just give dude someone else until you're ready to let them be together. Or just let him move on. It really doesn't matter to me as long as the pining stuff stops. It's already icky enough that they keep referring to her as a pseudo sister and about how he slept two doors down or whatever from her. I also agree about the secret identity stuff. Arrow had a bunch of people find out in the first season alone didn't it? I hope this doesn't become a thing on this show. I don't even get why he keeps taking his cowl off anyway in this episode.

But yeah despite that I'm really enjoying how fun and light this show is. I especially loved the opening and it poking fun at arrows's little beginning vo. And when Cisco and Barry got caught superheroing by Caitlin and tried to play it off. One thing I didn't get though was Barry saying he tried to save Danton, when he actually was just watching him fall lol. He couldn't have zipped to the outside of the building and caught him?

[TheEmerged]

nuts, potatoes, coconut milk. High calorie/high carb, probably taste nasty as hell.

Do wonder what the exact calorie amount he'd have to consume to keep stable is though.

Oh no someone didn't - of all times for fail my Will roll...

Well, XKCD\What If? haven't covered it.

One calorie counter tool I found said that to power someone weighing ~175 running for two hours at 14 MPH (the highest the tool would go) would burn 3834 calories. An adult male should be getting about 2550 calories a day per a cursory web search. So pending me finding a way to determine more ridiculous calorie burns, I'd say it easily goes over what a person would eat in a day or three.

[grolim]

One thing I didn't get though was Barry saying he tried to save Danton, when he actually was just watching him fall lol. He couldn't have zipped to the outside of the building and caught him?

And get flattened by him. Second ep in so he does not have the cool powers like making a vortex to slow falling, or trying to run up and down the side of the building.

[AnonymousX]

And get flattened by him. Second ep in so he does not have the cool powers like making a vortex to slow falling, or trying to run up and down the side of the building.

I didn't mean run down the side of the building though. I meant take the stairs and actually get there before he hits the ground and save him?

[Gray Mage]

I didn't mean run down the side of the building though. I meant take the stairs and actually get there before he hits the ground and save him?

And then die all the same and probably break Barry's arms. From that height, falling on a pool would probably kill him.

[Ravian]

I didn't mean run down the side of the building though. I meant take the stairs and actually get there before he hits the ground and save him?

Yeah it's a sad fact that a lot of that swooping in an resucing the falling victim in comic books is severely innacurate. (As spidey himself discovered...). Falling from a tall building is typically lethal, landing on a human being instead of concrete is generally only going to add one to the death toll rather than substract from it. Flash generally only gets away with it through specialized use of his speed, like a vortex. And as of yet Barry hasn't figured much beyond move fast and stop tornadoes. (admittedly an impressive feat in of itself). I don't think he's even tried water-running yet.

Still we'll see if they ever get to some of the really crazy things they've done with super-speed. Wall and Water-running are child's play, and given the themes at play we can sort of figure time travel via speed force will enter in at some point. Wonder if they'll bring in phasing through solid objects via vibration at some point.

[AnonymousX]

And then die all the same and probably break Barry's arms. From that height, falling on a pool would probably kill him.

What about moving his arms fast enough and yanking him back inside? There must have been something he could do besides watch the guy fall.

[AnonymousX]

Yeah it's a sad fact that a lot of that swooping in an resucing the falling victim in comic books is severely innacurate. (As spidey himself discovered...). Falling from a tall building is typically lethal, landing on a human being instead of concrete is generally only going to add one to the death toll rather than substract from it. Flash generally only gets away with it through specialized use of his speed, like a vortex. And as of yet Barry hasn't figured much beyond move fast and stop tornadoes. (admittedly an impressive feat in of itself). I don't think he's even tried water-running yet.

Still we'll see if they ever get to some of the really crazy things they've done with super-speed. Wall and Water-running are child's play, and given the themes at play we can sort of figure time travel via speed force will enter in at some point. Wonder if they'll bring in phasing through solid objects via vibration at some point.

@Bold: Too soon. Gwen Stacey was awesome!

But yeah, I didn't really apply real world stuff to my question which is why I thought he could have caught him. But I get what you're saying. I just thought he could have tried something, anything, other than watching him fall. But I can't wait to see Barry running on water and doing the phasing through objects trick. From what I remember they showed the phasing through objects trick in the 90's Flash, when he got hit by those drugs and vibrated so fast he went through the wall.

[Ravian]

@Bold: Too soon. Gwen Stacey was awesome!

She's been dead since the 70s... though she was indeed awesome.

[AnonymousX]

She's been dead since the 70s... though she was indeed awesome.

I thought you was referring to Gwen recently just dying in the Amazing Spider-man series. Which is why I had said too soon.

[Flickerdart]

Does it bug anyone else how inconsistent the Flash's speed is? One moment he's going 350 miles an hour (kind of mild - though he admits as much), the next he can go on a monologue between heartbeats, and later still he's slow enough to be boxed in by six guys. I realize that the whole "time stands still" special effect is cool, and that if he could actually fight that fast then he would wreck every opponent he faced, but at least lip service to consistency would be nice.

And the whole Multiplex thing was also dumb - sure, a person who can spawn hundreds of clones and replace fallen soldiers with new ones would be impressive, but at first he was literally just six people and everyone was freaking out about how powerful he was.

[BWR]

Does it bug anyone else how inconsistent the Flash's speed is?

Yes. It bugs me in the portrayal of just about every speedster ever. They are so fast they really should only be stopped by things they literally cannot move. Everything else they should be able to work around, even if it means running across town, picking up a sledge hammer and running back and whacking something to pieces.

[Flickerdart]

You could conceivably have speedsters who aren't that fast. Someone who can move quickly enough to duck around punches and dodge when a gun's pointed at him but before the shooter can pull the trigger would still be a legitimate superhero, but they wouldn't be invincible by any measure.

[BWR]

You could conceivably have speedsters who aren't that fast. Someone who can move quickly enough to duck around punches and dodge when a gun's pointed at him but before the shooter can pull the trigger would still be a legitimate superhero, but they wouldn't be invincible by any measure.

Sure, but how often is that the case? Mostly it's a bunch of inconsistently speeded people who can move ridiculously fast except when facing people who should pose no threat, simply because the writers don't think things through. To a certain extent you just have to ignore it and carry on but it would be nice if some writers tried to think things through.

[estradling]

Sure, but how often is that the case? Mostly it's a bunch of inconsistently speeded people who can move ridiculously fast except when facing people who should pose no threat, simply because the writers don't think things through. To a certain extent you just have to ignore it and carry on but it would be nice if some writers tried to think things through.

It might be poor storytelling... But there is also another options with inexperienced speedsters which Berry is right now. That is they have to choose to act. Fear, confusion, being mentally stunned and all that type of stuff lock him down until he overcomes it.

The show has been very clear that Berry is not a good fighter and he needs confidence to win. So when Multiplex got him and beat him up I could see that as Berry being afraid and turtling instead of running. Which ends poorly for him. In fact during that I was yelling at the TV screen "Your faster then that get up and run." Which he did.. eventually.

It could be good if they show him growing out of the fear paralyzing him. The question is... will he? After he gets some experience? If it still happens then it could very well be poor writing

[Kitten Champion]

I don't have much to say about the show. It's pretty trite. Really reminds me of late Smallville. It's mostly harmless though and I think fills a genuine niche on television. Maybe they'll get better at writing as it goes on, I don't think I can watch this much longer if its this same cookie-cutter programming.

Honestly, they'd get serious bonus points from me if they stopped writing the Star Lab scientist/technician woman as an obnoxious exposition machine.

Yes. It bugs me in the portrayal of just about every speedster ever. They are so fast they really should only be stopped by things they literally cannot move. Everything else they should be able to work around, even if it means running across town, picking up a sledge hammer and running back and whacking something to pieces.

He was going so fast as to be imperceptible, with him giving an entire monologue in just a few milliseconds... but he has trouble with what is just a bunch of mundane guys? At this point he should be like Quicksilver from Days of Future Past, merrily going about poking people to unconsciousness.

I don't really care about his powers, I mean, not really. It just gives me the vibe that the writers are just going to do whatever they want regardless of the sense it makes, especially as the series goes on, since it's comic books. I'd just like them to try, a little.

[Jayngfet]

Keep in mind he's been on the job for like two weeks by this point. A speedforce master he is not.

[Foeofthelance]

Simpler answer, I think, is that whatever field that allows him to grab a person trapped in a fire while going mach 2 without turning them into chunky salsa applies to the villains as well. He gets close enough, the field extends out to them, giving them the chance to strike back. The longer he stays in the immediate area, the more opportunity they have. If he just does a run by, you get the "exploding crowd" shot as they snap in out of the field too quick to take advantage. If he hangs out to try and punch them into submission, then they can punch back.

[Lord Vukodlak]

Huh I forgot about that, there was no real implication that they would just go away upon his death. I suppose they would just go inert upon his death, considering that they wouldn't get any more signals from the prime. I suppose it was a busy day at the morgue. (though that would implicate that metahumans wouldn't remain a secret any more, if a bunch of clones suddenly showed up at.) Maybe Star Labs just quietly removed all the extra corpses thanks to their relation with Chief West.

Or his consciousness will transfer to one of the surviving clones so they can have a reoccurring villain. Assuming he didn't pull a last minute body swap to begin with.

[AnonymousX]

I don't think they thought much of that scene with Iris beyond it being a "cool way for Barry to tell Iris how he feels without her hearing", and not really thinking that they've showed him moving way faster than he's been shown so far. Basically it was just for that shipping moment for those who ship Iris and Barry.

[tomandtish]

What do you think they put in Barry's energy bars? Meta-human making energy infused soylent green.

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How they'll get rid of all the extra bodies from episode 2....

[comicshorse]

I'd agree it all seems a bit bland so far but I'm really liking Dr Wells as the evil mentor so I'm prepared to give it longer to find its feet after all not every series can hit the ground running

[grolim]

I just worry that they are introducing Ronnie Raymond. Firestorm would be even worse than flash for a special effect appearance. Though I liked his original run.

[Drakeburn]

I've only seen the second episode, but to me it seems alright. I'd like to join the angry mob when it comes to the Flash's secret identity discovered too soon. When it comes to the Flash from the 1990's, at least Barry is actually trying to guard his secret identity. Only a Star Labs scientist, a Private Investigator (I think), and an old vigilante learned of his secret identity. While there was one episode where everybody sees that Barry is the Flash, it was a time travel episode, so I shouldn't let that bother me too much.

I can just go on and on about how the 1990's Flash series is better compared to the 2014 Flash.

Heck, if these two got into a fight, I'd be betting my money on the Flash from the 1990's series.

In my opinion, the 2014 series is okay, but the 1990 series was the best Flash series ever.