Bleach D20

[ultima22689]

Yeah don't take that away from the players, sure people can't decide what they look like but hell, this is roleplaying not real life. playing your own bleach character is pretty much the draw for this system, that includes visuals. Removing that control from the player can only hurt the enjoyment of the game, so why do it? it's not like we should be hitting for realism anyway. its bleach!

Indeed, its not RP if you don't define your character.

[Tobi_goodboy]

Indeed, its not RP if you don't define your character.

too true, but is there a way to... agh, it's hard to put into words correctly!
how would one go about applying animal templates to a character (for an adjuchas's form), or splicing said template into a pseudo-human form for an arrancar's release/ressurecion (there's an apostrophe somewhere in there >_>)?

[Athildur]

Adjuchas can have a form entirely animalistic, so if you want that get the template off the base animal, increase the stats, bab, saves etc accordingly, add in cero (at the very least, maybe some other abilities) and done.

First, since a resurreccion should be the same as a shikai, base it's power off that. Most likely all resurreccion powers are limited to increases in ability scores, skills, saves, speed and/or strength, and the addition of natural weapons and perhaps a few special attacks (for example, Halibel's ability to control water or King Barragan's abilities).

[Tobi_goodboy]

Adjuchas can have a form entirely animalistic, so if you want that get the template off the base animal, increase the stats, bab, saves etc accordingly, add in cero (at the very least, maybe some other abilities) and done.

First, since a resurreccion should be the same as a shikai, base it's power off that. Most likely all resurreccion powers are limited to increases in ability scores, skills, saves, speed and/or strength, and the addition of natural weapons and perhaps a few special attacks (for example, Halibel's ability to control water or King Barragan's abilities).

a boosted base animal template would work well for an adjuchas, but arrancar's abilities are sealed when in a normal state--leading me to believe that besides the boostie from becoming an arrancar, their template would shift back to their adjuchas/vasto lorde form's original when they activate their resurreccion (with increased stats, skills, etc. of course)...

this is based off the fact that resurreccion isnt a powerup (well it is, but you get the point >_>), its just them returning to their natural state

[ultima22689]

a boosted base animal template would work well for an adjuchas, but arrancar's abilities are sealed when in a normal state--leading me to believe that besides the boostie from becoming an arrancar, their template would shift back to their adjuchas/vasto lorde form's original when they activate their resurreccion (with increased stats, skills, etc. of course)...

this is based off the fact that resurreccion isnt a powerup (well it is, but you get the point >_>), its just them returning to their natural state

I think the rules in the book work fine along with the arrancar class, it just needs to be completed, ala BAB, saves, defense, etc, i'll post that class that was made so the talk of animal templates and such can end.

[ultima22689]

Download that file



http://www.2shared.com/file/6109782/...hat_class.html

[Athildur]

No offense, but that is one ****ty site. Can't even download it -.-

[Tobi_goodboy]

try using megaupload to set it up, then post the link for the file so we can get it.

i 'send' games to my friends this way and it works okay i guess--but this is slightly off-topic, sorry.

[ultima22689]

try using megaupload to set it up, then post the link for the file so we can get it.

i 'send' games to my friends this way and it works okay i guess--but this is slightly off-topic, sorry.

Here you go



http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z75KE0RG

[Tobi_goodboy]

Here you go



http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z75KE0RG

got it, thanks muchly

[Tobi_goodboy]

i wonder if anyone'll make character sheets for the various vaizards (shinji hirako and all of the rest)

[ultima22689]

i wonder if anyone'll make character sheets for the various vaizards (shinji hirako and all of the rest)

Maybe so, I might make them once D&V releases his version whenever that should be.

[Prplcheez]

Zanpakutou Types: Each zanpakutou has two types which governs its abilities. Here are the types that will be used as themes for creating ability sets for people to use when constructing their zanpakutou.

I'm a bit confused about a couple of things involving Zanpakuto types. Are the two types directly chosen by the player, or does the GM choose them?

To craft a Bankai base, count the number of shikai abilities you possess. Then, select one additional type (Summoning is the most common choice for this type. This applies even to those who have taken the Specialized Zanpakutou feat). Then, double the amount of shikai abilities you naturally possess

When doubling the amount of shikai abilities, does that double the actual QUANTITY, and you get to choose more, or does it just double the potency of each ability you currently possess?

Also, what are Augments?

[ultima22689]

I'm a bit confused about a couple of things involving Zanpakuto types. Are the two types directly chosen by the player, or does the GM choose them?



When doubling the amount of shikai abilities, does that double the actual QUANTITY, and you get to choose more, or does it just double the potency of each ability you currently possess?

Also, what are Augments?

Augments are for the human augment class, YOU choose what your zanapktou types are, takes a ton of the originality out of it otherwise.

When you gain bankai it doubles the AMOUNT of shikai abilities you have so if you have 14 shikai abilities you take your shikai abilities and then add 14 more abilities of your choice between shikai and bankai abilities.

[Tobi_goodboy]

Augments are for the human augment class, YOU choose what your zanapktou types are, takes a ton of the originality out of it otherwise.

When you gain bankai it doubles the AMOUNT of shikai abilities you have so if you have 14 shikai abilities you take your shikai abilities and then add 14 more abilities of your choice between shikai and bankai abilities.

im supposing the same applies for arrancar and their resureccion (sp?)

and what exactly would apply for resureccion dobla (or whatever its called; the 'second' release that ulquiorra used)?

also good to see you prpl

[ultima22689]

im supposing the same applies for arrancar and their resureccion (sp?)

and what exactly would apply for resureccion dobla (or whatever its called; the 'second' release that ulquiorra used)?

also good to see you prpl

Yeah, as for the second release I don't see any logical reason it wouldn't but I can't confirm that as the current available version doesn't have any of that stuff in it and I don't think anyone has seen D&V version so we just have to wait till he lets us have it.

[Glitch Override]

I was curious if anyone has dabbled with the idea of introducing talents, like D20 Mod, into the Bleach D20 system?

[Prplcheez]

im supposing the same applies for arrancar and their resureccion (sp?)

and what exactly would apply for resureccion dobla (or whatever its called; the 'second' release that ulquiorra used)?

also good to see you prpl

Hi tobi

Anyway, I think something custom would apply for the "Resurrección: Segunda Etapa",

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Being as only one Arrancar has/had the ability to use it. Similar rules would also probably apply to Ichigo's full hollow form.

EDIT: On further research, I've found that it is commonly "presumed as the Arrancar equivalent of a Shinigami's Bankai.", so it may well be fair under general Bankai rules.

[Tobi_goodboy]

Hi tobi

Anyway, I think something custom would apply for the "Resurrección: Segunda Etapa",

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Being as only one Arrancar has/had the ability to use it. Similar rules would also probably apply to Ichigo's full hollow form.

EDIT: On further research, I've found that it is commonly "presumed as the Arrancar equivalent of a Shinigami's Bankai.", so it may well be fair under general Bankai rules.

i note one problem with that: most arrancar's release is enough to stave off a shinigami's bankai at the least and surpass it at the most. Resurrección: Segunda Etapa is a very large step above that, so wouldnt it be better than bankai?

[ultima22689]

i note one problem with that: most arrancar's release is enough to stave off a shinigami's bankai at the least and surpass it at the most. Resurrección: Segunda Etapa is a very large step above that, so wouldnt it be better than bankai?

In game mechanics that actually isn't true.

[Prplcheez]

i note one problem with that: most arrancar's release is enough to stave off a shinigami's bankai at the least and surpass it at the most. Resurrección: Segunda Etapa is a very large step above that, so wouldnt it be better than bankai?

There's also the fact that by and large, Arrancar are far more powerful than Shinigami. I think it is seen as the same factor of increased power. As most Arrancar can hold of a Shinigami's shikai without breaking a sweat, the original release is like their version of shikai and generally buffs them up to a Shinigami's bankai level. The second release puts them farther above that.

[ultima22689]

There's also the fact that by and large, Arrancar are far more powerful than Shinigami. I think it is seen as the same factor of increased power. As most Arrancar can hold of a Shinigami's shikai without breaking a sweat, the original release is like their version of shikai and generally buffs them up to a Shinigami's bankai level. The second release puts them farther above that.

once again, game mechanics wise it doesn't work out that way.

[Athildur]

Think of it, then, as the following:

Arrancar gain Resurreccion and the Segunda Etapa at the same levels as Shinigami gain Shikai and bankai.

However, Arrancar take a lot of monster levels before that, meaning that when they attain their Resurreccion, they're more than likely at a level/ECL where the shinigami has gained their bankai.

So, when the arrancar gets the segunda etapa, he is far beyond that level.

I personally cannot see Hollow levels as class levels. Hollow are a race. They do not train and do not gain abilities based on learning and training. Their abilities are determined by their bodies alone. At least until they are Adjuchas.

Where shinigami work from a powerless platform (a normal plus spirit, perhaps the soul of a still living person), Arrancar are based on a platform that in itself is already powerful. This is why they are considerably stronger.

[Tobi_goodboy]

Think of it, then, as the following:

Arrancar gain Resurreccion and the Segunda Etapa at the same levels as Shinigami gain Shikai and bankai.

However, Arrancar take a lot of monster levels before that, meaning that when they attain their Resurreccion, they're more than likely at a level/ECL where the shinigami has gained their bankai.

So, when the arrancar gets the segunda etapa, he is far beyond that level.

I personally cannot see Hollow levels as class levels. Hollow are a race. They do not train and do not gain abilities based on learning and training. Their abilities are determined by their bodies alone. At least until they are Adjuchas.

Where shinigami work from a powerless platform (a normal plus spirit, perhaps the soul of a still living person), Arrancar are based on a platform that in itself is already powerful. This is why they are considerably stronger.

makes sense.

[ultima22689]

Think of it, then, as the following:

Arrancar gain Resurreccion and the Segunda Etapa at the same levels as Shinigami gain Shikai and bankai.

However, Arrancar take a lot of monster levels before that, meaning that when they attain their Resurreccion, they're more than likely at a level/ECL where the shinigami has gained their bankai.

So, when the arrancar gets the segunda etapa, he is far beyond that level.

I personally cannot see Hollow levels as class levels. Hollow are a race. They do not train and do not gain abilities based on learning and training. Their abilities are determined by their bodies alone. At least until they are Adjuchas.

Where shinigami work from a powerless platform (a normal plus spirit, perhaps the soul of a still living person), Arrancar are based on a platform that in itself is already powerful. This is why they are considerably stronger.

Actually not just anyone can become a shinigami. It was stated a few times you have to have a bit of spiritual power regardless before.

[Krazddndfreek]

True, but the power required is still nothing compared to the power levels a hollow has to reach to become an arrancar.

Haven't seen this for awhile, thought I'd check back on it.

[ultima22689]

True, but the power required is still nothing compared to the power levels a hollow has to reach to become an arrancar.

Haven't seen this for awhile, thought I'd check back on it.

Thats where the rest of the training and shikai and bankai come in. You got to have some talent for your zanpaktou to even have a spirit let alone learn its name, and that doesn't even tough Bankai. I think the manga and anime have just displayed arrancar in a powerful light because they were new opponents. The shinigami have actually been making short work of them since they appeared save for the espada.

[Athildur]

Thats where the rest of the training and shikai and bankai come in. You got to have some talent for your zanpaktou to even have a spirit let alone learn its name, and that doesn't even tough Bankai. I think the manga and anime have just displayed arrancar in a powerful light because they were new opponents. The shinigami have actually been making short work of them since they appeared save for the espada.

Considering that the espada were almost all made with Hougyoku, meaning that they are extremely young, they *are* extremely powerful. I think that even if you count their years as Hollow they would still not reach the same time span as most shinigami. Shinigami captains and vice-captains (and I do count rukia to be at least a 3rd seat, maybe more in power) have been making short work of them with many, *many* more years of training. Plus, you're forgetting that even though Arrancar have Cero and Bala, Shinigami have a lot of kidou to work with, which they frequently do.

Compared to Arrancar, Shinigami are weak. They are just fortunate that they have years of experience to build on, and that they have a lot more experienced troops at their disposal. That being said, most captains are not really at the limit of shinigami power. At least, when you compare them to Aizen. He is clearly of a different level. (I mean, Hitsugaya is a captain, but out of all captains he is most definately the weakest and needs to release his bankai a lot of the time to live up to his status, whereas other captains generally fight with bankai if and only if they cannot win with shikai or maybe without (which is quite often, if we're not counting the fights against the Arrancar and perhaps their most powerful Fraccion).

[sojirouryuzaki]

I seem to have noticed that in the compilation document, it gives no mention to the Augmenter or Materializers' feats. Do they have any class specific feats or have you not created them yet.

[ultima22689]

I seem to have noticed that in the compilation document, it gives no mention to the Augmenter or Materializers' feats. Do they have any class specific feats or have you not created them yet.

Well the original file was never finished so I would imagine the void just didn't make them. The human classes need mad love anyway, especially Quincy.


As for hollow being treated as just another monster/race won't that bar players from playing them? I think player should have just as much an option to play a hollow as a shinigami or human.