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Thread: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
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2007-09-02, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
There's one thing that concerns me... it was said in Crayons of Time that elves and goblins raised teir own gods. In SoD we get to know how and why The Dark One ascended to godhood, and why goblins hadn't had patron god in the beginning in the first place. But what about elves? It's probably not important enough to be explained in comic or otherwise, but it's curious neverhteless. Elves aren't cannon fodder like goblins, so why none of he first pantheons are their patrons? Maybe they were supposed to worship Gods of the East, but they were killed by the Snarl so elves were left godless?
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2007-09-02, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
That's entirely possible, with what I know anyways.
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2007-09-02, 06:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
I do believe that the eleven lands are to the East, so with no gods to call thier own, they raised some.
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
Yes, you heard that in Start of Darkness, as stated by the OP.
I didn't even think of the gods of the East thing. That is interesting. I thought it was just a "We're so full of ourselves we made our own gods" type of thing.
Maybe that's why they had to.
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2007-09-03, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
Clearly, V accomplished total arcane power, uses it to make himself a goddess, then travels back in time so she may claim his title as a god of the elves.
Alternatively, another elf sought total arcane power and used it to become a god
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2007-09-03, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
In that one strip when V writes Miko a bill s/he says that the Elven homelands are in the North. (Of course, this happens during their journey to the south, soeverything else may be in the north from there.)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
They probably were referring to the Elven homelands being north of the southern lands, rather than saying the Elven lands were in the actual northern region. Everything that is north from the southern lands is referred to as such. Haley, for instance, is from the Western continent (I think), but is referred to as a Northerner.
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
Actually, the strip with the invoice doesn't say anything about which direction the Elven homelands are in, just that they're 4374 miles away.
And the online reference to the Elves raising up their own gods is in 275. There's also a reference to Vaarsuvius worshipping an ancient elven god of knowledge, back when Elan was trying to convert em to Banjo.
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2007-09-03, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
This seems like a good place to post something that has been bugging me for a while.
By general agreement, Gods cannot affect things outside their area. We see this when some of the 12 gods stop Thor from interfearing in the Azure City battle. The Goblin's red mantle is created to circumvent this.
When the OotS goes to see the Oracle, they do not travel far from the City. Presumable they are still in the southlands. The Oracle calls upon Tiamet, one of the gods of the west. This seems to be more than the actions of a simple cleric, otherwise durkon should have been able to, or one of the clerics in AC.
So is this a circumvention of the region limitation? Or a contradiction? or what?The Historian: This DM has the history of his world written out millenniums back. It is intricate, complex, and most importantly, incredibly long. Moreover, everything your characters are doing is based on the previous history. It also tends to lead to loudmouth NPCS who will explain hundreds of years of history at a time while the players try to gouge their eardrums out with mechanical pencils.
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
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2007-09-03, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
My guess would be that the oracle is located somewhat centrally (begging the question, are all the gods allowed to have influence in the centrally located areas?), and that the OotS did have to travel at least a fair bit. That said, I don't think it would be totally unreasonable to see the oracle as an exception to the regional limitations. He seems to be unique, so perhaps that uniqueness allows hium to circumvent the usual limitations. I do agree that his powers seem to be above and beyond normal clerical powers, and are indeed a result of direct divine intervention. As to the specifics of how, well, we can only guess, or, at best, surmise.
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
No, SoD states that the gods created clerics so followers would be able to contact their gods while in areas undre another gods jurisdiction. The oracle probably has a level of cleric to enable himself to contact Tiamat.
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Re: A question of gods[SoD spoilers]
Elves aren't cannon fodder like goblins, so why none of he first pantheons are their patrons?
My guess would be, elves could worship some Gods, but they'd rather worship other elves.
I don't think the East would be a God-free place. I think it's probably the opposite, and that all Gods can answer calls, because it no pantheon's territory.
But maybe they do neglect calls coming from there.
Either way, as there is no proof elves live in the East, this theory can't be proven right now, but it's an interesting one.
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