Haunted House Game Night

[norman250]

Norman continues to scratch furiously. "Damn fleas, they're dead but still biting at me. I gotta get out of this house... the damn prize better be worth it!"

Indigo chokes on her drink when she sees the pair of ghosts show up.

((I'll be voting for Eggel for attempting to implicate someone (me) because of some other person's actions this early is very iffy. Also I read Cuthalion more as town for suggesting what he did. A wolf wouldn't just onboard his dead buddy's random wagon. Note: random. It was day 1. The wolves had no information so no particular reason to go after anyone. Two wolves pushing a wagon that hard day 1 and 2 wouldn't make very much sense so I find pretty much everyone on the Cuthalion wagon fairly suspect.))

((Why, might I ask? I've seen Cuth all over WW threads on this forum, so I suspect that he knows well enough to just ignore outed wolves, but all he's done so far is pull votes away from the Vortexer and onto a villager, and use WIFOM logic to try and give traction to an outed wolf's voting target. I agree a wolf might not normally risk the suspicion associated with pulling from a wolf's lynch wagon, but for a wolf power role? They might risk it. Furthermore, it's now day 2, and the only difference in knowledge we have from day 1 is day one's votes. So it seems to me that throwing pressure at those who tried to pull votes away from IF is a logical start.
Also, in Eggel's defense, I think he was more throwing it out as a theory, not a hard fact. He said you were a possible wolf, not a definite one. But, in your defense, I agree that Cuth's defense of you doesn't automatically you a wolf, even if Cuth is.))

[Ramsus]

((Given recent experience, assuming people know well enough not to do X isn't a good assumption to make. Also there are reasons someone might do things that are sub-optimal intentionally. I'd have been more suspicious of anyone leaping to agree with Cuthalion on the idea than Cuthalion himself as he either could be fishing for wolves or just making the mistake of not ignoring dead wolves. I might have agreed he was still the best suspect together due to other factors, but Eggel went and did two things I felt were highly suspect at the same time.

Edit: And we're not going to learn anything from having only one wagon.))

[norman250]

((Given recent experience, assuming people know well enough not to do X isn't a good assumption to make. Also there are reasons someone might do things that are sub-optimal intentionally. I'd have been more suspicious of anyone leaping to agree with Cuthalion on the idea than Cuthalion himself as he either could be fishing for wolves or just making the mistake of not ignoring dead wolves. I might have agreed he was still the best suspect together due to other factors, but Eggel went and did two things I felt were highly suspect at the same time.

Edit: And we're not going to learn anything from having only one wagon.))

Fair enough.

[BasketOfPuppies]

((@all: I'm very sorry that I wasn't on today. I was sick and things got a little vomit-y)).

[Ramsus]

((Sorry to hear that man. I was sick yesterday. Not vomity though, thankfully.))

[Disc Lorde]

((Ah, sorry to hear you're sick, BoP. That's lousy. Sorry to hear you were sick too Ramsus, I hope you're feeling better today.))

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The ghost notices one of the people speaking and turns to him. "Cuthaaaalion, you kiiiiilled me."

((OOC: Yeah, I definitely think we should vote for Cuthalion. He explicitly decided not to vote for me and said, quote, "it's probably not a good idea to kill everyone who's putting in effort." Then he voted for me anyway when Internet Flea was in danger of lynch and I was the counterwagon. Not towny at all. Definitely a wolf move.

And we're not going to learn anything from having only one wagon.

We're not going to learn anything either from adding more wagons, stirring up arguments and confusion, and letting the wolves hide wherever it's convenient, especially if they know their votes aren't going to matter anyway. Better to just lynch an almost certain wolf, hope he's a wolf power role, and give the seer more time to network.))

[Luizeu]

Edit: And we're not going to learn anything from having only one wagon.))

This will help then Ramsus

norman250 Come with me if you want to live.

[Duck999]

Hmmm... This Norman dude sounds nice. Plus I think he helped us out a bit yesterday. Immer walks over to Norman and greets him. After listening to some discussion, Cuthalion.

((Reading back through the thread as I now have time to catch up and pay attention, I'd say Cuthalion's vote for Norman is the wooliest thing he has done. It looks an awful lot like a wolf thinking he can throw away a vote and find a random lynch of a villager day 2. There's not really much more to add, though, because people have really already outlined what he has done.))

[Cuthalion]

Has anyone noticed over the past that i don't typically stick with a poorly reasoned vote for all of d1?

@Disc Lorde. I tied wagons, not "tried to save IF". This showed us that

a)IF was willing to break a tie in your direction
b)norman wanted to save you
c)luizeu wanted to save you

I would have moved my vote around if it was necessary at EoD. It would not have changed the conclusion whatsoever, so I left my vote where it was. Assuming, that is, the typical tie lynch of person who reaches it first gets it.

There isn't really anyone that looks terrible from the lynch yesterday. Except, well, IF.

To address a few more concerns:

"but all he's done so far is pull votes away from the Vortexer and onto a villager, and use WIFOM logic to try and give traction to an outed wolf's voting target"

a)I tied the wagons. I did not say "PEOPLE COME AND VOTE HERE!" I explicitly did that, as I have in many other games, to gain information, as I said in the post.
b)I was also not recommending we put all our votes there and lynch today, it was more of a proposal. Part of this is probably due to the fact that I've been playing in higher activity locations so changing your vote around is a big part of the game. Anyway. I assume some of you noticed I unvoted last afternoon?

And yes. Some logic is slightly WIFOM. But that doesn't necessarily mean you can ignore it. The evidence is definitely not strong enough to lynch norman. I never hoped or expected to, and we definitely shouldn't. But nobody profits if everyone remains silent and focuses on one player who's the target at the time. After their lynch, there's only a tiny sliver of material to go off of.

That said, what is Luizeu doing starting a counterwagon on Ramsus in particular? Do explain.

[Luizeu]

(( one single wagon doesn't reveal much more information. The way I see it Ramsus doesn't look too good either, so win-win
But, Cuth, can you explain again how I wanted to kill disc lorde by voting on IF ? ))

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But nobody profits if everyone remains silent and focuses on one player who's the target at the time. After their lynch, there's only a tiny sliver of material to go off of.

Apparently you agree with me as well

[Cuthalion]

But you can't just go off and start wagons without actually picking someone who has some sort of evidence against them. If there's a reason you voted Ramsus in particular, please enlighten us when you vote.

[Penguinator]

Laurence put on the animatronic head, and tried to emulate what exactly a fox would look like. He heard over his earpiece, "Remember, this is only your first day on the job. Don't do anything too crazy. Just rattle a few of the contestants if you can. We want them to be scared, but not dead." Laurence nodded slowly, locking the head into place. "Oh, and try not to die. We've had... complaints."

I'm not getting a good vibe from GAAD. His post count is high, but the content is low. He's not really making any effort to find wolves. His first vote on day one was for Luizeu, who looks pretty good, now. He later had that joke post about making as many ties as possible. I'm never too fond of "yay we got a wolf" posts. And thus far today, he has provided the third vote on the only bandwagon without providing really solid evidence. There were also a number of unexplained votes and immunity votes for him, yesterday. Ramsus gave reasoning, the others either gave no reasoning or shaky reasoning.

[Ramsus]

((Oh right. Immunity votes. norman250 since Luizeu wants that and Cuthalion implies it's a good idea so odds are good (for now) that this isn't a bad choice.

Luizeu. You cannot just say I "don't look good". You have to explain why. Because I pointed out the Cuthalion lynch was fishy? Because I didn't automatically agree with reasoning you agree with? Because I'm voting for someone I provided valid reasons for voting for? You have to actually say why. So that we can determine if you have a point or not. As is, you've moved yourself up into highly suspect territory.))

[norman250]

RP to follow later, when I'm not at work.

So, Disc Lorde and I have decided that the benefits of keeping my role secret are now outweighed by the benefits of revealing it. I am the other mason. Since this is a game where the dead may speak in the main thread, Disc Lorde will be on later to verify my claim. Village power roles, please PM me so that I may get a network going before I am untimely killed. I know its not normal to claim unless in danger of being lynched, but with an actual dead mason able to confirm my status, and with me not really having an advantage with Disc Lorde dead, it just seemed like a good gambit to try and get a network started. So... like I said, let me know, power roles.

Also, as for the Cuth wagon, I am actually a little perturbed by how many people jumped on it so fast. With a game as small as this one, I feel like there's a good chance that there may be some wolves on that wagon. He's still going to be my target for now, as I still think he's the most likely wolf out of the available wagons (for all the aforementioned reasons), but I am open to other targets if someone wants to put forth who they find suspect.

[Disc Lorde]

"My name is Disc Lorde and I confirm this Mason."

((OOC: Confirming, Norman is indeed another mason. Town power roles, please contact him.

Also, what does WIFOM stand for?))

[BasketOfPuppies]

Still a little sick but now with the added stress of plan rehearsals! Yay!

Cuthalion and Norman250 to try to not get AL'ed. Hopefully this sickness will blow over soon.

[Thematthew]

... you guys do realize that immunity was a day 1 thing, right? That's why it isn't in the main rules.

[norman250]

... you guys do realize that immunity was a day 1 thing, right? That's why it isn't in the main rules.

Figured as much.

[GAAD]

Laurence put on the animatronic head, and tried to emulate what exactly a fox would look like. He heard over his earpiece, "Remember, this is only your first day on the job. Don't do anything too crazy. Just rattle a few of the contestants if you can. We want them to be scared, but not dead." Laurence nodded slowly, locking the head into place. "Oh, and try not to die. We've had... complaints."

I'm not getting a good vibe from GAAD. His post count is high, but the content is low. He's not really making any effort to find wolves. His first vote on day one was for Luizeu, who looks pretty good, now. He later had that joke post about making as many ties as possible. I'm never too fond of "yay we got a wolf" posts. And thus far today, he has provided the third vote on the only bandwagon without providing really solid evidence. There were also a number of unexplained votes and immunity votes for him, yesterday. Ramsus gave reasoning, the others either gave no reasoning or shaky reasoning.

Yeah, well, I still suck at this game. I was an Immunity bandwagon, from what I can tell. And the reason I'm going after Cuthalion was BECAUSE I agree with Ramsus' reasoning, namely that Cuth is attempting to sling suspicion every which way, including towards Norman, who is Mason. The dude IS suspicious, and I think we should lynch him.

As for "not really making any effort to find wolves"? Well, I try not to change my vote unless I have a good enough reason to. I fished Luizeu, who took out a wolf and is now town in my eyes.

Looking back though, I see Rain Dragon only made ONE post, versus Internet Flea. I mean, he might be totally clear, but it seems like distancing to me. I do think we should off Cuthalion today. Still, though, let's see what probing Rain Dragon does. Do you have any reads?

[Elenna]

I'm not getting a good vibe from GAAD.

He's immune until Night 2, remember?

Also, what does WIFOM stand for?

Wine In Front Of Me. This link explains it better than I could.

In this specific case, we might expect that IF is voting for Norman because he wants Norman dead. Except that's what he'd expect us to think, so maybe Norman is a wolf, except he'd expect us to think that, so... and then it dissolves into circular reasoning.
(Of course, now we know Norman's role. But that's why people were calling it WIFOM earlier.)

Luizeu, an explanation for the vote on Ramsus would be great.

[norman250]

In Cuth's defense, I would like to acknowledge that I am a Mason, NOT a seer.

[Internet Flea]

My name is Internet Flea and I can also confirm that norman250 is a Mason.

In Cuth's defense, I would like to acknowledge that I am a Mason, NOT a seer.

I've got a Seer.

[Silent_Interim]

The dull man, who was so uninteresting that he already seemed to be a ghost for all intents and purposes, metaphorically melted out of the woodwork. "This fellow clearly ought to go."

((In light of recent events, I'll go ahead and throw in on the Cuthalion wagon.))

[Rain Dragon]

-- OOC post --

That's where you're wrong! AHAhaha HahAH!

HaHA!

Bite me.

I'm gonna go ahead and change my vote to Cuthalion now. I looked back, and I noticed how he voted for Disc Lorde. Disc Lorde was the one who was attacking a (possible) wolf comrade Ramsus. Cuthalion tried to defend his teammate. When the bandwagon shifted to IF, he didn't say anything to not attract any attention. Simply put, he's a wolf.

This is a rather strange post if you ask me. This argument seems based around Ramsus being a werewolf rather than Cuthalion's vote, but I may be confused. Would you explain, if I do have the wrong of it?

Cuthalion's posts since the Norman vote earlier give me a more towny vibe.

Unvoting Cuthalion for now

((Ah, sorry to hear you're sick, BoP. That's lousy. Sorry to hear you were sick too Ramsus, I hope you're feeling better today.))

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The ghost notices one of the people speaking and turns to him. "Cuthaaaalion, you kiiiiilled me."

((OOC: Yeah, I definitely think we should vote for Cuthalion. He explicitly decided not to vote for me and said, quote, "it's probably not a good idea to kill everyone who's putting in effort." Then he voted for me anyway when Internet Flea was in danger of lynch and I was the counterwagon. Not towny at all. Definitely a wolf move.

We're not going to learn anything either from adding more wagons, stirring up arguments and confusion, and letting the wolves hide wherever it's convenient, especially if they know their votes aren't going to matter anyway. Better to just lynch an almost certain wolf, hope he's a wolf power role, and give the seer more time to network.))

That said, low to no discussion days with people all voting in the same direction aren't very good for town.

Also, re: Cuthalion, I'm not as sure, though we really didn't learn anything from the tied wagons from the vote you are referring to. I just looked back and saw this. Unrelated, that really. Typically though, it's a decent enough idea particularly on D1.

Yeah, well, I still suck at this game. I was an Immunity bandwagon, from what I can tell. And the reason I'm going after Cuthalion was BECAUSE I agree with Ramsus' reasoning, namely that Cuth is attempting to sling suspicion every which way, including towards Norman, who is Mason. The dude IS suspicious, and I think we should lynch him.

As for "not really making any effort to find wolves"? Well, I try not to change my vote unless I have a good enough reason to. I fished Luizeu, who took out a wolf and is now town in my eyes.

Looking back though, I see Rain Dragon only made ONE post, versus Internet Flea. I mean, he might be totally clear, but it seems like distancing to me. I do think we should off Cuthalion today. Still, though, let's see what probing Rain Dragon does. Do you have any reads?

I also only had one post overall on D1.

I agree with what's been said about you; you look a bit fishy considering the high fluff to low content ratio.
Why do you think Cuth is 'slinging suspicion'? Afaict his vote on Norman was not very convincing at all.

I have a null read on Cuth and Ramsus.

I'm unsure how bussing would go in this game considering the dead don't truly die. Luizeu's vote was also only a few hours before EoD. In a game where the dead only lose PMs, would you clear Luizeu so solidly so readily? I think it's unlikely he's a wolf but hesitate to clear him, especially given this day's posts (as others have pointed out).

Norman clearly town.
Duck also looks good from D1. Would like to hear from him though.

There are some very quiet people. They're hard to read.

The dull man, who was so uninteresting that he already seemed to be a ghost for all intents and purposes, metaphorically melted out of the woodwork. "This fellow clearly ought to go."

((In light of recent events, I'll go ahead and throw in on the Cuthalion wagon.))

Which recent events?

[ThePhantom]

"Now I say, what is going on in here?"

Grandalt walks into the room where most of the others are, medals glimmering on his chest.

"I take off for a nap and now there's ghosts and radios and more people present."

[norman250]

Hmm. I'm starting to feel like Cuth getting lynched is what the wolves want, judging by how many people have joined me on the wagon. Cuth, If you're still around, any alternatives you want to put forth? I see that you crossed out your most recent vote.

[Internet Flea]

Bite me.

That's what fleas doOoOoOoOhh!

[Ramsus]

((@Silent Interim: Yeah, like Rain Dragon said. What recent events? ))

[Cuthalion]

Hmm. I'm starting to feel like Cuth getting lynched is what the wolves want, judging by how many people have joined me on the wagon. Cuth, If you're still around, any alternatives you want to put forth? I see that you crossed out your most recent vote.

Look at Elenna, GAAD, or BoP. All viable, I think.

[Internet Flea]

((@Silent Interim: Yeah, like Rain Dragon said. What recent events? ))

That would be the scry result PM.

ThePhantom, because it's just fitting.