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2016-05-16, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
On Elan's entry, strictly speaking, we know that he has 15 ranks in some Perform skill to use Song of Freedom, but it isn't necessarily in Strings. You don't need to use the form of performance you have ranks in to use a bardic music ability.
Realistically, of course, it probably doesn't matter, because he probably has both Strings and Singing maxed out (though we don't have proof of that).
And on the topic of Tarquin's arrow-catching, "behaved suboptimally" isn't a point against the epic-level explanation, because it applies equally to all explanations. No proposed explanation requires him to grab the arrows; no matter how it is that it's possible for him to do that, he had to choose to grab them (causing his fall from the airship). Thus, the fact that he made a suboptimal decision carries no weight whatsoever in determining how he did it.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
—As You Like It, III:ii:328
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2016-05-16, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Oy vey, we're here again.
Well, let's get to it.
To start off: I agree the camp that says ID is probably the best explanation. Low epic seems appropriate for Tarquin for me - Holy Word tells us we're at least within a few levels, and the fact that the Vector Legion forced the OOTS to flee despite being at a 3 to 5 disadvantage seems to back this up. This doesn't seem like enough (in and of itself) to definitively peg his level in this thread, but it also means that I don't generally see another explanation that requires him to be epic (like ID) as requiring extraordinary proof. (There is, at minimum, a significant number of other participants who disagree with me on that point).
That said, ID also has rules issues. In the last round of discussion on this, if memory serves, that point at least caused me to waver.
Specifically, in addition to Tarquin not having a reason to catch arrows with Infinite Deflection in that situation, it also isn't clear that ID would give him the ability to do so. ID and Snatch Arrows both expand the options available from Deflect Arrows, but there isn't any actual indication that the two can be used together.Last edited by Hecuba; 2016-05-16 at 04:40 PM.
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2016-05-16, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Indeed. I hate myself for even contributing to this, but it could also be argued that the Gloves *require* grabbing the arrows.
Anyway, the point remains that its a tangled snare which can be reasonably interpreted a lot of different ways pointing to different optimal solutions. More data is required and I'm not at all sure we'll ever get it.Last edited by Crusher; 2016-05-16 at 04:43 PM.
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2016-05-16, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
I'd go so far as to say we almost certainly won't.
But we're not [yet?] in the business of actually recreating the OOTS characters as NPCs to populate a campaign setting (though that'd be a nice project for after the comic ends). That would require a lot more extrapolation and guesswork than we're willing to do. Our goal remains the more modest cataloging of what we know.
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2016-05-20, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Aren't mushrooms considered plants? So wouldn't Red Cloak's ability to turn mushrooms/fungi into Xykon's soul thing require a high Knowledge (Nature)? Actually I suspect that's where his "Chemistry" knowledge comes from.
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2016-05-21, 12:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
We'll see if she sticks around long enough to be worth noting, but it at least initially appears that Oona is a Beastmaster and 4th level or higher (for 2 animal companions).
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2016-05-21, 01:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Just a minor point on Tarquin -
Shouldn't that dagger be noted as lost/removed from the list? ... granted, he probably has a dagger for every day of the month, but the dagger depicted ends up un-pleather'ed and in the hands of our favorite stabby Halfling.
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2016-05-21, 02:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-21, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Kurald,
Next time you are doing an update, you may want to update MitD's link to the new thread
Yours,
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2016-05-21, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2016-05-21, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
In fact, I believe these days fungi are considered closer to animals than they are to plants (as in, they branched off later than their protogroup branched off of the plants branch). This chart suggests that fungi and animals are closer to slime molds than they are to plants.
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2016-05-21, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
That's unexpectedly cool. Today I learned.
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2016-05-21, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
I think that fungi have animal cells for some things, and plant cells for others (or, to be more precise, animal-like and plant-like), but I really don't remember the details right now.
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2016-05-21, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-21, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Fungus:
Type: Plant
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/fungus.htm
Which means RC needed Knowledge(Nature) to make Xykon's item, which also implies that his "Knowledge: Chemistry" is actually "Knowledge(Nature(Including Chemistry))" or something like that.
Note also that he spent a LOT of time in that swamp back in SOD where Knowledge:Nature would probably be highly useful.
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2016-05-21, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-21, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Quick question re: Durkon and Gregula, if Durkon's wisdom is 17-23, shouldn't Greg's be 19-25 (SRD: a vampire has the base creature's wisdom +2)? Just seems like a bit of an odd approach when similar thing done for Str and Dex, sure there's some reason it is the way it is that I've missed.
(Similarly, if Durkon's Charisma is <10, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that Greg's is <14?)Last edited by Mx56; 2016-05-21 at 11:48 PM.
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2016-05-22, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Well, she might not actually be 7th level yet, merely expecting to be 7th level by the time MitD would agree to such a deal. Of course, she's probably a good bit higher than 4th level to have faced off against a pair of high-ish level paladins and won/lived, but we don't know that for sure yet.
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2016-05-24, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Should we update Xykon's level to 22+ because if he were only level 21 he could be controlled if Redcloak were to roll 22+ on his Command Undead check?
And in 830 Tsukiko is noted as having a ring which protects her against draining touch attacks (and maybe other undead effects).Last edited by Quartz; 2016-05-25 at 04:11 AM.
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2016-05-24, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-24, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-24, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-25, 04:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-05-28, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Xykon is listed as having an unknown crafting feat, while Redcloak has CWI listed due to the making of xykon's phylactery. Under 3.5 rules a lich has to make their own phylactery and the lich template lists CWI as one of the requirements. Shouldn't the CWI feat be moved to Xykon as there is more evidence that he has it rather than redcloak?
I know Redcloak helped in Start of Darkness, but that help was probably his knowledge and spellcasting ability.
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2016-05-28, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wouldn't that be embarrassing, to find yourself with your boss in what he thought was his soul's private apartment.
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2016-05-29, 03:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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