RWBY VIII: Well, THAT escalated quickly

[Callos_DeTerran]

"Next to the guys who made Skullgirls" implies that the Skullgirls maker IS the superior (albeit in a way that doesn't denigrate Ark)

Let me have my blind fan rage HalfTangible, I don't get to indulge it often!

[Ramza00]

Spoiler: Volume 5 Chapter 1

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I think you might have missed something and they did do things off-screen with the Fennec brothers. From when Blake's story starts,
Ghira and Sun are ranting about how untrustworthy the Fennec brothers are and what a shady thing they just did until Kali poonts out that's the first thing they've agreed on. The firstish line Blake has with Illya is also about the unseen meeting and how the Fennec are blaming everything on Illya...its still a quick line and Illya brushes it off so I can see missing it.

Don't blame you if you weren't paying the most attention to it though, Blake's storyline is the least entertaining to me as well so I usually only catch things that she's doing on the second or third watch. Luckily this time I was in a theater and could only give the chapter my full attention this time.

Continuing a conversation with Callos-DeTerran concerning what happened in the last episode of Vol 4 and the start of Vol 5 and what happened in Vol 5 Episode 1

Spoiler: Volume 5 Chapter 1

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So refresh my memory of the events we actually seen on screen as Audience Members.

End of Vol 4

• We see Blake and Sun chase after the chameleon girl
• Sun gets injured
• Sun and Blake fight and make up after Sun wakes from his injury. Blakes parents turn out to be spying on them when the door falls down
• Blake's dad throws scroll / cellphone on table and says the phone has files that show the White Fang is going to attack Haven / Mistral
• Blake says she is going to take back the white fang
• Chameleon Girl during Ruby's narration of the letter talks to the Fox brothers on a rooftop

It is unclear if Vol 5 Blake short has taken place or not.

Vol 5 Episode 1

• Stuff happens off screen
• Both Blake's dad and Sun are pissed and Blake's moment comments at least you two can agree on something
• Blake ask guard to leave and gets some night air, chameleon girl shows up
• They talk and Blake reveals she is going to uproot the white fang

So my complaint is stuff with the fox brothers and such happened off screen and I find that to be non helpful and probably counter productive storytelling. I think the story would be better told with Blake, Sun, and Blake Dad revealing what they know to the fox brothers and show them the chameleon girl's scroll.

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Sidenote anyone notice that Zuko from Avatar is trying to find his lost honor in Mistral?

[Rawhide]

They've slightly changed the release schedule. FIRST members get it on Saturdays. Anyone with a site account can see it on Tuesday, and it goes up on YouTube the following Saturday.

Thank you, I'll update the first page in a bit.

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Spoiler: Less spoilery, but still spoilers

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Remember folks, all spoiler boxes in this thread must be labelled, and if containing spoilers must be labeled with at least the most recent episode that it might spoil (e.g. "Volume 5, Chapter 1" or "V5C1"). If it's not a spoiler (just a large image or something), then that should be the label.

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Spoiler: Volume 5, Chapter 1

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RWBY is back and in full swing baby!

An excellent start to the volume. So excite!

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With a new volume starting and the thread almost at 50, we need a new name for the next thread.

[LaZodiac]

A while back I asked you if it was good because I liked some of the characters. You told me that Blazblue was "dumb", "confusing" and "made no sense" I don't really care for 2d fighters anyway so I didn't press the matter.

Okay to explain this a bit more since I apparently need to do this: dumb confusing and nonsensical doesn't always mean bad for me? This is a series that starts from the get go "what if time travel was super involved and every plot happens even the ridiculous silly ones that would be non canon".

Blazblue is a series where a cat, as in an actual fulll on house cat, that stands on two legs, gets together with an adult women and have a catgirl child. All three of them are in order the strongest physical, magical, and brainhaving person in the world.

One of the characters is an alternate timeline version of another main character who's only able to resist the time paradox by being VERY ANGRY all the time.

IIRC it's a tribute to Monty.

Fair, and I accept this, it just...like Callos says, it's hard to fathom why someone likes a thing when you're not super fond of it, especially when he could write circles around Monty. It feels weird to see him like something that isn't good? But then maybe I'm just biased or tired.

Are...these a things?

And, weirdly related, are they a problem if the game in question is good?

But these...? These are fighting words Zodi! Skullgirls is, bar none, my favorite fighting game period and I'll hear no more of this nonsense about a superior fighting game maker.

They in fact are, quite a lot actually. The most recent one worth mentioning (and that's a stretch) is Nitroplus Blasterz: Heroines Infinite Duel. Every character is some some degree of dating sim, be it the "we used to just be straight up porn" like Fate/Stay Night's representative, who's always in these games, Artorias Saber, from more lighter fair like Homura, the villain protagonist from Senran Kagura (the boob ninja series). It's a bunch of "quality" anime wives punching each other and they apparently play half decently but are actually all super trash because they're for the fanservice and have actual balancing to them.

Skullgirls is I would say only inferior to Arksys in the sense that Arksys handles story better and I really really want more than one video game from the Skullgirl people before I can say they're god tier. They're fantastic, don't get me wrong, but they need to make another game please. Maybe with a better end boss too.

[HalfTangible]

Okay to explain this a bit more since I apparently need to do this: dumb confusing and nonsensical doesn't always mean bad for me? This is a series that starts from the get go "what if time travel was super involved and every plot happens even the ridiculous silly ones that would be non canon".

Blazblue is a series where a cat, as in an actual fulll on house cat, that stands on two legs, gets together with an adult women and have a catgirl child. All three of them are in order the strongest physical, magical, and brainhaving person in the world.

One of the characters is an alternate timeline version of another main character who's only able to resist the time paradox by being VERY ANGRY all the time.

I asked you if it was good, you told me it was dumb, confusing and nonsensical. Generally when one responds to a query on quality by listing some of the series' problems, they mean "it's bad".

[LaZodiac]

I asked you if it was good, you told me it was dumb, confusing and nonsensical. Generally when one responds to a query on quality by listing some of the series' problems, they mean "it's bad".

That feels like me but typically when I get going on a thing I overexplain for an hour and everyone ignores everything I say so you know.

[Rawhide]

Ruby Rose vs... Ruby Violet?

[HalfTangible]

Ruby Rose vs... Ruby Violet?

Wouldn't that be Violet Rose?

[Rawhide]

Wouldn't that be Violet Rose?

It's definitely still Ruby, it says so on the screen, but she's a different colour flower.

[HalfTangible]

It's definitely still Ruby, it says so on the screen, but she's a different colour flower.

Ruby is the color in her name

Therefore it should be the one changing to blue

[Rater202]

Roses are red, we know this is true, but violets are violet, not flipping blue.

'Guy on twitter said "Blueby."

I say we go with that.

[Rawhide]

Ruby is the color in her name

Therefore it should be the one changing to blue

Rose is the colour in her name.

They are both the colour in her name.

Ruby is displayed on screen, therefore it can't be changed. Also, you would need to find a blue gemstone, not a blue(ish) flower to replace Ruby with.

Roses are red, we know this is true, but violets are violet, not flipping blue.

True, but name a more iconic flower associated with deep blue.

[HalfTangible]

Roses are red, we know this is true, but violets are violet, not flipping blue.

Spoiler: I beg to differ

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Most violets are purple (hence the name) but many are blue (hence the strong association)

Rose is the colour in her name.

Wrong. R

No, forget it, I'm gone, not getting into this again.

[Ramza00]

This is why parents shouldn't name their kids after colors, nor should they name their first name with a last name that will cause a pun.

Bad Taiyang, it is all your fault (maybe it is Summer's but I blame the dad with names until evidence against presents itself.)

[Rawhide]

Spoiler: I beg to differ

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Please be more clear with spoiler box titles in this thread. If it does not contain a spoiler, make that clear in the title. Thanks.

Wrong. R

No, forget it, I'm gone, not getting into this again.

If you cannot engage in a discussion without getting aggressive or breaking the forum rules, do not even start. Comments such as the above are not welcome here and will earn an infraction.

Also, why did you edit my quote to "correct" my correct spelling of colour with strikeout?

[LaZodiac]

Ruby Rose vs... Ruby Violet?

God that music is awful. That plus the sound effects of two Ruby's smashing into each other is...agony.

[Rawhide]

God that music is awful.

Hey, that's one of my favourite tracks from Volume 1!

[LaZodiac]

Hey, that's one of my favourite tracks from Volume 1!

That's okay, there's nothing wrong with that.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Spoiler: Volume 5 Chapter 1

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So refresh my memory of the events we actually seen on screen as Audience Members.

End of Vol 4

• We see Blake and Sun chase after the chameleon girl
• Sun gets injured
• Sun and Blake fight and make up after Sun wakes from his injury. Blakes parents turn out to be spying on them when the door falls down
• Blake's dad throws scroll / cellphone on table and says the phone has files that show the White Fang is going to attack Haven / Mistral
• Blake says she is going to take back the white fang
• Chameleon Girl during Ruby's narration of the letter talks to the Fox brothers on a rooftop

It is unclear if Vol 5 Blake short has taken place or not.

Vol 5 Episode 1

• Stuff happens off screen
• Both Blake's dad and Sun are pissed and Blake's moment comments at least you two can agree on something
• Blake ask guard to leave and gets some night air, chameleon girl shows up
• They talk and Blake reveals she is going to uproot the white fang

So my complaint is stuff with the fox brothers and such happened off screen and I find that to be non helpful and probably counter productive storytelling. I think the story would be better told with Blake, Sun, and Blake Dad revealing what they know to the fox brothers and show them the chameleon girl's scroll.

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Minor correction on the volume 4 timeline.

Ghira reveals that Adam is going to overthrow the leadership of the White Fang and then lead an attack on Haven Academy. Like I said, very minor correction.

I thought your complaint was that it was unclear that Blake, Sun, Ghira, and Kali went to see the fox brothers? That's mostly what I was clarifying and we don't know if the Blake short happened before Vol. 5 but I feel like it did. Don't have any way to confirm that right now though.

That said...it could have been better or not...So far the fox brothers are pretty shallow in character and you can imagine how a conversation of them throwing Illia under the bus to preserve their place would go pretty easily.

So if there wasn't important character development or plot development, I can see why they would skip it and just tell you the relevant details while they do things that do advance the plot and further character development for Illia (and a smaller degree for Blake as well).

If anything, I would have had the Blake short changed so that all of the 'present day' scenes with chasing the White Fang member through Menagerie were replaced with Blake and company confronting the fox brothers because it would amount to the same thing but are more important and give us the information about if the shorts have happened or not...which is actually really only relevant to Blake so its all the more important. You still get to see Illia's devotion to the White Fang and Blake's newfound commitment to taking the White Fang back but with the backdrop of Illia's backstory and possibly some character development for the fox brothers as well.

As it is, I would have done it differently (and you would have as well) but the way the scene works still serves to convey all the necessary information.

Fair, and I accept this, it just...like Callos says, it's hard to fathom why someone likes a thing when you're not super fond of it, especially when he could write circles around Monty. It feels weird to see him like something that isn't good? But then maybe I'm just biased or tired.

Probably a little of both. Apparently the guy is a big fan of RWBY though, so..I'm not sure you'll be able to fathom why he likes it.

Skullgirls is I would say only inferior to Arksys in the sense that Arksys handles story better and I really really want more than one video game from the Skullgirl people before I can say they're god tier. They're fantastic, don't get me wrong, but they need to make another game please. Maybe with a better end boss too.

See, I have a very narrow sample size of a very old (by this point) Guilty Gear game and Skullgirls to go off of, but I wasn't a big fan of how Arksys handled the story in it because...

Hrm. Let me put it this way...I really like the story and setting but Arksys made you jump through hoops (in game and out) to figure out what was going on and some of the characters' individual arcs fell a bit flat for me. The first one didn't bother me so much when I was playing the game, but they do now especially when Skullgirls (a game I like for many of the same reasons I did Guilty Gear) has a simpler story but the execution of it is to die for. I was caught up in each character's story no matter how simple it was because of the writing was strong and the over-arching story going on.

In other words, for me, Skullgirls did story better but I openly acknowledge that I can't accurately judge that because I've only played one Arcsys fighter and it wasn't even the first of its series.

We are both agreed though, I definitely want to see another game by the Lab Zero but I don't know if they're working on a game right now and that's a little heart-breaking for me cause they said they want to take a break before coming back to the Skullgirl universe but don't seem to be working on anything else. Considering their incredibly troubled production troubles, this is a cause for major alarm to me.

But yes...another game and a better end boss...or at least more than one of the same caliber as Bloody Mary. Hell, make boss versions of Double and Eliza if need be! Or bring in Aeone and Venus! I just want more Skullgirls dammit, stop judging me!

[LaZodiac]

Finally got around to watching the new Yang character short/literally just a piece of an episode they're previewing now don't get your hopes up.

Spoiler: Yang Season 5 Trailer Episode Whatever probably one maybe two? It's a clip from the season we know that.

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Why does Yang feel it's needed to teach Ruby to punch? Ruby is literally in no situation where she wouldn't have her scythe on her ever. And has super speed. As we see in the thing. And then a bear pops out of nowhere.

The instant any song starts playing in this series I get an instant, knee jerk reaction of wanting to dig my eardrums out.

The bear fight scene is...really really badly animated. Her dash forward looked super rough. I almost kinda like how she's using the shotgun blasts to propel her around and stuff...it's just that I don't know why she's doing that, and it looks really bad. Yang being a super acrobatic fighter like Ruby and Weiss and Blake (and really everyone else) is silly because that's just not how someone like her should fight. She's a big bruiser type, why is she all flippy dippy and whatever?

I like that they made the aura look more honeycomb like when it...gets destroyed, I guess? It's unclear because nothing in this series is ****ing clear. Why did she even get stuck in the bears mouth? And...and it just dies from getting it's arm broken. Why?

The differences in shading between the past and present models is noticable enough to bug me. Is it so hard to get the right shade of yellow?

Everything is bad again god I'm glad I work tuesdays so I don't technically have to subject myself to this, especially since the staggered release means no one will care as the conversation will have passed by then. Don't expect me to spend like three hours looking at every episode this season.

Also gotta remember myself about all the rules and stuff for the spoiler tags, though again this wouldn't be a problem if they released the episodes reasonably and on a site that worked.

[Lethologica]

Spoiler: v5 Yang trailer

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Why does Yang feel it's needed to teach Ruby to punch? Ruby is literally in no situation where she wouldn't have her scythe on her ever. And has super speed. As we see in the thing.

Ruby was caught without her scythe by Mercury in volume 3--not that that fight was all that meaningful, but it could have been. Being super-speedy didn't auto-win that engagement, either.

Preparing for the eventuality is not a bad thing. Real-world militaries have never relied on hand-to-hand as a first option for combat, and modern soldiers arguably have superpowers far outstripping anything Ruby is capable of; nonetheless, most of them train hand-to-hand in one way or another.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Spoiler: Yang Season 5 Trailer Episode Whatever probably one maybe two? It's a clip from the season we know that.

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Why does Yang feel it's needed to teach Ruby to punch? Ruby is literally in no situation where she wouldn't have her scythe on her ever. And has super speed. As we see in the thing. And then a bear pops out of nowhere.

Spoiler: Yang Short

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In addition to what Leth (even if that encounter had stakes) said, Ruby was without her scythe when captured by the White Fang at the end of Volume 2 (and would have been in serious trouble if Oobleck and the rest of her team hadn't shown up).

And again on top of the airship when fighting Neo and Roman. Neo disarms Ruby early on and Ruby gets destroyed because of it. Every time Ruby has lost her scythe, she's taken a beating for it and still is pretty crap at hand to hand despite it all. Volume 4 has a lesser example in that once Tyrian got inside the reach of Crescent Rose (something very easy for him) Ruby had no answer but this means less cause of the sheer gap between Ruby and Tyrian in terms of skill.

If anything its a mystery we don't see Yang forcing Ruby into more hand to hand lessons...actually, I'll call it now. At some point in Volume 5 Ruby is going to be without Crescent Rose again and get curb-stomped as a result, its almost a Volume tradition at this point but I can't think of a time in Volume 1 when it happened.

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: Volume 5 Yang Trailer

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Both of those answers are good and fair and admitidly I was super tired when I posted that since it was 2 in the morning.

I guess it feels silly to be that she isn't already good at some degree of punching since, again, she has super speed.

[Calemyr]

Spoiler: My take on 5-1

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The episode gets a lot done, but it's not exactly exciting.
* Weiss is struggling between practicality (staying under the radar) and heroism (running to help). The scene ends before we know what her final reaction is, but suggests she's respecting the captain's authority on his ship - which is a show of maturity she is not well known for.
* Blake is trying to use politics to weaken the White Fang, but I don't think she realizes just how much influence Adam has garnered there. This is going to end with the masses siding with Adam and Blake suffering for it, if not her entire family.
* Yang... gets what she wants by punching the right face in. Twice (free water and info). She's trying to get to Raven first, which is understandable given her arc.
* Pretty sure Qrowe's "did it!" is finding Ozpin and returning the cane. Given the size of the world and the dangers involved, that's a major task he completed more or less by accident. If I had that much luck on a job so daunting, I'd probably celebrate as well.
* Oscar is claiming to be Oszpin, which is interesting because it seemed like a role he inherited rather than his actual identity. He seems intimidated by everything, even RNJR. I'm curious if his "silver eyes" comment was meant to be proof of his claim to be Ozpin, or if it was Oscar just being awestruck by Ruby. Ignoring Ozpin for a second, Ruby is closer to Oscar's age than to her friends', after all.
* Leo could be interesting. As has been said, he's being defined by being overcautious instead of simply being cowardly (though that shows through as well at times), which is nice. He seems to be trying to minimize the damage Adam's attack on Haven will cause by moving his huntsmen and staff away from the school - easier infiltration with fewer casualties. I'm inclined to think Leo's being strong-armed into cooperation rather than being a willing traitor. Could be interesting to see what role he'll play. (Honestly, though, it's probably just to cut the number of players down to make the battle for Haven less confusing and costly.)

At the moment, it looks like we've got two major events that are going to play out: the White Fang assault on Haven and Raven's Maiden. Dunno which one they'll tackle first, as both have a RWBY member attached. Raven will probably be first, given that Yang is the more team-reliant of the two and this would leave them outside Haven when the Fire Nation White Fang attacks. The fall of Beacon was a defensive battle, so this one will probably be a more offensive one. Which works, I think: you don't need to focus on as many people when the story is on the side of the aggressors.

Gotta say I liked the new opening. It evokes the mentality of "Yeah, we lost. But we survived. Now we're going to reclaim what was taken.", which is pretty much where we need to be right now.

So, yeah. Slow first episode this time, which is new, but a welcome break from formula. The art and animation continue to evolve, as is the acting. Lots of interesting information, which was presented in multiple ways by multiple people, keeping it from being an egregious info-dump. Dunno about you folks, but it looks like it's still worth watching.

That said, LaZodiac: I am a fan of your critiques and acknowledge this show is not perfect (or even close, really), but you might want to watch the attitude on it a little. "This was poorly animated, that was cringe-inducingly written, he is inherently punchable, she is practically useless..." is fun to read and I welcome the opportunity to do so. "It is garbage.", however, is too closed and flat to be engaging. Remember that, for all its faults, this thread is supposed to be for people who enjoy the show - whether as good entertainment to enjoy watching or as bad entertainment to enjoy critiquing. Just a small critique to a critic I enjoy reading.

[LaZodiac]

Don't worry I'll keep that in mind, I'm just very tired from work and I didn't put out much effort for the Yang trailer. Staying up till two to watch it was also a poor decision.

But don't worry, the relative quality of Zodi will stay consistent. For better or worse.

[Reddish Mage]

Finally got around to watching the new Yang character short/literally just a piece of an episode they're previewing now don't get your hopes up.

Spoiler: Yang Season 5 Trailer Episode Whatever probably one maybe two? It's a clip from the season we know that.

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Why does Yang feel it's needed to teach Ruby to punch? Ruby is literally in no situation where she wouldn't have her scythe on her ever. And has super speed. As we see in the thing. And then a bear pops out of nowhere.

The instant any song starts playing in this series I get an instant, knee jerk reaction of wanting to dig my eardrums out.

The bear fight scene is...really really badly animated. Her dash forward looked super rough. I almost kinda like how she's using the shotgun blasts to propel her around and stuff...it's just that I don't know why she's doing that, and it looks really bad. Yang being a super acrobatic fighter like Ruby and Weiss and Blake (and really everyone else) is silly because that's just not how someone like her should fight. She's a big bruiser type, why is she all flippy dippy and whatever?

I like that they made the aura look more honeycomb like when it...gets destroyed, I guess? It's unclear because nothing in this series is ****ing clear. Why did she even get stuck in the bears mouth? And...and it just dies from getting it's arm broken. Why?

The differences in shading between the past and present models is noticable enough to bug me. Is it so hard to get the right shade of yellow?

Spoiler: Yang Character Short - actually I don't think the shorts are part of Vol 5

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Sometimes your critiques are spot on, sometimes they are arguable, sometimes its a matter of a opinion, and sometimes you are just not watching carefully. I think this time its the latter.

Ruby definitely had her inability to fight without her scythe prominently exposed, but others have pointed this one out. More interesting, is why this particular memory would be something Yang would be thinking about on the road...is Yang concerned for Ruby? Or perhaps, and this one is more likely,

Spoiler: V5E1

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It is not a memory but a narrative contrast of Yang's current behavior, where she ignores Ruby to go after her mom, is contrasted to her past behavior, being willing to sacrifice herself for Ruby.

If its this, then the story is likely foreshadowing that Yang is still not behaving like herself and is unbalaced. Yang's outburst at the gas liquid-dust station and anti-social attitude also contrasts her cool demeanor at the nightclub in Vol2 and the Yellow Trailer.

The fight moves are very simple, but it isn't poorly animated. Yang moves are very basic Yang moves, probably because they are stressing we are seeing really early (probably pre-Beacon) Yang. However, a closer look at the short shows they are not taking shortcuts with the animation here and characters are showing full movement even when fighting (much like the Weiss short).

Unlike the Weiss short, here I would agree the overall impression falls...please excuse me...short. We do not need to see Yang to be that inexperienced for the short to make sense in the timeline. We have not seen any of the other characters limited to simple fundamentals in any fight (including Juane). I think the purpose was to drive home that the Giant Ursa was a deadly threat to her, but it was overdone.

Finally the honeycomb fade in and out has been how cRWBY has shown aura depletion since Season 3. It was prominently shown during the tournament, most notably at the very end of the Yang vs. Mercury fight.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Spoiler: Volume 5 Yang Trailer

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Both of those answers are good and fair and admitidly I was super tired when I posted that since it was 2 in the morning.

I guess it feels silly to be that she isn't already good at some degree of punching since, again, she has super speed.

Spoiler: Yang Short

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No worries!

And you gotta keep in mind that Ruby's super speed doesn't work like most depictions, she's only super fast while using her Semblance (though she's probably the fastest or tied for fastest on her team with Blake). For the most part she doesn't seem capable of attacking while using it, aside from a single straightforward one as she's coming out of it which included trying to punch someone like that. The big problem being...its a very easy attack to predict so when her opponents can react Ruby has a problem which is probably why we don't really see her use it against people.

...that's why the most effective use of it so far was being as a Nora delivery service.

Her Speed attack works pretty good on Grim though but even then Ruby uses it for mobility and positioning. I'm waiting for Ruby to figure out how to incorporate her speed into her actual fighting more but right now it isn't wise to think of Ruby's Semblance as normal/traditional super speed at this point in time.

Ahh, Zodi quality..I'm actually looking forward to your reviews/reactions Zodi! For olyour overwhelming hatred of Sun if nothing else.

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: Yang Short

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No worries!

And you gotta keep in mind that Ruby's super speed doesn't work like most depictions, she's only super fast while using her Semblance (though she's probably the fastest or tied for fastest on her team with Blake). For the most part she doesn't seem capable of attacking while using it, aside from a single straightforward one as she's coming out of it which included trying to punch someone like that. The big problem being...its a very easy attack to predict so when her opponents can react Ruby has a problem which is probably why we don't really see her use it against people.

...that's why the most effective use of it so far was being as a Nora delivery service.

Her Speed attack works pretty good on Grim though but even then Ruby uses it for mobility and positioning. I'm waiting for Ruby to figure out how to incorporate her speed into her actual fighting more but right now it isn't wise to think of Ruby's Semblance as normal/traditional super speed at this point in time.

Ahh, Zodi quality..I'm actually looking forward to your reviews/reactions Zodi! For olyour overwhelming hatred of Sun if nothing else.

Someone please shoot the monkey.

Maybe it's just me but I've always been a little bugged by super speed not being shown to be as powerful as it is. Power is speed+force after all. But then I also like The Flash and he's had a hard time fighting a man who's power is "i have a cold gun" so you know. Some things are acceptable departures from reality.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Someone please shoot the monkey.

Maybe it's just me but I've always been a little bugged by super speed not being shown to be as powerful as it is. Power is speed+force after all. But then I also like The Flash and he's had a hard time fighting a man who's power is "i have a cold gun" so you know. Some things are acceptable departures from reality.

I have a friend the exact same way and I agree to an extent..that's also why Ruby's doesn't bother me cause its not shown like legitimate super speed but as its own thing.

[Ramza00]

Someone please shoot the monkey.

I don't get what you mean here... is it an idiom? Like there is a monkey on your back? Or not my monkeys, not my circus?