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2016-07-08, 03:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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I dont care she is female we need some sexy heroes who can wear and work with inappropriate gear ( aka we need more heroes like emma frost( without the telepath powers ))
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2016-07-08, 03:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Expecting cancellations is just the comic's fans' way of dulling the pain. Because by and large, new heroes don't last long. Expecting everything to go to hell and then being pleasantly surprised in the instances that it doesn't is a survival mechanism, I think .
Remember Robbie Reyes? The new Hispanic, likable, family-focused Ghost Rider that made the endlessly dumb Ghost Rider franchise actually worth reading? Dude's solo lasted 12 issues before the secret wars thing happened, where he became one of an ensemble of a dozen other Ghost Riders for four more issues, and from there, zip. There haven't been any plans mentioned to get him another book.
And Robbie's story is hardly unique.Last edited by Drascin; 2016-07-08 at 03:38 AM.
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Is it really necessary to point out again that she's only 15?
Cancellations I can accept, but I was talking about t209's fixation that the Marvel Universe is overdue for some sort of horrific grisly pointless deaths for the sake of upping the drama out of nowhere.Last edited by BiblioRook; 2016-07-08 at 04:54 AM.
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Of course they did. Why on Earth would they have done something as silly as doing a decent job like the Civil War movie did with him...?
She's an X-Man and therefore needs to be sent on a bus because they don't own the movie rights.
It is heavily indicated that IS actually what is happening, and since they are trying to get rid of (until they are no longer profitable to Fox (which is not likely to happen)) their most diverse set of characters (the X-Men), this may simple be another factor of that to "replace" the likes of Storm and whatnot...
But I really wish they would stop trying to replace existant characters with new ones or characters that already HAD their own identities... Supplement, yes, replace.. No.
Especially as the cynic in me is starting to see a little too much of a pattern... Thor, Cap, Iron Man (unholy crap they're trying to replace all of the Avengers, Hulk's got to be next, then), Wolverine... Miles I would only half-count, since he started out in an alternate universe and didn't directly replace Peter , which is fair enough play. (Though I'm not sure what happened post Battlenonsenseworld, I heard rumour he was going to co-exist in the main Marvel universe. Nick fury, I suppose, too; though Sam L Jackson is Suffiently Awesome I am prepared to give them a pass on that, since he is in the category (alongside BRIAN BLESSED and Jennifer Hale) as being Anything You Cast Him As Is Automatically Awesome.
Question, then: has Marvel attempted any legacy characters that were not a) originally white males and b) not replaced by someone who was not-white-males in the last ten or so years? I mean, all the aforementioned are big, visible names, but if this has happened with other lesser known characters then it's a bit more credible other than being basically just a publicity stunt which is starting to edge towards dodgy territory.
Ms Marvel, I guess, since she was promoted to Captain for Kamala's slot...
Any others people can think of?Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2016-07-08 at 05:17 AM.
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2016-07-08, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hate to break it to you, but the Hulk has been replaced for a while now
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You're not totally wrong, but not totally right, either. Yes, X-23 is now the new wolverine, but Old Man Logan is here, too. Thor Odinson still exists, he was last shown apparently captive of some aliens on a spaceship, though the goddess of thunder is definitely the prominent one. Amadeus Cho is Hulk, but Bruce Banner is still around (at the moment apparently completely cured of gamma power). Adult Peter Parker is still spider man, alongside Miles. Steve Rogers Captain America is still here, and restored to youth by a cosmic cube (to much controversy in his new title), alongside Sam Wilson. They haven't replaced any other characters that I can think of. It isn't determined whether or not Iron Man is being replaced, just that there is a new character with an armor suit (and Tony isn't shown in the promo picture that everyone is talking about, but neither are a lot of characters). If anything, she's likely replacing war machine (though it is possible that Civil War II might not turn out well for Tony, either).
But yes, they are clearly making a concerted effort to diversify the cast of their prominent heroes, even if the original white guys are still hanging around in some form.
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2016-07-08, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Adult Peter Parker is still spider man, alongside Miles.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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I kind of like her.
Her concept just seems cool to me "Child Prodigy is inspired by Tony Stark to build her own Iron Man Suit in her Dorm room with scraps." she sounds like exactly the kind of person that Tony would take on as a protege or successor.
I care about interesting characters, and this Riri girl sounds like she has a lot of spunk going for her.
Granted I think I would prefer them making new characters entirely, but I can also understand the feeling of attaching a pre-existing "brand" to them. That's the kind of the reason why they have team titles, because its comparatively easier to stick a new character on the team and see how they perform than try to see how they do on their own.
My sentiment is that, they're not really replacing characters, they're bringing in new characters with a recognizable chassis while the old guys are still around in more supportive roles.
It also does address one of the big problems with long-running comics, eventually the character runs low on stories you can tell with them. Solution, bring in a new character.Avatar based on artwork by Jabari Weathers
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Is parker still maried to marry jane or we have another gwen stacy to retcon again plus how about silk( peters class mate biten by same spider)
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2016-07-08, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, I had blocked that out of my mind for a moment; don't get me started oin that particular pile of utter crap. By far the absolute WORST Wolverine arc I have ever had to have the misfortune of reading (the bits where Dakin took over and shoved Wolverine out of his own title don't count becfause they the weren't actually, y'know, Wolverine), one that I was only not offended that thye put the concluding parts in a seperate book because I was just glad to get rid of it and they bring THAT bollocks out of Battlecrapworld. The most positive thing I can say about that particualr stain on the annuals of comic book history was that is was better than the Battleidioticworld version of Runaways in that I didn't specifically keep over the winter months until it was dry enough to take it out a ritually burn it.
The damnest part of it is - I actually LIKE X-23! I followed her solo series and would have kept on if they hadn't cancelled it. But by the time the post Battlestupidstupidstupidworld crap had finished up, the only reason I'm still reading anything Marvel at all is X-'92 because Jubilee and they are on their very, very, very last chance. (I nearly ragequit when in the second issue they made her a vampire again, but they earned enough brownie points back for making me laugh so hard at the end of that arc that they actually got a fraction of a point back.
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2016-07-08, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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And retconning Inhuman slavery and Eugenics to make them more like X-Men.
And failed to realize that they are basically making a group of elitist eugenics gas isolationists (let's not forget inbred) as marginalized minorities.
Let's see Kamala gets to smile at having cloned slave and getting assigned to lower caste (but not at the level as equivalent of Serf) even if she would be decent one.Last edited by t209; 2016-07-08 at 02:32 PM.
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2016-07-08, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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To clarify a few things:
Peter and Mary Jane haven't been an item for nearly a decade, but that is a whole other thing not worth getting into here as it's unrelated to the topic at hand. Currently as I mentioned Peter is more of a secondary Tony Stark as he's now something of a globe-trotting billionaire who has Spider-Man on 'retainer' as his 'bodyguard' to explain why they are always around the same places (he even has someone else who's job is to dress up and act like Spidey just so they can be seen together on occasion). Mary Jane? That's a bit weirder. Currently she is working for Tony Stark of all people and is a major character in his title. It's implied that there is still some form of communication between Peter and Mary Jane as she had access to his super-secret-emergency number which Stark had to get from her (to his surprise that they even knew each other), but I don't think that anything along those line has been really explained or explored yet.
Gwen Stacy exists as an alternate dimension version of herself where she got bitten by the spider and Peter was her ill-fated love interest (see SpiderGwen). She is aware of and can freely access the main dimension (she and Peter are aware of each other and have even met), but by in large she sticks to her own. Somewhat related to the thread, in her world this is her Captain America.
The current All-New All-Different Wolverine series (x-23) is actually really good. If you like her as a character you might possibly want to at least give it a chance.
As for OML, much like SpiderQwen and Miles he is an alternate dimension version of Wolverine (to clarify from, oh, a time displaced Wolverine I guess). He's basically a whole other character outside people going "Oh hey, you are like our own Wolverine only quite a bit different!". X-23 for one wants nothing to do with him because she considers him a cruel facsimile of the mentor that she lost, so another point in her favor?Last edited by BiblioRook; 2016-07-08 at 04:06 PM.
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2016-07-08, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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And that's exactly the problem. By killing Wolvie off and replacing him with a minus-infinity-rate knock off, they've denied us all the future interactions between Laura (and Jubilee) and Wolverine. And they never really explored anything like that properly, either, so it's not like there wre no untapped grounds. Where's my story arc with Laura, Jubes and Wolvie going off on a roadtrip or something (to deal with some sort of Bad Thing). Well, that ain't happening now, is it?
This is my fundemental problem with character death - it trades on using an emotional shock now (usually very poorly handled) verses the value of all the character's future interactions.
Rhodey is a grand case in point.
Spoiler: Civil War movie for the sake of arguementMy expectations for the movie were set to a low level in no small part to the fact I was fully expecting them to kill Rhodey (see, comics, this is where you've trained my mind to go). I was SO GLAD they didn't - not only it remove the shadow that had hung over my head for most of the movie, but it also allowed us that wonderful scene at the end with Rhodey and Tony, while Rhodey starts on the long process of healing.
So comics killing him off - won't ever give us that (outside of medium chance resurrection). I say "medium" because Banshee was a major X-Men since the very start and he's still dead as far as I know.)Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2016-07-08 at 03:03 PM.
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I like what they're doing with Old Man Logan now. He is convinced he is in the past of the future world he knows, and is trying to go about killing the people he thinks are responsible for what happens to his family and his world. Except, he keeps running into evidence that this world is not the same past as the one which led to his future.
The thing is, I don't think Marvel announcements usually say "we're replacing x with y". In most cases, they explicitly said the original character isn't leaving. People often get their information from second and third hand sources which sensationalize or outright misrepresent what is actually being said. The Steve Rogers Hydra thing is case-in-point. Not enough people go to the primary source and interpret it critically. This is compounded by a lack of experience with the current state of the comics and most of the characters, leading to often inaccurate assumptions about what they are doing with their stories and universe.
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I'm glad to see another Moon Girl fan here, and you might well be right that the character might do better if she doesn't get too into the superhero side of things.
A bit of a disagreement over characterizing the life she wants as "normal" even with quotation marks. The life she wants is an extraordinary one. Despite just being 8 or 9, she has already applied to the Future Foundation and MIT. Now MIT (along with the Future Foundation) turned her down, but given her talent and intelligence, they aren't going keep turning her down forever. By the time Lunella Lafayette is 15, she is basically going to be Riri, or at least that is what would have happened without Inhuman DNA and the pet dinosaur.
Given her potential and her commitment to helping other and stopping injustice, Moon Girl becoming a superhero is pretty much inevitable. Though, I concede, it might be better if that happened latter rather than sooner.
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2016-07-09, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well yeah, by 'normal' I meant in a 'go to college and pursue science' kind of way as compared to the 'constantly being in danger of being attacked by villeins and wack-jobs', I mean the majority of the series so far was entirely hinged on specifically trying to avoid getting superpowers, knowing she had Inhuman ancestry. Granted though that was more being aware just how much of a crap-shot Inhuman powers, given you were just as likely to develop the ability to foresee the future as you were to suddenly becoming a hideous tree monster. Now that it's over with with her not worst for the wear? Who knows.
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And retconning Inhuman slavery and Eugenics to make them more like X-Men.
And failed to realize that they are basically making a group of elitist eugenics gas isolationists (let's not forget inbred) as marginalized minorities.
Let's see Kamala gets to smile at having cloned slave and getting assigned to lower caste (but not at the level as equivalent of Serf) even if she would be decent one.
And as such, there are already a lot of arguments for having informal castes in the western world.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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Admittedly, I haven't read Iron Man since he joined the Guardians for a spell, but I can only get 67% behind this. Iron Man shouldn't be replaced by a teenager, even a genius one. If this isn't alegacy or a junior partner thing, but an out-and-out-replacement is foolish and reckless for Stark to back her.
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I'm told that the internet has free porn readily available for that sort of thing, we don't particularly need to encourage it in the comics. It's bad enough Greg Land traces it for his so-called artwork.
On the other hand, I'll bet Ryan Renolds!Deadpool would be more than happy to oblige, because if we're doing it for one gender, then we need to do it for both, so as make everyone equally uncomfortable (or not, if one's preference is not picky...)
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nah considering marvel universe similar to ours i think villainy becomes hobby to to much people thing about it just try to rob bank and deadpool with speedo tries to stop you no thanks mate i will pass that opportunity and change my city so I can forget the visual horror and the damn puns
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You know that only works with Emma Frost for she is a complete and utter narcissist who loves being the center of attention and people staring at her. She then also loves being an utter ******* to utter people for it fuels her narcissism and her feelings of self importance.
But that stuff ain't healthy and much of the stories about Emma Frost have explored how unhealthy she is and how her mind is completely messed up and it is her that is her source of being miserable.
So no on the skimpy super-heroine costume. I am sorry but as a male I can only tolerate so much of the Emma Frost / Psylocke / Wonder Woman outfits when these outfits seem to go the most extreme with how they show skin, legs and boobage.Stupendous Man drawn by Linklele
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