Steven UnIVerse: 4shadowing

[Keltest]

I can see Greg trying to explain the birds and the bees to her.

I feel like he would have an easier time explaining it through the literal science, leaving out the romantic connotations, or at least saving them for later.

[LaZodiac]

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She was in a very bad place. My heart just bled for her.

Her first line in the flashback was delivered with such absolute bitterness and hate it arguably makes "Isn't It Over" a better song. It's that effective a line.

[Benthesquid]

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Well, the baby would end up with a gaping hole in its stomach. That's not healthy, by any means.

Spoilers aside, I wonder: did Rose's gem change when it became Steven? Has he demonstrated any abilities Rose didn't have? Aside from walking through the forcefield on the gem ship, and fusing with humans, which are abilities from his human side rather than augmentations to the gem.

If the gem is still Rose, then if Steven died, technically she could reform from the gem.

I believe that Steven's telepathy/dream projection/possession abilities are new.

[Ravens_cry]

Rose had healing tears. Steven has

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healing spit.

Her first line in the flashback was delivered with such absolute bitterness and hate it arguably makes "Isn't It Over" a better song. It's that effective a line.

As if it wasn't enough of a gut punch!

[Flickerdart]

Rose had healing tears. Steven has

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healing spit.

No. Steven has

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a healing KISS. It's even in the title of the episode - An Indirect Kiss.

[Keltest]

No. Steven has

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a healing KISS. It's even in the title of the episode - An Indirect Kiss.

No, its definitely the spit, unless there is some fancy kiss related name for licking your hand and touching someone with it?

[Draconi Redfir]

On the flip side-- I have a friend named Terry. It is not short for Terrance.

Oh wow Digo. I didn't know we knew eachother

I feel like he would have an easier time explaining it through the literal science, leaving out the romantic connotations, or at least saving them for later.

Given the armor of the fallen, and sevral words from the other gems in the young-greg flashbacks, i think it's safe to say Rose knew what was what, after having many human lovers before Greg.

As for Steven's Gem, it's a popular theory that Rose might come back after he dies, though it is stated in a book somewhere that Rose completely removed her "program" and replaced it with Steven's. Who knows.

[Ravens_cry]

No. Steven has

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a healing KISS. It's even in the title of the episode - An Indirect Kiss.

Nope. Watch the episode.

[Friv]

No. Steven has

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a healing KISS. It's even in the title of the episode - An Indirect Kiss.

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An 'indirect kiss' is a situation in which you eat or drink something (or I guess lick something, but it's usually food or beverages) after another person does. Because their spit is still on the thing, it's like you're kissing them one-step removed.

The episode title refers to Steven's healing spit, which heals Connie when she shares his juice.

[Chromascope3D]

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An 'indirect kiss' is a situation in which you eat or drink something (or I guess lick something, but it's usually food or beverages) after another person does. Because their spit is still on the thing, it's like you're kissing them one-step removed.

The episode title refers to Steven's healing spit, which heals Connie when she shares his juice.

The literal healing mechanism is the saliva, but I believe the implication is that it's meant to be delivered via kiss, or at the very least, is a specific reference to or deconstruction of the healing kiss trope. Thus, i believe that either form can be considered to be correct.

[Razade]

The literal healing mechanism is the saliva, but I believe the implication is that it's meant to be delivered via kiss, or at the very least, is a specific reference to or deconstruction of the healing kiss trope. Thus, i believe that either form can be considered to be correct.

Steven shouts "I have healing spit!". Every time we see him use it he has to have it outside his mouth. It isn't his kiss that's healing, it's the spit that transfers via kiss.

[Chromascope3D]

Steven shouts "I have healing spit!". Every time we see him use it he has to have it outside his mouth. It isn't his kiss that's healing, it's the spit that transfers via kiss.

That's literally what I said.

[Ravens_cry]

Any word when the next'll be? I know it's been talked about as unto death and beyond, but this stop start schedule is like being in a car with a standard transmission, driven by someone who does not drive standard.

[LaZodiac]

Any word when the next'll be? I know it's been talked about as unto death and beyond, but this stop start schedule is like being in a car with a standard transmission, driven by someone who does not drive standard.

Theoretically tomorrow but I can't find any info on it.

[Ravens_cry]

Theoretically tomorrow but I can't find any info on it.

That makes it VERY unlikely then. They promote the living spit out of this.

[Draconi Redfir]

Encountered this (maybe kinda NSFW if you consider underwear NSFW? only exists in one corner of the image anyways) image of Peridot on tumblr today. And i gotta say. DAYUM she pretty!

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Drawn by Hopebiscut

[DigoDragon]

Encountered this (maybe kinda NSFW if you consider underwear NSFW? only exists in one corner of the image anyways) image of Peridot on tumblr today. And i gotta say. DAYUM she pretty!

Loving that hair style. Suits her I think.

[Draconi Redfir]

i know right? Think my personal favourite part though has to be the outfit, just looks amazing in general, and she's rocking it.

[Rater202]

So, the thought occurs to me that baby Steven crying the first time he sees Ruby and Saphire--most likely becuase as a baby he lacked object permanence and thus, when Garnet vanished he thought she was gone forever--might contribute to why the Gems kept Garnets status as a fusion secret from him and why Ruby and Garnet reacted/said certain things--part of the reason why Ruby didn't want Steven to look at her, Garnet saying "We dind't want you to meet us like this" after refusing.

If the Gems thought it was Garnet's status as a fusion that had upset Baby Steven, they might want to make absolutely sure they're in control of how he finds out when he's old enough to have consistent memory. Don't want to upset him--and if it upset him again, it would probably be hell on Garnet, too.

Considering that Garnet becomes... more openly emotional, I think, in episodes following Jailbreak, I have to wonder if she hadn't been, on some level, worried about how Steven would react when he found for sure--maybe a few timelines she forsaw where Steven reacted poorly? I mean, chances are slim but so were the chances of Baseball happening in Hit the Diamond says Sapphire, and regardless worries aren't rational.

[LaZodiac]

I kinda figured that was obvious after that scene, but good to say it. It makes so much sense, and the idea that part of why Garnet was so stoic is because she's afraid of doing something that might hurt him is fantastic.

[Ravens_cry]

I kinda figured that was obvious after that scene, but good to say it. It makes so much sense, and the idea that part of why Garnet was so stoic is because she's afraid of doing something that might hurt him is fantastic.

And she knows so many things that could hurt him. Futurevision™, yo.

[Manga Shoggoth]

...why Ruby and Garnet reacted/said certain things--part of the reason why Ruby didn't want Steven to look at her, Garnet saying "We dind't want you to meet us like this" after refusing.

While I agree that the Gems likely kept Garnet's status as a fusion secret partly as a result of Steven's reaction here, the Gems had planned that they were going to reveal Sapphire and Ruby on his upcoming birthday. The reactions in The Return/Jailbreak were a response to the surprise being lost. It's even referenced at the end of Jailbreak.

[LaZodiac]

IT'S HAPPENING!

Finally.

[Manga Shoggoth]

About time. These big gaps would be more bearable if they actually gave us some idea of when the series is going to be back.

[DigoDragon]

Nice, five new episodes to look forward to. I'll have to prep the dvr.

[Aquillion]

Also, the promo materials have hinted that...

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...these episodes focus on Jasper, and may focus on her being healed and / or redeemed.

[Keltest]

Also, the promo materials have hinted that...

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...these episodes focus on Jasper, and may focus on her being healed and / or redeemed.

you know, it may just be me, but... I kind of don't want to see Jasper redeemed. it would leave a bit of a foul taste in my mouth if Steven was magically able to override centuries of indoctrination over a course of weeks or months. Let Jasper be a villain who is defeated and stays that way.

[John Cribati]

*bites tongue throught first several potential responses*

Okay, I think k I found one that won't start drama:

You do realize you're talking about a boy who, within the space of a single day, take a person who had been effectively mentally ill for THOUSANDS OF YEARS and set them on the road to working as a Crystal Gem, with nothing but the power of his own empathy to guide him.

I mean, Jasper obviously has more to her story. Why leave that hanging?

[Manga Shoggoth]

you know, it may just be me, but... I kind of don't want to see Jasper redeemed. it would leave a bit of a foul taste in my mouth if Steven was magically able to override centuries of indoctrination over a course of weeks or months. Let Jasper be a villain who is defeated and stays that way.

I'm torn on this.

Personally: I'm not keen on the "everybody redeemed" line some shows take (I was very pleased when MLP - a show notorious for at least partial redemption of characters - didn't take this route in the recent season finale). I don't think it is a good thing to put forward in a children's show - teach that some people won't (not can't) be redeemed - they want to stay as they are.

Against Redemption: Jasper the Perfect Quartz is an excelent foil for Amythest. Amythest needs to learn not to measure herself against Jasper, Steven has to learn that there is "Can't" (Centipeedle - for now) and "Won't" (Jasper).

On the other hand...

Pro Redemption: Jasper is already showing some serious flaws in her psyche - She is lonely, still devastated from Pink Diamond's shattering, and possibly abgry at the corruption of gems on Earth. However, she still has a strong belief in "rightness" of the Diamond authority, and seems to believe that the corruption is something to do with the Crystal Gems, not the Diamonds.

That, I think, is the lynchpin. All the other Gems who have expressed an opinion seem to know - or have worked out - that the corruption is due to the Diamonds. This knowledge was enough to drive Centipeedle - a loyal Homeworlder as far as we know - into hating the Diamonds. Once Jasper realises that the corruption she has undergone is ultimately down to the Diamonds, not the Crystal Gems, that may be the start of her turning away from Homeworld.

Unredeemed Jasper really only has a few storylines she can take up - personal foil to Amythest and recurring adversary. The first of these is interesting and also useful for Amythest's character development, but then starts to be a bit of a dead end. Recurring adversary, less so: We already have Homeworld itself in that role.

Jasper's redemption could be a very good story, though. Peridot's redemption we saw largely in reverse - We saw her suddenly lose faith in the Diamonds, and then everthing was in reaction to that. With Jasper we have time to see a slower, more developed change.

A side thought on this: The series has treated the recurring Homeworld characters differently:

• Jasper: Currently loyal to Homeworld, and completely unrepentant.
• Peridot: Loyal to Earth, having lost faith in the Diamonds when Yellow Diamond turned out to be more interested in revenge than impartial efficiency. Has since started to discover her own individuallity.
• Lapis: Possibly neutral. No longer cares much for Homeworld after a huge amount of abuse, but also wary of the Crystal Gems. Doesn't care overmuch for Earth, but chooses to stay there for Steven.
• Centipeedle: Not clear - originally loyal to Homeworld, but after the Diamond's actions does not seem to be over-fond of them.

[DigoDragon]

Lapis: Possibly neutral. No longer cares much for Homeworld after a huge amount of abuse, but also wary of the Crystal Gems. Doesn't care overmuch for Earth, but chooses to stay there for Steven.

I dunno if still neutral, Lapis seems to be warming up to the Crystal Gems and Earth in the latest episodes with her.