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2017-04-10, 03:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Simple RAW 3
Thanks. For some reason, I've been reading this spell so wrong for a long time. Then again, we haven't had a warlock in our group before, so there haven't been a situation where this would've come up. Anyway, thanks. It seems that I have seriously underestimated the spell.
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2017-04-10, 06:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Simple RAW 3
For further clarification (for readers who want it), Armour of Agathys does the full damage even if some of the temporary hit points it grants have been lost.
Example: a 9th level warlock cast AofA on herself; the Pact Magic slot is 5th level so AofA grants 25 temporary hit points AND any creature hitting her with a melee attack takes 25 cold damage. This is the case every time she is hit for as long as the spell lasts, but the spell ends early if those temporary hit points are all gone (or are replaced by a different set of temporary hit points from a different source).
She is hit by an arrow for 7 damage. She now only has 18 THP, but the attacker did not take any cold damage because it was not a melee attack.
Next, she is hit with a greatsword for 12 damage. She is down to 6 THP, but the attacker takes the full 25 cold damage.
Then she is hit by a shortsword for 5 damage. She is down to 1 THP and the attacker takes 25 cold damage.
Then she is hit by a greatsword crit for 20 damage! She loses her last THP and 19 from her actual hit points, but the attacker takes 25 cold damage because AofA was still active when she was hit.
Since the THP granted by the spell are now all gone, AofA has ended. Any further hit she takes will not cause the attacker any cold damage.
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2017-04-10, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Simple RAW 3
Otherwise that's how I re-read it too, BUT, any other source than AofA that grants temporary hit points does not, to my understanding, prolong the duration of AofA. Gaining THP from False Life, for example, is not added to the remaining THP of AofA. THP do not stack, unless mentioned otherwise (and as I recall, there isn't any official ability that says otherwise)
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My Homebrew:
Base Class: Warlord | Roguish Archetype: Inquisitor | Roguish Archetype: Thug | Primal Path: Rage Mage
Ongoing game & character:
Sajan Uttam, human Monk 6/Fist of Irori 3 (Legacy of Fire)
D&D/Pathfinder CV of sorts
3.0 since 2002
3.5 since 2003
4e since 2008
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5e since 2014
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2017-04-10, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Simple RAW 3
Q160 - Chains of Carceri wording
Prerequisite: 15th level, Pact of the Chain feature
You can cast Hold Monster at will—targeting a celestial, fiend, or elemental—without expending a spell slot or material Components. You must finish a Long Rest before you can use this invocation on the same creature again.
E.g. there are 2 fiends.
In the literal interpretation, you would be able to hold both of them once.
However, I believe the intended use would mean that after you have held the first fiend, you would have to rest before you could hold the second.
BUT you are still able to holdba celestial or an elemental once each, before resting.
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2017-04-10, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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RAW, a "creature" is different from a "type of creature", so you could hold unlimited different celestials for instance. Too bad that hold person is concentration and you can't concentrate at the same time on two or more spells, even if they are the same spell.Last edited by Lombra; 2017-04-10 at 12:34 PM.
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2017-04-10, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, so your saying the literal translation is correct?
That's VERY powerful!
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2017-04-11, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Q161 If I ask a friend to summon monsters and order them to attack me... would I get xp from killing them?
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2017-04-11, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Q162
Can you choose not to use bonuses to your rolls if you have them, or do you always have to use the additives?
Ex. Warlock has Agonizing blast and Repelling Blast and just wants to blast a team mate to move him 10 feet for some reason.
Do you HAVE to roll the + Cha bonus from Agonizing blast or can you choose to just roll the D10?
Ex. You are rolling a skill check against a team mate but you want to let them win, can you roll and ignore your proficiency or expertise if you have it?
Ex. You are rolling to hit an NPC but do not want to hurt them very bad, do I have to add my stat to the damage if I don't want to?
Thanks for your time.
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2017-04-11, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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A 161 The ability to summon creatures affects the CR and xp of the creature that summons them. They don't grant any extra xp. So basically you would need to calculate the CR of your friend, get through all his minions, and then defeat him to get xp. I forget where it's at, but you also can't ever get xp for the same creature again. So if you don't kill your friend, you won't get xp the next time you defeat him. Now whether you can actually get xp for defeating another PC... I'm not sure that's addressed in the RAW but I imagine most DMs won't allow it.
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Maybe. Depends on the wording of the specific ability.
Do you HAVE to roll the + Cha bonus from Agonizing blast or can you choose to just roll the D10?
If the latter, then no, you don't have the choice not to add it.
Ex. You are rolling a skill check against a team mate but you want to let them win, can you roll and ignore your proficiency or expertise if you have it?
Ex. You are rolling to hit an NPC but do not want to hurt them very bad, do I have to add my stat to the damage if I don't want to?If you cast Dispel Magic on my Gust of Wind, does that mean you're disgusting?
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2017-04-11, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was thinking that if your friends doesn't take any other action after summoning the monster, your foe would be the summoned creature alone, not the summoner... but I guess your answer makes sense from a RAW point of view (and from an "avoiding xp farming" point of view...).
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2017-04-12, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Q163
When casting conjure elemental, does the conjuror need to be able to speak a language that the elemental understands in order to give it verbal commands?
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2017-04-12, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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A 163 It doesn't matter what language you speak the commands in.
"It obeys any verbal commands that you issue to it (no action required by you)."If you cast Dispel Magic on my Gust of Wind, does that mean you're disgusting?
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2017-04-12, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Q164 How does Spellturning work for the sake of type of creature a spell affect? (For example, i cast a Beast only spell on a Crag Cat, and it pass the save -Affecting the caster with the spell-)
Q165 In the same case of Spellturning, when a spell is reflected, who is the caster (For the spell sake?) the original caster or the creature that reflected the spell? (And what happens if its a concentration based spell? does the creature that reflect the spell holds the Concentration?)
Q166 Can a Female / Male Steeder be affected by the Jump Spell (tripple jump distance) and use its Leap ability (forfeit all its movement to jump) to increase the distance of the jump up to 3 times? Having in mind that the Leap ability mentions:
Leap. The steeder can expend all its movement on its turn to jump up to 90/60 (if male) feet vertically or horizontally, provided that its speed is at least 30 feet.
And the Jump spell says: You touch a creature, the creature’s jump distance is tripled until the spell ends.Last edited by Maxilian; 2017-04-12 at 11:07 AM.
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You are asking the DM to add the Milestone system.
Note: No, as you are still the summoner (But if you beat the summoner, yourself, you would get the exp, but only if you were not defeated, but as you were not defeated, you won't get exp for defeating yourself, and even if you do, you won't get exp cause you are defeated.)
Note2: Ignoring the stupidity of the above note, no, cause.... as you are the summoner, the exp will be added to the CR of the summoner (So... to you, so if you get killed by your party, your party will get more exp, not you)
Note3: If you happen to summon an elemental (lets say a fire elemental) and you lose control of it and it start attacking you, and you defeat it, you won't get exp either.
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2017-04-13, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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From the PHB p198:-
"Healing can’t restore temporary hit points, and they can’t be added together. If you have temporary hit points and receive more of them, you decide whether to keep the ones you have or to gain the new ones. For example, if a spell grants you 12 temporary hit points when you already have 10, you can have 12 or 10, not 22."
The warlock in my previous example happens to have a fiendish patron. From Dark One's Blessing, she gains 12 THP whenever she reduces a hostile creature to 0 hp.
From the rules for THP, if she gains THP while she already has some, she must choose to either keep the old THP and not gain the new lot, OR take the new lot and lose the THP she already has.
So, if she is down to, say, 1 THP remaining from AofA, and then takes an enemy to 0 hp, she has a choice: either keep the single THP from AofA and ignore the new 12 THP from DOB, OR take the new 12 and lose the single THP from AofA.
Why would anyone choose to have 1 THP when they can have 12?
Because AofA ends as soon as the THP it grants are gone. So if she takes the new 12 THP then AofA is over and baddies can hit her without taking any cold damage. But if she keeps the single THP from AofA and ignores the new 12 from DOB then she has fewer THP but the next person to hit her in melee takes 25 cold damage.
Choose wisely!
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2017-04-13, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Q168
Are the warlock's invocations based on warlock class level or character level?
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2017-04-13, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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A168
Assuming that you're talking about the level restrictions on the invocations, you must be Warlock Level X if the invocation requires "Level X".
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2017-04-13, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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A168: Warlock level
"Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the invocations you know and replace it with another invocation that you could learn at that level. A level prerequisite in an invocation refers to warlock level, not character level."
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2017-04-13, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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As far as I can tell, Warlock level, but it's pretty shaky.
At 2nd level, you gain two eldritch invocations of your choice. Your invocation options are detailed at the end of the class description. When you gain certain warlock levels, you gain additional invocations of your choice, as shown in the invocations known column of the Warlock table.
Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the invocations you know and replace it with another invocation that you could learn at that level.
Eldritch Invocations (p. 110). A level prerequisite in an invocation refers to warlock level, not character level.
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2017-04-17, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Q169 - Levelling - Constitution HP
Each time you gain a level, you gain 1 additional Hit Die. Roll that Hit Die, add your Constitution modifier to the roll, and add the total to your hit point maximum. Alternatively, you can use the fixed value shown in your class entry, which is the average result of the die roll (rounded up).
When your Constitution modifier increases by 1, your hit point maximum increases by 1 for each level you have attained. For example, if your 7th-level Fighter has a Constitution score of 17, when he reaches 8th level, he increases his Constitution score from 17 to 18, thus increasing his Constitution modifier from +3 to +4. His hit point maximum then increases by 8.
My current Con is 17 (+3)
so here is the question:
If I increase my con score (and therefore the mod from +3 to +4), do I roll the hit die I gain for levelling with a +4 as per my new con mod? Or as a +3 as per my old con mod, because the con mod increase increases my HP max by +1 for each level, which will include the level I have currently attained?
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2017-04-17, 03:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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A169
As I understand it, you're asking whether the order in which ASI and hit dice rolling is done should lead to an additional point of health on levels when your CON modifier increases.
The order in which these ideas are presented in the PHB with hit dice covered first, and ASIs covered next, would seem to suggest the order of operations is to first roll the die with +3, and then increase CON, which would in this case add +1 health per level.
I can't offer any more RAW answer than that, except to say that this strikes me as very intuitive. Additionally, the hitpoints of all Monsters are calculated in such a way that their CON modifier is used once for every hit die they have. So a creature with 5d8 hit dice and a +1 CON modifier has 5d8+5 health in its stat block.Last edited by TrinculoLives; 2017-04-17 at 03:35 AM.
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The RAW answer is that when your constitution increases you act as though your constitution had ALWAYS been that score. From the Constitution section of the SRD:
Originally Posted by The Constitution SectionLast edited by Flashy; 2017-04-17 at 11:14 PM.
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Ah, so the order is ASI >>> Hit Die rolling.
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