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Thread: One Piece V: Black Leg Wedding
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2018-06-19, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-06-21, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: BonnieRemember that Bonnie's power is controlling her age, not shape shifting to look like different humans. I think that if she could disguise herself as a queen mother (as in the mother to the queen or king) by making herself supper old its because she herself would look like said queen when she actually becomes that age. This makes me think there is a real queen mother Conney and Bonnie is related to her. (The similar names don't hurt this either.) Which might in turn also make her related to Kuma given that he was once a king of the same kingdom. This would explain why a pirate (not revolutionary) that hasn't shown much of a moral compass before now would find Kuma's treatment unforgivable.
That's just my theory though. And at least part of it may depend on the accuracy of the translations I read.
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2018-06-21, 06:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bonnie's power is to age...so far people but maybe more. She aged the Marines at the Archipelago. So her powers extend beyond herself but how they work we don't know.
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2018-06-21, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Remember that Bonnie's power is controlling her age, not shape shifting to look like different humans. I think that if she could disguise herself as a queen mother (as in the mother to the queen or king) by making herself supper old its because she herself would look like said queen when she actually becomes that age. This makes me think there is a real queen mother Conney and Bonnie is related to her. (The similar names don't hurt this either.) Which might in turn also make her related to Kuma given that he was once a king of the same kingdom. This would explain why a pirate (not revolutionary) that hasn't shown much of a moral compass before now would find Kuma's treatment unforgivable.
That's just my theory though. And at least part of it may depend on the accuracy of the translations I read.
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2018-06-21, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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When I first saw her I guessed she ate the fruit at a young age. She always struck me as very immature, so I could see her being say, 10, eating the fruit, and thinking that if she makes herself look older, she can go on adventures.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2018-06-21, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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You dont develop the fighting or leadership skills to reach the status of supernova at such a young age.
And Bonnie is worthy of that status. She correctly read the situation when Zorro were about to create a incident by slicing a celestrial dragon.
She knocked him out of course, stobbing both Zorro from slicing the moron, and the moron from shooting anyone.
And then with only seconds warning she came up with a sob story to make the moron dragon think he won and wander off.
Thats not the act of someone immature.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2018-06-21, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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At the time we had no way of judging how long she had been adventuring for. Her devil fruit ability is a pretty scary one in a fight, As well we never actually saw her really fight, I think we see her unleash her power o some marines and age them, but its not like she was double fisting pistols while kick flipping all over the place, and just because the straw hat crew are morons with no idea of how celestial dragons work doesnt mean even a youngish child wouldnt know full well how that was going to end. And her story was to act like a little girl. Which, if she IS really a little girl, wouldnt be much of a plan.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2018-06-22, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not that I totally buy into the story of her being a child, I think in anime "a kid couldn't think of that" is a poor argument.
That said, I'd also consider the opposite : her actually being old / the queen pretending to be a young supernova (for some reason). Not that there is strong evidence for either. And her being queen and supernova would be a little hard to pull off.
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2018-06-22, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-06-22, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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One thing I'm wondering. Can Bonney's DF also adjust one's life expectancy? That is, if she actually is a decrepit old woman, would changing into a younger woman also delay her death? If that's the case, it would be interesting how that would interact with Big Mam's DF.
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2018-06-29, 07:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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New chapter. Love the disguises, especially "the salesman".
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2018-06-29, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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At the time we had no way of judging how long she had been adventuring for. Her devil fruit ability is a pretty scary one in a fight, As well we never actually saw her really fight, I think we see her unleash her power o some marines and age them, but its not like she was double fisting pistols while kick flipping all over the place, and just because the straw hat crew are morons with no idea of how celestial dragons work doesnt mean even a youngish child wouldnt know full well how that was going to end. And her story was to act like a little girl. Which, if she IS really a little girl, wouldnt be much of a plan.
And it does take wit to come up with the plan in the split second she had. That is -not- something a child can manage. Most adults would have trouble keeping their head calm after almost having been shoot.
Furthermore, that still leaves the skill needed to interupt Zorro in murdering someone. Thats not something a child should be able to handle either. His killing intent was strong enough to impress every other supernova present. A child should have left crying for her mother, not rushed in to knock the swordmonster down.
It also does take leadership skills to actually run a successful crew of pirates.
New chapter. Love the disguises, especially "the salesman".
Far to long since we last saw Zorro in action, glad he is still causing chaosthnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2018-06-30, 06:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well it seems like they actually managed to capture him and get him to play along until the last moment before his execution, and on wrong accusations to boot, so that must be a new record for Zorro not causing chaos.
Also seems like this'll be the the time for the not-samurai to shine in not-ancient-Japan where certainly sword skills are as respected as cooking skills in Big Momma's land.
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2018-06-30, 06:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Meh, she has still had probably a year or so worth of experience on the high seas as a pirate captain, there is a steep learning curve there. She survived, so clearly she has learned how to come up with plans on the fly. And "Tackle the idiot before he gets us all killed and act my age" isnt the most complex plan around. Just because the other supernovas were unwilling to do anything doesnt mean they were unable. And again, killing intent or no, this isnt her first day as a pirate, she has faced killing intent before. As for a successful crew of pirates, we dont know all that much about what she has DONE as a pirate by that point. For all we know she has her crew bullied into obeying her under threat of being turned into a chibi or an octogenarian, and they have spent all this time picking fights on weak townies and such raiding small ports. Enough to earn a bounty, enough to get into a few fights, but nothing on par with the insanity luffy had gone through. Hell, from what i recall most of kids bounty is due to him being a vicious mass murdering lunatic, not being some sort of super influential pirate who has altered the balance of power throughout the seas.
Bottom line, none of that confirms my theory, but nothing disproves it either, so im going with that as head cannon till otherwise explained in universe."Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2018-06-30, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bottom line, none of that confirms my theory, but nothing disproves it either, so im going with that as head cannon till otherwise explained in universe.
And we have a lot of things that points against the theory. Like skills a little kid should not posses, or be mature enough to posses.
While not having anything that actually supports the theory.
I mean, its not even because she acts like a little girl. She acted more mature than anyone else at the plaza in your version where the other supernova could have done something, but chose not to do so.
And knocking Zorro down before he murders someone -is- an extremely impressive feat. Even before the time skip Zorro were one of the strongest people in the world. The sort you needed and army to stop.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2018-06-30, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Are... are you joking? Zorro wasnt within light years of being one of the strongest. He was strong enough and determined enough to gain mihawks attention maybe, but seriously? He was a big fish in a small pond at best at sabaody. And then he proceeded to get curb stomped by an admiral (you know, one of the ACTUAL strongest around) who wasnt even putting the slightest effort into the fight. Maybe among the supernovas he ranks high up, i will grant you that, but they were all strong ROOKIES, all of whom got their happy butts handed to them by the new world in various manners. It wasnt a lack of maturity that caused them to stand aside, it wasnt even fear. A bit of it was shock that someone would be that crazy, a bit more was the fact that all of them seemed to be getting into fights and they wanted to see how this would go. Notice none of them did anything to stop luffy either? Her personality at sabaody was more brat than badass captain. Even when she was explaining things to zoro thats how she came across. She talks like a brat, acts like a greedy brat, and can control her age at will.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2018-07-01, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Are... are you joking? Zorro wasnt within light years of being one of the strongest. He was strong enough and determined enough to gain mihawks attention maybe, but seriously? He was a big fish in a small pond at best at sabaody. And then he proceeded to get curb stomped by an admiral (you know, one of the ACTUAL strongest around) who wasnt even putting the slightest effort into the fight. Maybe among the supernovas he ranks high up, i will grant you that, but they were all strong ROOKIES, all of whom got their happy butts handed to them by the new world in various manners.
Absolutely zero. The waste majority of people are level 1 grunts or civilians. The story just focuses on the top 0.1% of the world.
It wasnt a lack of maturity that caused them to stand aside, it wasnt even fear. A bit of it was shock that someone would be that crazy, a bit more was the fact that all of them seemed to be getting into fights and they wanted to see how this would go. Notice none of them did anything to stop luffy either?
Her personality at sabaody was more brat than badass captain. Even when she was explaining things to zoro thats how she came across. She talks like a brat, acts like a greedy brat, and can control her age at will.
And she does not come off as a kid when she explains things to Zorro. She is more like Nami there. Annoyed at how stupid a fellow pirate can be.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2018-07-01, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Meh, keep in mind the straw hat crew were all teenagers aside from robin franky and brook pre timeskip. Nami was 17-18 at the time. So hardly a mature matron herself. Also, im not trying to say bonnie was like, a 6 year old. I would be willing to go as high as 12-14 as I know a rather large number of teenage girls who can act like 6 year olds at times. But her character just strikes me as younger than it appears. Old enough to be able to figure out a way to go to sea, with a devil fruit powerful enough to protect her. Give her a year or two at sea to learn from the school of hard knocks and there you go. Even her wiki page lists her age as an estimate, meaning its being kept unknown intentionally and probably being formed by what her usual appearance would suggest. Also, that 12-14 age range fits in well with a lot of protagonist ages in various anime. So its not impossible from a genre angle. Naruto was 12 at the start of his adventure. He was like, 17 when he became the worlds most powerful ninja. Ichigo was 15 at the start of his adventure.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2018-07-02, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Good chapter! Excited for Japan adventures! Not much to say otherwise personally.
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2018-07-07, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: New ChapterSeriously, with the homages to art and local legends, Oda couldn't possibly make Wano any more Japanese if he tried.
Cutting the pages out is a clever way for Oda to make sure that the SH crew missed the news about Big Mom going to Wano. Also, Oda lampshading through this chapter that plenty of the SH allies are conveniently present in the Reverie.
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2018-07-10, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerThis chapter was beautiful from an art perspective, and a fantastic way to introduce us to Wano proper. Surprised we're back with the main crew so fast though.
AN ANIMAL WITH A KATANA! THIS MUST BE WANO!
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2018-07-12, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I'm excited for Wano and seeing the other half of the gang again but...
Wow is this week's update a tower of tropes and clichees. I don't think Oda could have fit in more if he tried.
Still looking forward to the arc, though.
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2018-07-13, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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The plot thickens!
SpoilerSeems like we're getting at least one other Supernova per Arc showing up. I'm intrigued if Hawkins has sided with Kaidou for real or if he's just waiting for a chance to backstab him. And we may well run into Kidd, Drake and Apoo, too - in addition to the Luffy-Law-alliance. Looks like the Worst Generation is set to really shake things up now.
Also: Weird animals, very weird power by that girl-who-wants-to-be-a-ninja, and a Samurai who seems even more strange than the ones we've met before. Also: People who know Ace! And haven't heard of his demise, because isolationism.
So yeah. Exciting and breakneck-fast storytelling as always.You are a Rose, You are a blade
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2018-07-13, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerI'm counting 8 supernovas that has to do with Kaido at the moment: Luffy, Zorro, Law, Hawkins, Kidd, Killer, X Drake, and Apoo. Not surprising, what with Oda saying the Wano arc having a big war that will make Marineford battle look cute in comparison. Wasn't Hawkins the one with future-reading powers way back then? If so, all his moves are pretty much calculated, including defecting to Kaido and possibly teaming up with Luffy now. Hawkins-Luffy alliance is definitely something I didn't know I wanted until now.
With the mooks so casually discussing selling O-Tama to the Red Light District and the effects of pollution from Kaido's factory, looks like Oda now crosses "sexual trafficking of children" and "environmentally/ecologically insensitive megapower" off his list of "things to show how crapsack New World is". I wonder how many he has left on that list?
O-Tama is definitely an homage to Momotaro, what with her millet dumpling DF used to tame the monkey/baboon, and possibly the dog/lion if we base it on the Momotaro folklore. The Ace connection is brilliant. Did he teach her how to weave, did they have the same teachers, or did toddler O-Tama somehow teach ace?
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2018-07-14, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerNot only is there a reference to Momotaro (kibidango making animals your friend), but with Tama living in poverty selling hats, I can't help but think of Kasajizo too. I figure it's almost certainly intentional. Oda's laying it on thick here.Editor and playtester for Legend.
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2018-07-16, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerWhat if she (or her master) made the straw hat?
But yeah this chapter was really fun. We also got a super cute colour page of Luffy running past everyone because a cat stole his taco and that's really funny.
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2018-07-20, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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And the adventure continues.
I love the lizard steeds.
And in contrast to Mama's "murderous Wonderland", Kaido's therritory theme is "industrial Mordor."
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2018-07-23, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm really liking Wano so far. I hope the cute little girl gets a happy ending in this story.
Also ****ing god bless Zoro I missed him so much. VERILY!
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2018-07-24, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm also glad to see Zoro again. But I'm curious how this will fight will go, considering it doesn't seem like either side will run away. Or will it just be a "the strawhats are OP" demonstration?
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2018-07-24, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well..Zoro is a fan favorite who have been away for more than a year real time as i recall?
It is likely at least partly for the fans we are given a chance to see him fight side by side with Luffy again.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar