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    Are there other ways to get the shadow jump ability, from the Telflammar Shadowlord PrC, apart from going into the PrC itself?

    I’m interested in either replicating shadow jump or finding an equivalent ability to travel instantly between shadows, and I’m open to all official content from 3.5 and Pathfinder.

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    Default Re: Other Ways to Get Shadow Jump?

    For 3.5 you also have the Crinti Shadow Marauder and Shadowdancer PrC.

    Pathfinder has Shadowdancer as well, with some improvements.
    I felt like there was an option for this as a Rogue talent/archetype added in Blood of Shadows or something similar, but I'm having trouble finding it.

    EDIT: I believe I was thinking of the Shadow Scion rogue archetype in Legacy of the First World (Pathfinder Player Companion), with the ability "Shadow Step". That ability, however, does not actually relate to jumping from shadows to shadows, but traveling through the Shadow Plane and does not require starting or ending in a shadow.
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    Will Shadow Jaunt and the follow-up maneuvers work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    Are there other ways to get the shadow jump ability, from the Telflammar Shadowlord PrC, apart from going into the PrC itself?

    I’m interested in either replicating shadow jump or finding an equivalent ability to travel instantly between shadows, and I’m open to all official content from 3.5 and Pathfinder.
    Well, Shadow Jump is 'as dimension door', so Sorcerors, Wizards, Bards, Clerics of the Travel domain, Archivists (copying one of the former), Factotum, Totemists, and maybe a few others, can emulate the ability. Swordsages can acquire a very similar ability ability to Teleport around. Monks have the ability so simulate Dimension Door a few days when you've invested way too many levels into the class. Shadowdancer PRC has a completely identical ability to the Shadowlord's.
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    Is this for the purpose of using shadow pounce as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manyasone View Post
    Is this for the purpose of using shadow pounce as well?
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    Originally Posted by Xethik
    I believe I was thinking of the Shadow Scion rogue archetype in Legacy of the First World (Pathfinder Player Companion), with the ability "Shadow Step".
    Okay, thanks—it looks like this is based on the Shadow Step spell.

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    Will Shadow Jaunt and the follow-up maneuvers work?
    My first instinct would be no, since I’m not a ToB fan.

    However, this essentially does what I want it to, and it seems to come online fairly early—maybe third or fourth level?

    Originally Posted by Manyasone
    Is this for the purpose of using shadow pounce as well?
    Actually, no.

    I’m working up a shadow-themed race, and I’d like some version of shadow jump to be a racial ability. I’m trying to get a sense of where shadow jump falls on the scale of abilities and when it typically comes online.

    With PrCs or archetypes, that seems to be roughly around eighth level or so. That’s way too late for my purposes, since I’d like to use this on first-level members of this race.

    Would a 1/day shadow jump be enough to require an increase in CR? Or would it be less powerful, something that could be swapped for another racial ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    My first instinct would be no, since I’m not a ToB fan.

    However, this essentially does what I want it to, and it seems to come online fairly early—maybe third or fourth level?
    If you're not taking levels in an initiator class, you can take Shadow Jaunt (50 ft teleport as a standard cation) at 6th level with the martial study feat. You can take shadow stride(50 ft teleport as a move action) at 18th level with the martial study feat, while the swift action variant is outside of your reach, unless you get epic levels.

    The maneuvers are 2nd, 5th and 7th level respectively, which means you need an initiator level of 3rd, 9th and 13th to get them, and levels in a non-initiator class count as half.
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    Let's see, racial abilities like this are usually equivalent to a feat. So probably the easiest option is to replicate the effects of the Shape Soulmeld(Blink Shirt) feat (which is obtainable at 1st level). This gives you at-will, 10 ft. teleportation as a standard action. Is there a specific distance or usage per day you'd like to impose? Because you could probably scale up the distance of the racial ability if you limit its use in some way.

    Some other options:
    There's a reserve feat in Complete Mage that lets you teleport 5ft. per spell level of your highest level prepared [Teleportation] spell, but that requires spellcasting, and I think at least 4th level spells before it's available.

    There's a 2nd level spell in the PHBII called Dimension Hop, but has similar issues.

    There's the Abrupt Jaunt Alternate Class Feature for Wizards, but again, requires a spellcaster.

    There's the Jaunter prestige class in Expedition to the Demonweb Pits that has some mechanics you might be able to crib.
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    Originally Posted by Deadline
    Is there a specific distance or usage per day you'd like to impose? Because you could probably scale up the distance of the racial ability if you limit its use in some way.
    At-will is too much for what I had in mind, and ten feet is a little on the short side.

    So, I’d like it to be a slightly longer distance, maybe 20-30 feet, and I’m thinking maybe 1+ Wis mod per day. Does that more or less even out? Would this work out to a racial ability equal to a bonus feat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    At-will is too much for what I had in mind, and ten feet is a little on the short side.

    So, I’d like it to be a slightly longer distance, maybe 20-30 feet, and I’m thinking maybe 1+ Wis mod per day. Does that more or less even out? Would this work out to a racial ability equal to a bonus feat?
    Seems reasonable to me, especially if you limit it to jumping between shadows.
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