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Thread: Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire
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2008-04-01, 10:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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And then, there's always alteration magic.
I'll bet every dispensable organ in my body that we will never see a Dominion Ape that is actually disabled (not crippled by wounds or necromancy) or one that, due to old age, is significantly impaired.
(There may be a uglier reason here, but I'll go for magic.)
However, I do think that the fact behind the apparent absence of children is that they undergo conditioning in Aberghast Cathedral in their early years. Early years probably meaning 1-13.
The First Caste, as the Deegan brothers, who were at their family's estate when the Chosen attacked show, is of course not subjected to this.
Also: Szark's father appeared, too, as well as "the Maestro". Both weren't exactly at the verge of death, though.
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2008-04-02, 01:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-04-02, 01:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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As I said before, that is a possibility; genome mapping will hopefully reveal the truth of the patter. Speaking of which...
This latest strip has given us two breakthroughs. The first is a confirmation of my suspicions that both of the parents of the "Travoria" sisters are hybrids. The second is that magical affinity comes from a single allele that is incompletely dominant, its potential distribution (1:2:1) is shown in the "Travoria" offspring, and that this is the true distinction between the subspecies magus and carnacaputa. The dominant allele (M) and the recessive allele (m) can be mapped out on the following Punnett square:
{table] |M|m
M|MM|Mm
m|Mm|mm[/table]
The specimen "Barnet" is mm, and so cannot use magic in any form, bearing all of the hallmarks of a purebred carnacaputa.* By contrast, her younger sister "Luna" is MM, and bears all of the hallmarks of a purebred magus. Finally, their sisters "Amelia" and "Mariella" are Mm, and show tendencies consistent with hybrids. Since the dominant allele corresponds universally to lower levels of aggression, this magic allele must have developed** on a gene partially responsible for hormone regulation.
*S. mookiei carnacaputa is the first published name, so it takes precedence. (However, S. mookiei vulgaris can still be used as a synonym.)
**Or was engineered; as we've established, we don't know the full extent of Mookie's tampering of the genome.Last edited by Turcano; 2008-04-02 at 01:44 AM.
"Mech is king."
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2008-04-02, 02:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-04-02, 02:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but what she's apparently talking about is general sibling abuse, not anything coordinated.
Also, she hates her sister for being "strong" enough to be unwilling or unable to remove herself from a horrible situation the way she did? Really? Under those circumstances, leaving is what you should do.
"Mech is king."
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2008-04-02, 02:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-04-02, 06:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Today's comic might have been more touching if I didn't see this every time I look at the last panel... ...but then again, probably not.
Spoiler(slightly altered)
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2008-04-02, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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So... as far as pop psych analysis goes, this is a fair description of general "sibling issues." Regardless how Luna actually acted, Travoria can have interpreted Luna being trapped in an abusive relationship as "strength" since Travoria has strong Abandonment Issues. Now, when Luna shows up to explain how Barnet was the strong one (?), they can get that Sisterly Reconciliation on and Travoria will get a nice stay and the Aberxast Hot Springs Resort.
Still doesn't explain the sociopathery, and we're not going to see that explanation any time soon.
SpoilerBy the way, this is a perfect set-up for the self-fulfilling prophecy. Travoria will reform, realize that Celesto is a threat to the First Caste, and try to kill him. Celesto will 'splode her, and Dominic will realize it is all his fault.
This will never, in a million years, happen in this strip.
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2008-04-02, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree with this thesis by reason of it being awesome.
But now I'm left wondering about the status of "Gregory" and "Jacob", who, unlike "Luna" and their brother "Dominic", can only cast one sort of spells, much like "Amelia".
"Jacob" has shown enough magical aptitude and talent as a researcher, so he is probably MM.
"Gregory", on the other hand , seems to be limited to his White Magic, unable to control it and incapable of comprehending even basic magic formulae like 5x2=Arcana.
I also don't know what exactly this means for my theory about the planes of existence. I may have to abandon it. However, it may be that the magus allele simply suppresses the links to the planes. In this case, however, it wouldn't be M allowing magic, it would be m disabling it.
(This is backed by infernomancy, since in this case, the links to the plane of Hell are acquired, not inborn.)
It of course would have to be evaluated to which extent the links are suppressed. And whether this theory makes any sense in the first place or not.
(EDIT: I was just trawling the archives looking for slay material when I found this interesting strip.)
*S. mookiei carnacaputa is the first published name, so it takes precedence. (However, S. mookiei vulgaris can still be used as a synonym.)
Ah, but in Dominion, whenever a character enters melodrama mode, whatever he or she says is the truth, and nothing but the truth.
Therefore, Luna is the strong one here, no matter what we might think.
(Unless, of course, Luna does the same, in which case both are strong because they didn't fall to evil (killing people for money be damned), something I have no doubt Dominic will explain with a warm smile on his face.)
Now, when Luna shows up to explain how Barnet was the strong one (?), they can get that Sisterly Reconciliation on and Travoria will get a nice stay and the Aberxast Hot Springs Resort.
Also, I will have a laughing fit if Luna tells her the reason for her newfound strength after we had this wonderful splash page.
Finally, I have to note that to me, Dominic appears like someone who is trying to look concerned but is simply bored and doesn't really listen.
In the last panel, he also seems to be slightly annoyed as he fully realizes that he can't "save" Barnet now that her lower half has disappeared.Last edited by Johnny Blade; 2008-04-02 at 11:01 AM.
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Oh, I get it now! She's motivated entirely by spite and hatred in its purest form! That's not evil at all!
Everyone's already commented enough on the "I was too weak to go with my womanly imperative and stay in an abusive relationship" spiel. I've nothing more to add.
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2008-04-02, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Remember kids, Wrath is one of the Cardinal Virtues of the Luanian Church. Lord Dominius Himself endorsed this most virtuous of paths.
Attn: Evolutionary Deeganologists
How do you explain Spark? He is one of two talking animals in the Deeganverse, and yet nobody is surprised that he talks. This implies some sort of co-evolutionary existence, and yet also a possible Extinction Event. Perhaps they were out-competed as companion animals by the Fifth Caste?
FAKE EDIT:
Okay, two talking animals and one talking animal species.Lead Designer for Oracle Hunter GamesToday a Blog, Tomorrow a Business!
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Elflad
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2008-04-02, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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My Childhood Is Sad.
A Bloo Bloo Bloooo.a secret to everybody.
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2008-04-02, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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You know, I didn't really forget about that strip, but I've never really thought about it. That means that Alsetio's assistant and Zelda are both legally empowered to kill Barnet, and there's not a damn thing Dominic can do about it!
Besides convincing them that she's not evil anymore and they should trust her. Or, horror upon horrors, simply hiding her himself and getting her a new identity.
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Hark! An avatar drawn by Kate Beaton!
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http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2005-02-26
Who is this one in the 3rd panel?
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2008-04-02, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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My FFRP characters. Avatar by Ashen Lilies. Sigatars by Ashen Lilies, Gullara and Purple Eagle.
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2008-04-02, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Im also pretty sure it's Jayden. You can tell this because the three most prominent characteristics she has are:
1. she has a Luanian amulet.
2. she's nice.
3. she's Luna's only friend.
Man, how I hope this happens.
@ Khosan:
I take this bet, as I don't think Dominic will leave Barnet's mindscape before Mookie could draw another ass shot of her, which will require her to be fixed in the following days. Also, I'm sure there are a few tears left to shed.Last edited by Johnny Blade; 2008-04-02 at 12:49 PM.
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Last edited by Morty; 2008-04-02 at 12:50 PM.
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2008-04-02, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bah. They're all evil anyway. Well, not all of them are evil. Laws like "be wary around areas that have been subjected to large amounts of necromantic and demonic magic" are evil, but laws like "you are allowed to inflict Fourth Casters with large amounts of psychological torture" are a-okay.
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2008-04-02, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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By the way, this is a perfect set-up for the self-fulfilling prophecy. Travoria will reform, realize that Celesto is a threat to the First Caste, and try to kill him. Celesto will 'splode her, and Dominic will realize it is all his fault.
This will never, in a million years, happen in this strip.
<_<
Also, yes. Luna is popping up tomorrow to sob like a bitch and talk about how she tried to kill herself. Twice. But since she had Dominic, and he helped her through it. And how strong OH is to still be around even though she never had anybody, but now Luna will be there for her.
Yes, OH will be Nimmel Redux. Watch out.
Also, ONE MORE THING. Barnet said she bought all her crazy gear off of the Blinder lady (Obviously they aren't THAT hard to find) during the loltorture. But now she suddenly had all of her magic trinkets back at the Travoria estates? wha?
Also, have we ever received ANY indication of the characters' ages in DD? Beyond that Gregory is somewhere above 8?
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2008-04-02, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, we do! Observe:
Croona Travoria: Really, really old. So old that she's now got nothing left to cling to save bitterness as the sweet, sweet illusion that she still looks beautiful.
Barnet: A lot younger than Croona.
Mariella: Somewhat younger than Barnet.
Amelia: Somewhere in between Mariella and Barnet.
Luna: Whatever Dominus tells her she is.
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2008-04-02, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I would theorize that this is due to the much larger mindsoulscapes living creatures in Dominon have. It's possible that the mindsoulscape overlaps the gray matter of a creature's brain. The constant exposure to powerful psymagic enhances development of all higher levels of the brain, but only to a certain extent. Creatures with already advanced brains become even more intelligent (like the Fire Apes) and creatures of lesser intelligence are enhanced to the point of almost human level intelligence. The Dominion Ape is naturally hampered because (as was stated earlier) many important aspects of the brain have moved to other regions of the body and therefore is restricted to levels on intelligence an average human may achieve.
There is still the problem of how an animal could vocalize a human language. There are two plausible ways animals can speak in a way humans understand:
1. The animal is not actually speaking, but instead vocalizing in its own language while simultaneously projecting the meaning of the sounds into the mindsoulscape of listeners.
2. Only some creatures have developed the capability for speech. These will most likely be animals that live in large groups and therefore have a greater need for complex communication. Perhaps domestic cats like Spark are the descendants of some sort of Pygmy Lion Pride instead of the solitary desert cats that ours are descended from.Last edited by InkEyes; 2008-04-02 at 06:27 PM.
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2008-04-02, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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The trouble is, I can't really think of any good anthems for the other castes. For the Fifth Caste, I thought about "Worthless," just for the title, but on closer examination it doesn't fit them at all.* Do they even have music for people who have no value whatsoever?
*The song is about every man's fear that, regardless of whatever they may accomplish in life, they will die in obscurity, alone, unmourned, and unloved.** The Fifth Caste have neither past nor future, and so they do not have fears. Nor accomplishments, for that matter.
**Why, yes, this is a kid's movie. Why do you ask?
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2008-04-02, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Do they even have music for people who have no value whatsoever?
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He's a reeeeeeal nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for noooobody.
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So...
1st Caste
Mac Davis - Hard to Be Humble
2nd Caste
Weird Al - Close But No Cigar
3rd Caste
The Killers - When You Were Young (or maybe Joan Jett - Victim of Cicumstance)
4th Caste
Michael Jackson - Bad
5th Caste
The Beatles - Nowhere Man
edit: You've killed lots of people and tried to kill me, but you remind me of MY GIRLFRIEND!Last edited by ElfLad; 2008-04-03 at 02:19 AM.
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2008-04-03, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ugh this is bad, really really really bad.
If this doesn't cement the idea of a caste system, nothing does.
I mean really..."Yeah I know you stabbed a whole lot of people for money, but deep down you're just a hurt little girl that needs patience and understanding."
I'm still hoping Celesto kills Barnet, thus removing any further stupid she might cause.
Heck I'm still voting that he kills Dom.
Edit: almost missed the "Yes, Luna is strong, but she needed help....from me...like you do..there is no weakness in asking help from Lord Dominus. He is forgiving and merciful."Last edited by Hell Puppi; 2008-04-03 at 02:23 AM.
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You killed dozens of people, Luna tried to commit suicide.... same thing, really.
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