The new spell identification rules are terrible.

[krugaan]

I never pay attention to the gender symbol on somebody's profile because it I would not respond to them differently anyway. Nor do I assume they are accurate. My wife had an account here before I did but she put male because she did not want people bugging her. Same with online games, bust because their character is female does not mean anything.

Pretty much. I wish people would just leave it blank.

Although, amusing typo.

[Unoriginal]

I never pay attention to the gender symbol on somebody's profile because it I would not respond to them differently anyway. Nor do I assume they are accurate. My wife had an account here before I did but she put male because she did not want people bugging her. Same with online games, bust because their character is female does not mean anything.

I'm sure you don't equate people with dogs that type, though.

[krugaan]

I'm sure you don't equate people with dogs that type, though.

Lets be honest, that was a vague implication, not equivocation.

[Dudewithknives]

I'm sure you don't equate people with dogs that type, though.

If he had done it to a male poster people would not have cared.

All the defense people keep jumping to is rather patronizing honestly.

It's not that much worse than other people calling people trolls or calling their mechanics stupid door saying that they're just power gamers.

[krugaan]

If he had done it to a male poster people would not have cared.

All the defense people keep jumping to is rather patronizing honestly.

It's not that much worse than other people calling people trolls or calling their mechanics stupid door saying that they're just power gamers.

... er, posting from phone?

But yes, there is a lot of misrepresenting that goes on. This is the internet, after all. To be fair, no one always presents their viewpoints accurately all the time.

[Cybren]

If he had done it to a male poster people would not have cared.

All the defense people keep jumping to is rather patronizing honestly.

It's not that much worse than other people calling people trolls or calling their mechanics stupid door saying that they're just power gamers.

As it turns out, context is fundamental to how language works, yes.

[Dudewithknives]

... er, posting from phone?

But yes, there is a lot of misrepresenting that goes on. This is the internet, after all. To be fair, no one always presents their viewpoints accurately all the time.

yeah talk-to-text wasn't really all that accurate.

I was driving for the last like 4 posts.

[krugaan]

yeah talk-to-text wasn't really all that accurate.

I was driving for the last like 4 posts.

As a motorcyclist, I beg you, please don't do this, even with talk to text.

[Unoriginal]

If he had done it to a male poster people would not have cared.

No. If someone called a male poster "she", and when corrected reacted by saying "he or she could be a dog for all I care", it'd still be just as insulting.

As a motorcyclist, I beg you, please don't do this, even with talk to text.

I second this.

[Vaz]

Repeat after me:

Bad =/= something I don't like. Good =/= something I like..

Actually that is the very definition of good and bad. Good and Bad are levels of acceptance., and it is always subjective. There is never anything that is objectively good.

[Naanomi]

No. If someone called a male poster "she", and when corrected reacted by saying "he or she could be a dog for all I care", it'd still be just as insulting.

I don’t care at all that they got my gender wrong...the graphic is whatever, and I realize the gender ratios in the hobbies I participate in... but when corrected on something like this just go with it instead of getting defensive about your mistake.

Incidentally if anyone is a typing dog shoot me a PM, I’d love to hear more about that

[MadBear]

You can say that you don't care about the gender thing all you want, but you're a fool if you think what Uriel did was ok. It's one thing to incorrectly identify what a person identifies as. It's another to be an ass when called on it.

For instance, if Uriel truly didn't care, Uriel could have used "they" instead of "she/he". I often try and use they so that I don't mistakenly call someone the wrong pronoun. But when you do mess up, the polite thing to do is accept that mistake and move on.

It's the equivalent of me yelling out:

"Hey Devin"
"sorry, my name's Dave"
"Whatever, I don't care."

Guess, what. In that scenario, I'd be a ****. Uriel is being a ****. No need to defend them.

[krugaan]

And just like that, the thread is now about gender on the internet.

Well, it was going down in flames anyway.

You can say that you don't care about the gender thing all you want, but you're a fool if you think what Uriel did was ok. It's one thing to incorrectly identify what a person identifies as. It's another to be an ass when called on it.

For instance, if Uriel truly didn't care, Uriel could have used "they" instead of "she/he". I often try and use they so that I don't mistakenly call someone the wrong pronoun. But when you do mess up, the polite thing to do is accept that mistake and move on.

It's the equivalent of me yelling out:

"Hey Devin"
"sorry, my name's Dave"
"Whatever, I don't care."

Guess, what. In that scenario, I'd be a ****. Uriel is being a ****. No need to defend them.

I don't particularly like Uriel, but the bolded section is not what happened.

"Hey Devin, you're totally wrong"
"Sorry, my name's Dave"
"Whatever, I don't care, your name has nothing to do with how I think you're wrong"

[Meta]

This thread has motivated me to hide my gender. I didn't think anything for filling it out when I made my account but clearly that was a mistake.

[Cybren]

And just like that, the thread is now about gender on the internet.

Well, it was going down in flames anyway.



I don't particularly like Uriel, but the bolded section is not what happened.

"Hey Devin, you're totally wrong"
"Sorry, my name's Dave"
"Whatever, I don't care, your name has nothing to do with how I think you're wrong"

It's not really about gender though, it's about the specific rudeness of the sequence of posts. Uriel clearly responded with a post that was rude and otherizing about a person, to that person with so little regard that he didn't realize that he was responding to the person he was insulting

[Unoriginal]

I don't particularly like Uriel, but the bolded section is not what happened.

"Hey Devin, you're totally wrong"
"Sorry, my name's Dave"
"Whatever, I don't care, your name has nothing to do with how I think you're wrong"

If you want an accurate description of what happened, it'd be:

"Why don't you let people have fun with X?"

"I've been having fun with X"

"What a terrible argument, Devin. The way you think is wrong and people like you ruined X."

"My name's Dave, and you're not representing what I think correctly."

"Whatever, you could be a talking dog I would care just as much."

This thread has motivated me to hide my gender. I didn't think anything for filling it out when I made my account but clearly that was a mistake.

How is it a mistake?

[Pex]

So house rule it to work the way that you want it to work, just like you've apparently been doing since the beginning of time, and ignore these new optional rules.
I still fail to see the problem, or how any of these complaints are even remotely relevant.

You've been complaining about an optional rule for over 20 pages....

3E hasn't been published for a long time now yet people are still complaining about it. Will you be telling them to stop complaining?

[krugaan]

If you want an accurate description of what happened, it'd be:

"Why don't you let people have fun with X?"

"I've been having fun with X"

"What a terrible argument, Devin. The way you think is wrong and people like you ruined X."

"My name's Dave, and you're not representing what I think correctly."

"Whatever, you could be a talking dog I would care just as much."

That's a better representation than mine, to be sure.

I was going to say that's much more polite than what really happened, but ... not that much more.

[Unoriginal]

3E hasn't been published for a long time now yet people are still complaining about it. Will you be telling them to stop complaining?

You're not addressing what DividedByZero is saying.

He's saying "you've been complaining for 20 pages about something you already houseruled, but I still don't see the problem and none of your complaints are relevant."

That's a better representation than mine, to be sure.

I was going to say that's much more polite than what really happened, but ... not that much more.

And this is why I'm saying it has nothing to do with gender.

UrielAwakened almost always resorts to insults when the discussion doesn't go their way. They straight up admitted insulting DividedByZero, and they're known for saying that people who like 5e are suffering from Stockholm Syndrom (because how could they like something UrielAwakened doesn't, otherwise?).

[krugaan]

This thread has motivated me to hide my gender. I didn't think anything for filling it out when I made my account but clearly that was a mistake.

Good on you.

Some people can't think objectively when gender is involved.

Also, some people can't believe that other people can think objectively when gender is involved.

Either way, it's an unnecessary distraction that has basically no place in DnD.

[Knaight]

3E hasn't been published for a long time now yet people are still complaining about it. Will you be telling them to stop complaining?

Worse yet, people in literature classes all over the world are complaining about texts hundreds or even thousands of years old. It's almost like they don't cease to exist after publication stops.

[Naanomi]

Meh, I don’t care really. I’ve been called much worse than a typing dog, I don’t care about an accidental wrong gender assumption... which is why I just corrected it in bold in a reply I was going to make anyways... It irks me a little to make a big deal about being corrected about it, but not much.

What I do care about is the assumption that the way I’ve been enjoying a game for over 20 years now was in fact not fun to me, I’m just deluding myself because of my slavish devotion to tradition. I do care about that, and wasn’t going to leave that idea unchallenged.

[Unoriginal]

Good on you.

Some people can't think objectively when gender is involved.

Also, some people can't believe that other people can think objectively when gender is involved.

Either way, it's an unnecessary distraction that has basically no place in DnD.

People shouldn't be discouraged to show their genders on this forum if they want to show it, even if some jerks are rude about it.

Having a quasit avatar is also an unnecessary distraction, but if I was told I should not have one because some forum users don't want demons to be shown or discussed because of their opinions on demons, you can bet I would keep it.

Worse yet, people in literature classes all over the world are complaining about texts hundreds or even thousands of years old. It's almost like they don't cease to exist after publication stops.

That's a good thing is was not DividedByZero's point at all, then.

[Vaz]

What's with the white knights? Naanomi is capable of looking after `itself' (let's be gender neutral now, careful not to offend anyone), and I can guarantee if it was a male, y'all would not be jumping down Uriel's throat.

Can't believe it needsa to be said that y'all need to grow up and talk about make believe like adults.

[krugaan]

People shouldn't be discouraged to show their genders on this forum if they want to show it, even if some jerks are rude about it.

They shouldn't be, yes. I'm actually going to just drop the subject entirely and hope it doesn't get brought up again.

[Cybren]

I know you think "don't just assume gender" is a funny joke but it's actually somewhere between incredibly tiresome and literally hostile towards trans or non-binary folks.

[Unoriginal]

People get insulted here all the time, people get called trolls, power gamers, idiots, stupid, elites and plenty more. Nobody ever jumps up and tries and is offended on behalf of someone else because they were called one of those.

However, people jump up to be offended here. He was making a comment, albeit obviously insulting obviously, and called someone he. The person mentions it is her not he, and he said who cares, it does not matter what you are. Which on an anonymous message board it shouldn't. Then people jump on the offended train, it is patronizing.

UrielAwakened made a mistake (which is not a problem on an anonymous, was corrected, and instead of brushing it off they compared another forum user to a dog.

Being called a snob or a troll or stupid is one thing, but there are degree of insults, and UrielAwakened had been neither polite nor arguing in good faith for a while now. It's not being patronizing, it's simply the biggest insult in the middle of a bunch of others, which makes it stick out.

I can guarantee if it was a male, y'all would not be jumping down Uriel's throat.

I would have reacted the same way. UrielAwakened has been going at it for several pages now, who they insulted is not a factor in how rude they've been.

[Vaz]

I would have reacted the same way. UrielAwakened has been going at it for several pages now, who they insulted is not a factor in how rude they've been.

So why was the tipping point the gender button?

Seems kinda sexist.

[Naanomi]

I know you think "don't just assume gender" is a funny joke but it's actually somewhere between incredibly tiresome and literally hostile towards trans or non-binary folks.

And cis-women involved male dominated hobbies.

Hi, I’m Naanomi. I’m a 36 year old woman and have played DnD since middle school. We in fact exist, we may sometimes subtly correct you if you make a mistake about that, and we don’t need to derail a thread completely whenever we do so.

And blind counterspells add a tactical element to the game I enjoy, both as a counter-er and counter-ee; and not because I like ruining the fun of others or because I’m stuck with nostalgia-blinders and hate change

[Unoriginal]

So why was the tipping point the gender button?

Seems kinda sexist.

The tipping point was not the "gender button" (you'll note how no one reacted to UrielAwakened's calling Naanomi aside from Naanomi herself, who did the correction), the tipping point was likening someone to a dog.

Just saying, you know, to make sure people don't fall for your thread-derailing methods. Although people didn't need you this time.