Death Battle III Not Even Internally Consistent

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This battle made all of the sense. Honestly im glad they made it as close as they did.

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"Hmm, lets make batman face someone who is faster, stronger, and has a nearly impenetrable suit of armor. I cant think of how anyone could consider this lopsided." Its like they said, both are geniuses, both are highly skilled martial artists. But only one has virtually invulnerable armor and weaponry to use.

[zimmerwald1915]

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Considering what Twilight can do when she's not held back by fear or guilt... I wouldn't do that. When ponies break, they break hard.

I do suppose representing the Element of Magic has some advantage in a mage fight, though. I just seem to remember Raven being a half-demon or something and possibly on the world threatening level if she goes bad. Twilight... isn't. It is, however, notable that while Twilight's magic is firmly on the side of light magic, she can cast Dark Magic. She just really doesn't like to. So the whole copying someone else's spell and doing it better should work against Raven no matter what she does.

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You know a discussion's gotten ridiculous when it starts involving alternate-universe counterparts, but Twilight's EqG counterpart did almost rip the world to pieces to see how it worked once. Explicitly when she was "no longer held back by fear or guilt" and animated by a pure clinical curiosity.

[Rater202]

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You know a discussion's gotten ridiculous when it starts involving alternate-universe counterparts

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To be fair, the Batman Beyond vs Spider-Man 2099 episode conflated two differant timeline versions of Miguel O'hara--the one who got the improved armor is not the one who became the third master of Mjolnir.

(And then proceded to not give him either timeline's upgraded swag.)

[McNum]

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You know a discussion's gotten ridiculous when it starts involving alternate-universe counterparts, but Twilight's EqG counterpart did almost rip the world to pieces to see how it worked once. Explicitly when she was "no longer held back by fear or guilt" and animated by a pure clinical curiosity.

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Right, I forgot about Equestria Girls. That whole Midnight Sparkle thing. And she wasn't even in control and was born in a world with very little magic.

Yeah, rule of thumb for fighting Twilight Sparkle. You think the bonds with her friends are her power, and they most certainly are, but... You really, really do NOT want to see what happens if you break them. In some ways the empower her, in some ways they restrain her. And a no restraint Twilight Sparkle who's coming at you, personally. That'll just ruin your day.

I do wonder what ridiculous feat they'll use to see how powerful Twilight is. It's not moving the sun, because that was boosted, but what is Twilight most outrageous, but calculable feat?

[zimmerwald1915]

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Right, I forgot about Equestria Girls. That whole Midnight Sparkle thing. And she wasn't even in control and was born in a world with very little magic.

Yeah, rule of thumb for fighting Twilight Sparkle. You think the bonds with her friends are her power, and they most certainly are, but... You really, really do NOT want to see what happens if you break them. In some ways the empower her, in some ways they restrain her. And a no restraint Twilight Sparkle who's coming at you, personally. That'll just ruin your day.

I do wonder what ridiculous feat they'll use to see how powerful Twilight is. It's not moving the sun, because that was boosted, but what is Twilight most outrageous, but calculable feat?

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As far as pure magical might, and not ingenuity, goes? Probably repairing the Ponyville Dam in The Mysterious Mare do Well. That's gotta be thousands of tons of concrete lifted and fused seamlessly back together, all while holding back further thousands of tons of water, with very little visible effort.

They might also use the "sparkboom" she created at the end of Princess Twilight Sparkle to say she can fly as fast as Rainbow Dash (upwards, not even diving!) if she boosts her speed with her magic. Would seem kinda BS to me, but it's Death Battle, known nonpareil purveyors of BS.

[Forum Explorer]

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Right, I forgot about Equestria Girls. That whole Midnight Sparkle thing. And she wasn't even in control and was born in a world with very little magic.

Yeah, rule of thumb for fighting Twilight Sparkle. You think the bonds with her friends are her power, and they most certainly are, but... You really, really do NOT want to see what happens if you break them. In some ways the empower her, in some ways they restrain her. And a no restraint Twilight Sparkle who's coming at you, personally. That'll just ruin your day.

I do wonder what ridiculous feat they'll use to see how powerful Twilight is. It's not moving the sun, because that was boosted, but what is Twilight most outrageous, but calculable feat?

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The time travel spell perhaps? The crystal prison spell? Or maybe the off screen reversal of all the reality warping Rarity did?

Ooh, I know! The frog to frog-orange hybrid spell! That would mess someone up.

For sheer power and control, the rebuilding of a dam that had just burst though is going to be hard to beat.

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The time travel spell perhaps? The crystal prison spell? Or maybe the off screen reversal of all the reality warping Rarity did?

Ooh, I know! The frog to frog-orange hybrid spell! That would mess someone up.

For sheer power and control, the rebuilding of a dam that had just burst though is going to be hard to beat.

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I honestly dont recall any amazing things she did in the original cartoon series and thats all I know her from. She did do some crazy time stop thing against demon slade during that whole "I am a portal" set. but im not sure if thats a skill she can use normally.

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I honestly dont recall any amazing things she did in the original cartoon series and thats all I know her from. She did do some crazy time stop thing against demon slade during that whole "I am a portal" set. but im not sure if thats a skill she can use normally.

There is no "normal" for Raven, that's sort of the point. She more she unloads on you, the more she lets loose, the more wild and powerful and uncontrollable her powers get. a Death Battle is an interesting setting for her because the inhibitions she places on herself are an intrinsic part of her character and her powers.

[zimmerwald1915]

There is no "normal" for Raven, that's sort of the point. She more she unloads on you, the more she lets loose, the more wild and powerful and uncontrollable her powers get. a Death Battle is an interesting setting for her because the inhibitions she places on herself are an intrinsic part of her character and her powers.

Okay, how have they dealt with Hulk's similar positive feedback loop?

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Okay, how have they dealt with Hulk's similar positive feedback loop?

Its not really a loop here, so much as displays of Raven's upper levels of power being rare. Its sort of like asking what Batman's preferred method of execution is. The question has an answer, theoretically, its just not one the character will ever voluntarily reveal.

[McNum]

I looked up a bit of what Twilight had done in her comic appearances, and if she's to win, I can see a winning move there. She can take away someone else's magic. A flat out "You're not magical anymore!" spell. It wears off, sure, but that's one heck of a move to bring to a mage fight.

Although, if Raven loses her magic... what happens with the whole demonic possession thing she has going on? Because, well, if she's actively holding that back with magic, then there's a really major backfire lurking there. I mean, beating up big evil things is part of the job for a Princess of Equestria, but still... Too big and evil might be trouble on her own.

[Celestia]

I'm not holding my breath, but I think there might actually be a chance that Twilight has this. I'm not wholly familiar with everything Raven has done, but from what I recall, she doesn't have a lot of incredible feats to her name. She tends to hold herself back and play second fiddle to the other Titans, and even when the depths of her power are explored, it's done more through hints and implications. I don't think we've even seen her at full strength yet.

By any reasonable comparison, Twilight shouldn't stand a chance, but Death Battle doesn't work like that. They want numbers, and I just don't know if Raven can provide enough. I could be wrong here, but since this is Death Battle, I could see it going either way.

[Pendulous]

Maybe they'll get Jenny Nicholson to voice Twilight. That's all I'm hoping for.

[Celestia]

Maybe they'll get Jenny Nicholson to voice Twilight. That's all I'm hoping for.

You know, I bet if they try asking Tara Strong, there's a chance she might say yes. She's cool like that. I doubt it'll happen, but it would be so awesome if it does.

[zimmerwald1915]

You know, I bet if they try asking Tara Strong, there's a chance she might say yes. She's cool like that. I doubt it'll happen, but it would be so awesome if it does.

Nah, Sister Tara wouldn't scab.

[HolyDraconus]

Not complaining about the result but... doesn't bats have both gas and freezing elements in that belt?

[Keltest]

Not complaining about the result but... doesn't bats have both gas and freezing elements in that belt?

Search long and hard enough, and I'm sure you can find an example of him pulling anything out of his belt. I don't believe he regularly carries poison or freezing grenades on his person however.

[Reddish Mage]

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You know a discussion's gotten ridiculous when it starts involving alternate-universe counterparts, but Twilight's EqG counterpart did almost rip the world to pieces to see how it worked once. Explicitly when she was "no longer held back by fear or guilt" and animated by a pure clinical curiosity.

It seems people are talking about, for both Raven and Twilight Sparkle, how they would perform without inhibition. However, that’s more a “what if” alternative version of the character than something either of them can do.

Supposedly, moral restraints against killing are taken away for the death battle but all other character traits are intact. In this episode, they said Batman wouldn’t use a gun no matter what, for example, while Goku wouldn’t take advantage of kryptonite.

Twilight Sparkle using dark magic on a mass destruction scale sounds like something she wouldn’t do normally, and neither would Raven. What the two characters would do in a serious encounter is what’s going to be considered.

That is what seems up in the air.

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They say this fight came down to the fact that they couldn’t find a single thing that Batman could use to get through T’Challa’s vibration armor after looking at hundreds of his fights. Can someone do one better.

Even if he could (and they said he could given preparation time), it seems like they believe T’challa is simply stronger and faster and claws that injure Batman regardless of what he wearing. So while they say the fight is close, it seems to me the analysis is that Black Panther edges Batman in every category (except given prep time as they simply didn’t analyze that about T’Challa).

[HolyDraconus]

It seems people are talking about, for both Raven and Twilight Sparkle, how they would perform without inhibition. However, that’s more a “what if” alternative version of the character than something either of them can do.

Supposedly, moral restraints against killing are taken away for the death battle but all other character traits are intact. In this episode, they said Batman wouldn’t use a gun no matter what, for example, while Goku wouldn’t take advantage of kryptonite.

Twilight Sparkle using dark magic on a mass destruction scale sounds like something she wouldn’t do normally, and neither would Raven. What the two characters would do in a serious encounter is what’s going to be considered.

That is what seems up in the air.

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They say this fight came down to the fact that they couldn’t find a single thing that Batman could use to get through T’Challa’s vibration armor after looking at hundreds of his fights. Can someone do one better.

Even if he could (and they said he could given preparation time), it seems like they believe T’challa is simply stronger and faster and claws that injure Batman regardless of what he wearing. So while they say the fight is close, it seems to me the analysis is that Black Panther edges Batman in every category (except given prep time as they simply didn’t analyze that about T’Challa).

If the Raven fight ends in anything other than a draw they did zero research. She is a brony. No way in Hell is she fighting twilight. And if alt timelines WERE on the table, Raven did eventually become the Goddess of Magic.
The bat fight shouldn't of been done. Panther has a movie literally around the corner and America is still ....cough.. anyway, it shouldn't of been made.

[Rynjin]

Search long and hard enough, and I'm sure you can find an example of him pulling anything out of his belt. I don't believe he regularly carries poison or freezing grenades on his person however.

Poison, no, but freeze grenades are standard kit for a lot of Batman variants. Every single one of the animated versions used them regularly if nothing else (Clayface showed up a lot in the cartoons).

[Reddish Mage]

If the Raven fight ends in anything other than a draw they did zero research. She is a brony. No way in Hell is she fighting twilight.

Death Battle removes compunctions against killing and puts fighters against each other who wouldn’t normally be crossing paths let along fighting one another. Its kinda their thing.

Raven is fighting Twilight is going to happen and its the canon universe version possibly bereft of one-off abilities and abilities displayed only with external aid or influence. The fighters get
“their” skills and abilities and anything part of their “arsenal.”

That means Raven isn’t becoming a goddess of magic and Twilight can’t use the elements of harmony, although she might get Spike if they determine he is part of her “arsenal.”

The bat fight shouldn't of been done. Panther has a movie literally around the corner and America is still ....cough.. anyway, it shouldn't of been made.

Neither of those things seem to be a reason for a web show looking for view not to set up a fight at this juncture.

Poison, no, but freeze grenades are standard kit for a lot of Batman variants. Every single one of the animated versions used them regularly if nothing else (Clayface showed up a lot in the cartoons).

Can freezing even work against Black Panther?

[HolyDraconus]

Heat shouldn't but the inverse should. Pretty sure he could hold him there till he thinks of how to properly take him out.

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Heat shouldn't but the inverse should. Pretty sure he could hold him there till he thinks of how to properly take him out.

Unless the freeze device traps him in a chunk of ice the size of a minivan instantaneously, I'm a little skeptical that Panther couldn't just break out.

[Anteros]

If nothing else, I know for a fact Batman carries knock out gas in almost every iteration, and I know Black Panther has been vulnerable to gas based attacks before. I don't know if the version DB used has a filter in his mask though. Comics are inconsistent about things like this, so while I know he has been knocked out by gas before, I'm not sure how common that is.

[Devonix]

If nothing else, I know for a fact Batman carries knock out gas in almost every iteration, and I know Black Panther has been vulnerable to gas based attacks before. I don't know if the version DB used has a filter in his mask though. Comics are inconsistent about things like this, so while I know he has been knocked out by gas before, I'm not sure how common that is.

The suit has built in air filtration as well as force fields so gas should be ineffective.

As for freezing him. He's got short range teleportation just in case Batman manages to hit him with some kind of freeze grenade as well as the strength to simply Break out of the ice.

[Rynjin]

Can freezing even work against Black Panther?

Logically speaking, considering all of Vibranium's special properties come from the fact that it vibrates (i.e. its molecules are excited), freezing it would make it breakable.

How much heat would need to be lost for that to be possible though is up in the air.

[Anteros]

The suit has built in air filtration as well as force fields so gas should be ineffective.

As for freezing him. He's got short range teleportation just in case Batman manages to hit him with some kind of freeze grenade as well as the strength to simply Break out of the ice.

Fair enough. I don't read a lot of Black Panther, but I do have some comics where he's knocked out by gas. Comics are notoriously inconsistent about stuff like that though. Is teleportation really part of his standard moveset, or is it something he used in one or two stories and the writers forgot about? I've never seen him use it before.

[Devonix]

Fair enough. I don't read a lot of Black Panther, but I do have some comics where he's knocked out by gas. Comics are notoriously inconsistent about stuff like that though. Is teleportation really part of his standard moveset, or is it something he used in one or two stories and the writers forgot about? I've never seen him use it before.

Its standard gear.

[Adderbane]

I think Raven is likely the better fighter, but this could go either way; they're both fragile magic users with a wide powerset. I also like the idea that Ravenv losing control of her demonic side could trigger Twilights friendship ex machina power.

[Forum Explorer]

I think Raven is likely the better fighter, but this could go either way; they're both fragile magic users with a wide powerset. I also like the idea that Ravenv losing control of her demonic side could trigger Twilights friendship ex machina power.

Ponies aren't very fragile though. Particularly if you are taking in the cartoony abuse that Twilight occasionally gets.