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2019-01-29, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Let's Read The Immortal Handbook Bestiary
That reminds me... it has an enormous range on AoOs, but don't AoOs require line of sight? It would pretty much need either a few ten thousand points in spot or divinations.
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2019-01-29, 10:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Of course I'm aware it's not intended to be one.. The similarity just immediately struck me when I saw the image again.
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2019-01-29, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's an odium passing by.
Edit: Oh it's some deceased deity's foot okay.Last edited by Karl Aegis; 2019-01-29 at 10:11 PM.
"Movement speed is the most important statistic in this game."
"Give them no mercy for they give no mercy to us."
"I see one of those I kill it!"
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2019-01-29, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think they're all posing in front of their surfboards, which happen to all be portals into other bizarro worlds.
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2019-01-29, 10:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't un see it now, also this thread is a great idea.
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2019-01-29, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Amidah, CR Varies
This is a template, a paragon of paragons. The template can be applied to gods as well as paragon creatures and it gives out… a lot of benefits, actually.
Wish at will as an SLA. Do I need to go on at this point? Amidah also get a +60-luck bonus to AC, attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, initiative and spell/SLA DCs. Their enemies suffer a -12-luck penalty to just about all those things too, plus damage rolls.
+75 to all ability scores, Fast Healing 100, DR 150/epic and cursed (yes, cursed) change all hit dice to d100s and it gets max HP per hit dice. +80 to its CR. Obviously how tough it is going to depend on what you apply the template to, but Wish at will is pretty insane.
The sample monster is a CR 163 (?!) paragon vampire with 6 (yes, 6) artifact swords. I think this is the highest CR monster we’ve seen yet in this book. He has 11,700 HP and SR 187!
I… honestly don’t know what a level 160+ party would look like, but I suspect that short of abusing that Wish SLA, they’d stomp this vampire flat. I think?
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2019-01-29, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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You use Combine Turning from Ghostwalk Web Enhancement and Disciple of the Sun from Complete Divine and hope you can get past his Evil Eye and Luck abilities. Done.
"Movement speed is the most important statistic in this game."
"Give them no mercy for they give no mercy to us."
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2019-01-29, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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So basically, an amidah goblin commoner 1 is CR 79 or so, with about 137 hit points, +97 or +98 to pretty much any check (AC 107 or 108, skills +101 or +102), and at-will wish. It is, in fact, capable of disposing of a hecatoncheires (by using wish, of course--the hecatoncheires can only save on a 20, and the goblin will always go first), and it's virtually immune to its attacks (the hecatoncheires can only hit on a 20, and then can't overcome the goblin's DR).
Apart from the hit points, it's probably not far off the benchmarks for its CR. I'm sure that's an accident.Spoiler: Collectible nice thingsMy incarnate/crusader. A self-healing crowd-control melee build (ECL 8).
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2019-01-29, 11:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 11:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, compared to the trainwrecks in the ELH and this book, it's probably a lot better than those.
Speaking of which, how well does the Paragon template fare? Once saw a campaign journal with a Paragon Jovoc as part of the guards of a MacGuffin which a near-epic, highly optimized party had to retrieve. A party with a DMM: Persistent cleric, a Pact Adept with custom dragonpacts, a Ranger/Deepwood Sniper who's favored enemies are the main focus of the campaign, and not one but two Frenzied Berserkers, as a matter of fact.
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2019-01-29, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-29, 11:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ya know normally I'd say its a shame that at will wish overshadows any other feature this class has...but its just overshadowing numbers bloat. What kind of abilities should a paragon of paragon template give though.
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2019-01-30, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 12:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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This thread makes me wanna design a better epic handbook.
One that isn't just all numbers. Don't get me wrong, numbers are important too, but at that point bags-of-HP are about the most boring imaginable. Which the immortals handbook is overflowing with. It's lazy.
These things should start acting like the natural disasters and eldritch horrors they ought to be.
On that point, I'm particularly interested what this thread would have to say about the Nexus Dragon.
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2019-01-30, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I remember wah back in my newbie days I'd made a tribe of goblins who were made from force effects. Literally just took the physical traits of a wall of force and slapped them on the goblin stat block. Could even make game attacks through them.
Players wound up burying the little buggers one by one since they weren't high enough level to actually destroy them.
I recall it as an example of an 'overpowered' template just not mattering on a weak monster.
Now the Kaiju template from Dragin Magazine, THAT we had done epic fun with.
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2019-01-30, 01:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 01:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-30, 07:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, I don't agree. Epic level PC parties can deliver arbitrarily high numbers in any given category, so numbers are never going to be an interesting challenge.
I agree with the rest of your post a lot and think the threat they pose should be broader and more existential than 'can drop a dice bag's worth of damage on a PC,' but tied to that I think the only road to making them feel different and epic is to make them essentially puzzle encounters. Don't give me an Uber-lich with a billion hit points and five lives. Give me one who can only be harmed by a grandmother who has never known sorrow and let the party work out how to find one, arm her, and recruit her without disqualifying her in the process.
Give me an avatar of conflict who can only be defeated if every sapient being within 100 miles forgives their worst enemy.
Give me a forge-god wielding Swordbreaker who makes every war around him escalate to increase the power of his worshippers and let them figure out that he can only be attacked by someone who is unarmed.
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2019-01-30, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is actually a pretty good question. I think the main obstacle I've had with a lot of the Epic type rules/ideas I've seen is that they usually just pile on the numbers without doing anything remotely interesting. Also, 'epic' monsters are best used in a non-epic campaign (from a narrative point of view). Battling Cthulhu loses a lot when the PCs are now technically his peers.
Aniikinis posted a thread about adapting The Eldrazi Titans a while back that was interesting but suffered (from my perspective) from some of the meaninglessly large bag of numbers issues that can be seen in Epic content.
Thre post I made in that thread, here...
... basically sums up a lot of what I'm generally looking for in an 'epic' threat. Something that has a far reaching effect that cannot be ignored. Something with the action economy to deal with a party (preferably in a way that actually makes sense). Something with somewhat of a scaling threat (again, in a way that makes sense) so that it's presence doesn't just auto-destroy any nation it lands in.
I've been tinkering with a version of Emrakul adjusted along my suggestions but haven't completed it yet, mainly because I don't currently have a campaign that it would be useful in. I kinda wish Aniikinis had gotten around to that redesign.Avatar of awesome goodness courtesy of Cdr.Fallout.