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2019-08-22, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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First generation in a world built by gods...
I was inspired by something someone else wrote in another thread, but what happens to the first generation of people? Do they live knowing they were created directly by the gods, or do they start in media res, with some sort of backstory preceding them with?
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2019-08-22, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-22, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Interested in MitD? Join us in MitD's thread.There is a world of imagination
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Where reality is an intruder
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2019-08-22, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-22, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
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2019-08-22, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
Know that their distant ancestors where created with memories or without? Doubtful. Maybe some of the original dragons are still around (a couple thousand years isn't that much for them) and they'd know (in the sense that they remember waking up as adults, or if informed of the actual age of the world, they'd be able to count backwards and figure out which memories are implanted).
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2019-08-22, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
The Gods have a vested interest in mortals believing in their existence and worshipping them. So I don't find any reason why they would hide from the First Generation of Mortals the fact that they were created and nurtured by the Gods.
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2019-08-22, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
The "in media res" thing seems weird and convoluted to implement, so I'd imagine it's less likely. I expect that mortals are just created and put down in what the gods intend to be their homelands. To me, what's more interesting is whether they start off already having families, or towns built around them, or any other kind of infrastructure. My guess is no, on all counts - seeing what the mortals decide to do without any sort of prior constraint is half the fun of creating a new world, I'd imagine - but it's impossible to know for sure.
The one thing I do feel fairly confident of is that they're all level 1, at least the ones that have class HD rather than racial HD. Otherwise, they wouldn't need to kill "monsters" like goblinoids in order to level up. Which brings up another interesting question - do they all start off as commoners, or do the gods assign a class to all the level 1 humanoids? Neither seems particularly more likely than the other.Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
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2019-08-22, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-22, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
Given that the worlds only get to last a few thousand years at most and that not all settings are D&D based, I'd argue for in media res. After all, it's hard to get a gritty cyberpunk campaign going if the world doesn't have cities and tech savvy citizens from the start.
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2019-08-22, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
We know that a lot of things we think of as abstractions are literally real in the Stickiverse. Like hit points, or experience levels. Presumably, "backstories" or "prologues" would be another abstraction-except-real. If you want an adventure world, your adventurers need to have dungeons they can delve into. So why not seed the lands with some "ancient" "ruins" full of marginally lethal traps and Longswords +1? You only have a few thousand years 'til the Snarl eats this world, you can't exactly sit on your hands and just hope some ruins crop up organically.
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2019-08-22, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
I agree with this. And from what we've been told it would seem the gods had a pretty specific theme in mind when they created this and every other world, so letting mortals build up what they envisioned almost from scratch doesn't sound very plausible to me unless there's, like, a huge degree of determinism at work.
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2019-08-22, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
I think of it as sort of like Dwarf Fortress; the base world and its "historical" aspects are procedurally generated from parameters (which in this case, the gods take turns defining); and once the world is built, the mortals are given run of the place (with the gods having specific interactions with it).
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2019-08-22, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Our battles dont hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, cant be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
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2019-08-22, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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"I think, therefore I am,
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2019-08-22, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
I think Mr Burlew probably didn't think that far into it.
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2019-08-23, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2019-08-23, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-08-24, 01:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
Kind of! The world generation models what the gods imagine mortals might do to the world that the gods care about; but mortals aren't constrained to a god's imagination (which is why the gods are entertained by them, all the surprises at what do and come up with). So you end up with ruins that look like what the gods imagine ruins would look like, without anything existing beforehand to have been ruined and without necessarily resembling what mortals' ruins are actually like.
Kinda like the abandoned mineshafts in Minecraft; which aren't even created until a player is close enough to the chunk of land they're in, even though no in-game entity other than players are truly capable of making those kinds of linear tunnels.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2019-08-24, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-24, 01:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
Was just reminded of one of my favorite quotes from Wreck-It Ralph: "It's not her fault. She was programmed with a very tragic backstory". That quote probably wouldn't be out of place in OotS, as long as you drop the programming.
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2019-08-24, 02:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-24, 05:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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'Utślie'n aurė! Aiya Eldaliė ar Atanatįri, utślie'n aurė! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómė!" The night is passing!"
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2019-08-24, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, that would be the heavy part of the "kinda".
But since that's a boring answer....What does "exist" mean? If a tree falls in a forest with no one around to hear it, does it make a sound? If you had never seen a post by me, would I never have been? If a chunk's exact content before anyone can interact with it is predetermined, does it not exist before it's detected? Quasi-random question hinting at a subjective view of an objective reality?FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2019-08-24, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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In medias res. "In the middle of things."
Because "in middles things" would make no sense.
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2019-08-24, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: First generation in a world built by gods...
Do we need to know something is there for it to exist? No. Electrons are seemingly non-existent, and they are important for. Well. Everything.
However, many things - people, places, fine cheeses - we know probably exist somewhere, and they may well exist, but unless they are made important we would not know nor care about their existence.
Ultimately, while entities, objects and things can exist without our recognition, an overly roundabout way of thinking may suggest that ideas have no importance or relevance unless they occur to us, physically or otherwise.An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-08-25, 01:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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