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2019-09-23, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
This has probably been answered, but I had thought of Enor as a Half-Dragon template put on to a Half-Ogre. But one wiki on OOTS claims that Enor is actually the Half-Dragon template put on to an Ogre.
So which is Enor?
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2019-09-24, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
I'd suppose that his parents were an Ogre and a Blue Dragon, if for no other reason than because he doesn't look like he's got much of anything else in his blood.
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2019-09-24, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Based on the last panel of #721, I think it's safe to say that one of Enor's parents was a blue dragon, and the other was a half-ogre.
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2019-09-24, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Why would he be more dragon than ogre? What Gannji says is Ogre who is half dragon (so the ogre has the half dragon template on it), than Enor says he is a half-dragon half-ogre, which I interpret as the same thing but could mean a half-dragon mated with a half-ogre (I doubt this for the same reason as HorizonWalkee).
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2019-09-24, 09:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Alright, have some hopefully more sound and convincing logic:
He say's he's half-dragon, half-ogre. Two halves add up to a whole.
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2019-09-24, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Apr 2004
Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
I took the ambiguity to be a joke in its own right.
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2019-09-24, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2019
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Green is serious talk about hypothetical
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"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
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2019-09-25, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2019
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Elnor's family tree:
Halfling --|-- Halfling Blue --|-- Dragon Halfling --|-- Halfling Ogre --|-- Ogre Halfling --|-- Blue-Dragon Halfling --|-- Ogre Half-Dragon --|-- Half-Ogre Half-Dragon Half-Ogre
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2019-09-25, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2016
Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
If he was just 50% dragon 50% ogre he wouldn’t have corrected Gangi.
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2019-09-26, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
There's plenty of ways one would find the naming pattern "half A B" offensive.
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2019-09-26, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2014
Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
"chief gruk-gruk half orc too. other half, also orc" - Precedent*for making fun of "half X" designations.
But everyone seems to agree Enor had two dragon grandparents and one ogre grandparent at least, it's just whether the fourth was an ogre or something else that's being discussed. Maybe it was a halfling? Enor does go barefoot and enjoys food a lot.
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2019-09-26, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
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2019-09-26, 03:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
But Gangi didn't say he was 50% dragon and 50% ogre, he said he was 50% dragon and 100% ogre, which clearly needed to be corrected.
Regardless, I don't think he's any percent human. I believe he had one dragon parent and one ogre parent, which does indeed make him half-dragon and half-ogre.Last edited by facw; 2019-09-26 at 03:03 PM.
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2019-09-26, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
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You know what, I'm going with yes.
More seriously, I always thought Enor was, as Ganji says a half-dragon ogre, rules-wise.
Which, as he points out makes him actually a half-ogre.
After all, if one parent isn't a ogre he can't be a full one."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2019-09-26, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
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"I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"
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2019-09-26, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2019
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-27, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2019
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- Florida
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2019-09-27, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2015
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- Brazil
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
(Wishing Joe, a low-powered superhero)
"I really like the Geek Math'ology we do here"
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2019-09-28, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
By rules terminology, a "half-dragon ogre" would have two dragon grandparents and two ogre grandparents, while a "half-dragon half-ogre" would have two dragon grandparents, one ogre grandparent, and one grandparent who was something else (most likely human). Mechanically, you can stack on as many half- templates as you want, with each one signifying "half of this, and the other half being whatever the rest of the description was". Like, if a half-dragon ogre had a kid with an angel, the result would be a half-celestial half-dragon ogre.
In common parlance, two halves make a whole, and anything that's half one thing must be half something else. In this case, a "half-dragon ogre" wouldn't make sense, and should be called a "half-dragon half-ogre", and the offspring of that and an angel would be a "half-celestial quarter-dragon quarter-ogre".
We don't know which sort of terminology Enor was using, which creates the ambiguity, hence the joke.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2019-09-28, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2019
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-28, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
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2019-09-28, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2019
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Actually, most of the kobolds are from the same family - in Koboldville, incidentally - and with each generation they randomly select vowels and do the "Y*ky*k" pattern. You can differentiate between Kobold families by the name they choose; "Y*ky*k" is one, "*K*lk*l" is another one that lived a few houses over.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
-Squire Doodad
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2019-09-29, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Last edited by skim172; 2019-09-29 at 02:48 PM.
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2019-10-02, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
I have a new head-cannon. Kolbold has alot of vowels (IPA lists 32, and kobolds may have more than humans).
The consonants in a word just indicate the part of speech/ borad category of noun/ verb/advejective/ name.
The "Y*ky*k" pattern ndicated proper name of a kobold. The *K*lk*l" pattern indicates proper name of a flying kobold.
I'm also picturing a scene where the order meets a bunch of kobolds, who's names are identical except for dialectic marks. Vaarsuvius is unable to differentiate between names like Yœkyɵk and Yɶkyɘk, but Elan is. Elan is sympathetic and understand of Vaarsuvius' limitations, which really relly upsets Vaarsuvius.
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2019-10-07, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2007
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- Australia
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2019-10-16, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2014
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
But, in my humble opinion, the most likely explanation is that his clever partner was talking in game terms, an ogre with the half dragon template applied, while Enor is not enough of a gamer to think like that. He has a dragon parent ans an ogre parent, so half dragon half ogre.
The other explanation would be funnier is Enor was more of a double thinking powergamer than his conversational partner, showing the thought he had put into his build, it's so complex that his buddy can't keep up. A bit like the scene with the half ogre chain attack of opportunity guy. Enor does not strike me as that kind of character. He's too simple.The Hindsight Awards, results: See the best movies of 1999!
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2019-10-16, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Enor = Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent or Half-Ogre parent + Blue Dragon parent?
Arrrgh, here be me extended sig!