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2024-02-02, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
And yet again, paladins prove to be a detriment.
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2024-02-02, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
"These idiot kids are stone-cold killers, probably."
Looks like another failed Bluff.
They're like Haley's arrows.
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2024-02-02, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
Well, that answers several of the questions I had about the exact nature of this imprisonment. Being conscious the whole time was specifically NOT intended, but IS what Calder endured. Ouch.
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2024-02-02, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't see how it was a poor decision. Soon wasn't a murder hobo.
Also, am I to take those last few panels to mean Seirini left the paladins behind on purpose? Why do I feel like her refusal to trust them is going to come back and bite her?
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No, they don't. Serini's attitude is the detriment - if her intent was to leave them behind. She went tearing off after Sunny in a bit of a panic. The rest of the party also neglected to ensure that the paladin's had a way up ... not just Serini.
Her 'no paladins' lines may be a bluff, she's a rogue, or, she may be aware that they didn't make it up yet. Hard to say.
Mimi in the second to last panel: mimic's gonna mimic.
Why didn't Blackwing cleverly boink out of existence for a bit? One AoE and he's done. Maybe being inside of dimensional stone makes it harder.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2024-02-02 at 12:22 PM.
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2024-02-02, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
OMG what if the IFCC pulls V to save V from the double Polar Ray? I mean, yes, we see the spells hitting and V does not look happy, but it's a story, not a D&D log. They could pull V out at the very last moment.
This is not a prediction.Last edited by Tubercular Ox; 2024-02-02 at 12:29 PM.
TinyMushroom drew my avatarSpoiler: A shaggy dog storyAn evil sorcerer in command of a dark cult is trying to unleash a god-killing abomination more real than the gods themselves. At his side, yellow eyes revealed a Haunter of the Dark. The evil sorcerer ordered it to kill.
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2024-02-02, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-02, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
Good to know Soon isn't a genocidal killer of monsters like I've seen people over the years assume him to be for some reason.
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2024-02-02, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
There is actually a (maybe) important point here, because if Soon did spare the dragon... It means that he was more similar to O-Chul then to Miko or the previous captain of the Sapphire Guard whose name now I don't remember from the O-Chul's story.
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2024-02-02, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-02, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
Not feeling it. Obviously V has to be in a position to do something important before they pull him, or else they could have just killed him. It's the loss of V that matters, not the absence.
And to make sure he is doing something important before they pull him, that may require saving him at some point.
Fair point about the vampire fight. OTOH, the vampire fight did not involve one or two Polar Rays.TinyMushroom drew my avatarSpoiler: A shaggy dog storyAn evil sorcerer in command of a dark cult is trying to unleash a god-killing abomination more real than the gods themselves. At his side, yellow eyes revealed a Haunter of the Dark. The evil sorcerer ordered it to kill.
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2024-02-02, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
V was not doing anything important when they were pulled the first time. They were out in a tunnel separated from the rest of the group. It is the absence that counts, to prevent them from being there at a crucial moment. If V dies in a battle against a red dragon, then they are certain to be absent later (and if they're not absent, it's because they got resurrected afterwards so being pulled from the battle is completely moot).
No, but it involved three ranged sneak attacks.
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2024-02-02, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-02, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I dunno, seems a bit underwhelming for a 8th level spell slot to me. Up to 1d6/level damage to a single target, maxed at 25d6 (max 150, average 87.5). I mean, Horrid Wilting does the same damage (although capped at 20d6), but for any number of creatures in range. And Symbol of insanity and Mass charm monster are the same level.
I mean, I assume an Epic Rogue would've taken improved evasion as her special ability somewhere along the progression, so that would mean even on a failed reflex save the damage is halved, and then resist fire (30) on top of that.
He would've had to cast the Ocular spell in preparation beforehand, and I don't think he had the time.
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2024-02-02, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-02, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-02, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's ironic that Soon came the closest to ending Team Evil permanently.
They do. (Also this, same guy I believe.)Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2024-02-02, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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The undercurrent of paladin-hate is either a 3.x thing, or it's a GitP thing. It has always mystified me.
I am not sure where it originates.
It's been radiating off of these web pages to me since my first arrival at GitP to read a 5e paladin guide in 2014. But let's not derail this thread.
The 5e paladin in the PHB was a very well designed class.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2024-02-02 at 01:38 PM.
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2024-02-02, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
But if they hadn't been pulled, Roy might have stopped, Girard's Gate would have stayed intact, and there would have been no Godsmoot. What's more, the IFFC wanted the godsmoot to happen because they thought it would go Hel's way and the world would be destroyed on the spot. So the IFCC did, in fact, interrupt V while they were doing something important.
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2024-02-02, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
At least in this strip, deconstruction of myths surrounding 'proper' Paladin play? As well as deconstructing the overall idea of: Be Paladin. See Creature. Creature is Always Evil. Kill Creature? And that Paladins have the perception of interfering with the murder hobo'ing that a portion of players find fun about D&D and other RPGs?
I see your point on the observation.
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2024-02-02, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-02-02, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
I would assume because he went out on a "crusade", combined with things like Start of Darkness and How the Paladin Got His Scar portraying the Guard as exactly that. Of course, it's entirely reasonable to believe they didn't start being that until after Soon's death as well, so who knows.
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2024-02-02, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Always fun when a strip explicitly says my guess was right after being argued against in a dead thread.
The possibility of the IFCC pulling V out; instead of their soul just being yoinked like last time, one of the directors cedes their time to Tiamat who gives the soul to Calder. Three minutes is a long time in combat when your wizards suddenly being dominated.
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2024-02-02, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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Re: OOTS #1297 - The Discussion Thread
I think he meant guessing that either Soon was the one who spared Calder's life, or that it wasn't intentional for him to be conscious the whole time, and the rest of his post was unrelated.
Not dominated, just absent. They get his soul, not his body. Though handing her off to Tiamat to torment for a few minutes might ease their "kill a bunch of good dragons" debt a little.Last edited by Debatra; 2024-02-02 at 01:54 PM.
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The IFCC can't save Vaarsuvius from the polar ray. They can grab their soul, but not their body. Collecting on their debt in the middle of a major fight would actually put Vaarsuvius in a great deal more danger than they were already in, since they would still be vulnerable to attack but could no longer defend themselves or fight back.
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2024-02-02, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
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Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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Actually, this not being true is probably the only reason she survived Girard's Gate exploding while practically right on top of him.
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