Dnd 3.5 - The Hunt for the Holy Grail.

[Dusk Raven]

I don’t think we are trying to hide what we are in the least. Now if that’s an individual character thing no worries but in terms of the party and the game we aren’t try to integrate with “normal” society.

Never suggested the party as a whole wanted to do so, just my character, when it would be advantageous. And also for her own vanity.

you the undead are definitely not hiding what you are, and you definitely are not trying to be one with the normal population

Sometimes, a lady just wants to look pretty. That can take the form of "obviously undead, dark beauty," but the only type of undead I know of that really lends itself to that is a vampire, and I ain't playing one of those due to the LA. ...Though, according to Libris Mortis, a Vampire Spawn's LA

A more recent mummy was an interesting idea that was proposed, but we have a mummy character submitted thus far.

Maybe I'll just play a lich. Kind of the obvious choice for a mage who wants to be undead, and its LA is acceptable. Also, liches seem more likely to go out among mortals if they so please without actively wanting kill them. I think Libris Mortis even mentions that liches who understand the value of academic collaboration will occasionally masquerade as a human and go visit academic institutions or spellcaster guids in order to keep up with the latest magical discoveries and theories. Only qualm I have is that the process of making a phylactery is described as "unspeakably evil." I've never liked the concept of undead being inherantly evil, and in the lich's case I'm not even told how or why, I'm just to take their word for it. There might be an actual explanation elsewhere in 3.5, but even if I learn it I'll keep mocking the MM's description. ...For my character, though, it would be pretty funny if she described it as unspeakably evil, enjoying giving descriptions of the horror of a lich's creation, but it's actually really tame.

Unless she's a recent convert, though, she'll have to have Wizard levels if she's to use Polymorph or even Disguise Undead. Being a Wizard would make me worry about not adhering to "low to mid optimization." Wizards can be quite powerful, if they're built right. I'm not great at that, but still. I did really want to play a Dread Necromancer, in part due to its simplified spell list, but some of their class features are rendered moot by being undead. ...Wizard it is, I think. Or a Sorcerer, I'd have lower optimization, and spontaneous casting!

Are saves/ Bab fractional ? Is int gain retroactive?
Is int loss later also retroactive? Or not?

How would you lose INT as an undead? They're immune to ability damage and drain, and I can't think of a lot of other ways to reduce their INT... other than templates or a Deck of Many Things, but neither are available to us.

[Rilem]

How would you lose INT as an undead?

It'd be as a template, I'd imagine … Curst get an Int. penalty from the original creature — as I've discovered — and Mummy template also has one, I think.

Good point that "unspeakably evil" simply means, "I can't/won't tell you how evil it is." Maybe you just have to give a presentation before the Loch Rotary.

[Burning Spear]

I did not specify fractional bab or saves

SO i Will use those if you don't mind, it removes the additional +2 for each class as well, so lowers the power level which you should appreciate

Normally I would say skill points are retro, but if somehow you lose int along the way, then you should adjust appropriately

Mummy gains -4 Int, hence my question. but I will build with the reduction already calculater into it all.

The characters are required to be undead, if polymorph or some other causes a type change, then I am forced to go with not allowing the change.

I think you misunderstand, polymorph doesn't inherently (nor permanently) change the original type of the caster, it only temporarily changes it to something new.
Same goes for Glorious Servitor's Bestial Form.

There is the feat Corrupted Wild Shape, which would imo work on a Glorious Servitor's as that's based on a select form of Polymorph.

Research what you may need, it is not my job to do such

That was more a question out loud to the rest of the players, heh..

Thanks for the reply anyway.

It'd be as a template, I'd imagine … Curst get an Int. penalty from the original creature — as I've discovered — and Mummy template also has one, I think.

Good point that "unspeakably evil" simply means, "I can't/won't tell you how evil it is." Maybe you just have to give a presentation before the Loch Rotary.

The Mummy template gives a -4 Int, hence me trying to figure out how that affects character creation.

[Dusk Raven]

It'd be as a template, I'd imagine … Curst get an Int. penalty from the original creature — as I've discovered — and Mummy template also has one, I think.

Mummy gains -4 Int, hence my question. but I will build with the reduction already calculater into it all.

Ah, it hadn't occurred to me that one could get an INT penalty from the undead template itself, despite having been told about the Curst earlier.

In the meantime... I think Merideath's aesthetic concerns can be solved with a Hat of Disguise and possibly something to disguise the smell - something that's been dead for as long as a lich shouldn't have much one one, but it's still a good base to cover. A Hat of Disguise also means I don't need Disguise Self on my list, so Dread Necromancer is back on the table. DN still has the issue of having a lot of its features eclipsed by the Lich template (the point is that you're slowly becoming a lich, after all), and its spell selection, while spontaneous, is much more limited. It is, however, lower-optimization and less of a headache for me, as I have fewer potential spells to worry about. Could also PrC out so I get actual class features. The Wizard may be the superior choice in terms of power, but it'll also take a lot more sifting through sourcebooks.

One other consideration - the Dread Necro is better than the Wizard in terms of making and controlling undead, thanks to some class features that aren't Lich Jr. abilities. That's not necessarily a point in its favor, though - from the fact that Leadership is banned, I assume samduke doesn't want to deal with too many minions, and I don't want to deal with minions much, either.

I think I'll make a Dread Necro build first for expediency's sake, then if I have time I'll work on a Wizard build and decide which I want.

[Lioslaith]

As I mentioned an individual character choice is a completely different matter. There will be no question who my death knight is and was.

I think I am down to a few magic items and feats.

[Breitheamh]

Okay, so it doesn't look like anyone claimed this yet, but how about a Curst Black Knight? Curst is kind of a sucky template, but if we're going for goofiness more than optimization, it feels fitting that a particular king may have cut off my limbs recently and I just want him to finish the job... please...

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Alright, so 32 pb it is lol

[Auranghzeb]

Long shot, but making my rolls:

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[Lioslaith]

Long shot, but making my rolls:

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Don’t forget you can do 32 pb if you don’t like them. Mine were horrific.

[Burning Spear]

Don’t forget you can do 32 pb if you don’t like them. Mine were horrific.

She should have allowed a Dice pool, where every player can choose from any of the results rolled by everyone, lol. (just wishful thinking.)

[Lioslaith]

I’ve seen a pick your own stats thread before. Was surprisingly calm.

[Modigar]

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Edit: Well that's a full caster line if ever I saw one.

[Auranghzeb]

Don’t forget you can do 32 pb if you don’t like them. Mine were horrific.

Mine are perfect for what I want, and won't look very different from a point buy. That 17 makes it better than what 32 point buy could afford with my idea (A silly silly idea).

However, I need to ask If Psychic rogue is a valid choice of class. Web Mind's Eye are technically official

[Burning Spear]

@ Sammy;

My PrC needs Know.Local 6 as a prerequisite, seeing your world is your creation and not an existing one,
I will for now put 6 points in Know. Local - Mulhorand, and if you want that changing to something more specific of your world, let me know plz.

[Psycho Ban]

Noob question, where should I put maneuvers and stances on my character sheet?

[Lioslaith]

Do you have room in the features area?

[Psycho Ban]

Do you have room in the features area?

I'll do that, thanks.

[Psycho Ban]

I think I'm done?

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2898589
Garg Harg-Darg.

[Burning Spear]

I think I'm done?

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2898589
Garg Harg-Darg.

Not trying to be harsh, but that sheet is full of mistakes/ holes..

[Psycho Ban]

Not trying to be harsh, but that sheet is full of mistakes/ holes..

Okay, what did I do wrong?

[Burning Spear]

Okay, what did I do wrong?

• What armour is it exactly?
• You Bab + all modifiers for the weapon entry?
• What are class abilities, what are feats, racial abilities? its just one big jumble
• Cursespweing? Cursespewing I guess?
• What Languages?
• What Knowledge Skill?

[Psycho Ban]

Thanks! I think I fixed it?

[Burning Spear]

Thanks! I think I fixed?

It helps if you use this:

Garg Harg-Darg
Male Lawful Evil Human Ghost Crusader 7/ Tainted Warrior 6, Level 13, Init 1, HP 156/156, DR 3/good, Speed 20
AC 31, Touch 17, Flat-footed 30, Fort 12, Ref 6, Will 6, Base Attack Bonus 13
Masterwork Ravenous Souldrinking Marrowcrushing Cursespewing Ghost Touch +5 Goliath Greathammer +19 (1d12, x4)
Masterwork Ghost Touch +5 Dendritic Crystal (+14 Armor, +1 Dex, +6 Deflect)
Abilities Str 23, Dex 12, Con -, Int 13, Wis 12, Cha 23
Condition None

Perhaps a piccy?
Where is Dendritic from? it that an armour by itself?

[Psycho Ban]

It helps if you use this:

Garg Harg-Darg
Male Lawful Evil Human Ghost Crusader 7/ Tainted Warrior 6, Level 13, Init 1, HP 156/156, DR 3/good, Speed 20
AC 31, Touch 17, Flat-footed 30, Fort 12, Ref 6, Will 6, Base Attack Bonus 13
Masterwork Ravenous Souldrinking Marrowcrushing Cursespewing Ghost Touch +5 Goliath Greathammer +19 (1d12, x4)
Masterwork Ghost Touch +5 Dendritic Crystal (+14 Armor, +1 Dex, +6 Deflect)
Abilities Str 23, Dex 12, Con -, Int 13, Wis 12, Cha 23
Condition None

Perhaps a piccy?
Where is Dendritic from? it that an armour by itself?

It is an armor by itself, it is from races of Faerun, and thank you for the cool template set-up thingy.

[Psycho Ban]

Just realized I meant Chaotic Evil, will adjust accordingly.
Garg Harg-Darg
Garg Harg-Darg
Male Chaotic Evil Human Ghost Crusader 7/ Tainted Warrior 6, Level 13, Init 1, HP 156/156, DR 3/good, Speed 20
AC 31, Touch 17, Flat-footed 30, Fort 12, Ref 6, Will 6, Base Attack Bonus 13
Masterwork Ravenous Souldrinking Marrowcrushing Cursespewing Ghost Touch +5 Goliath Greathammer +19 (1d12, x4)
Masterwork Ghost Touch +5 Dendritic Crystal (+14 Armor, +1 Dex, +6 Deflect)
Abilities Str 23, Dex 12, Con -, Int 13, Wis 12, Cha 23
Condition None

[Burning Spear]

Just realized I meant Chaotic Evil, will adjust accordingly.

Do take into account you have to probably be able to play with other people,
with an chaotic evil Ghost, angry and loud, I don't see any of that shining through.

Just cause we are undead doesn't mean all we can be is evil and killy.

[Psycho Ban]

Do take into account you have to probably be able to play with other people,
with an chaotic evil Ghost, angry and loud, I don't see any of that shining through.

Just cause we are undead doesn't mean all we can be is evil and killy.

Taken into accord, will be player friendly and only angry, loud, and CE, when funny/plot necessitated.

[Burning Spear]

Taken into accord, will be player friendly and only angry, loud, and CE, when funny/plot necessitated.

Maybe alaborate a bit more on his life story, personality etc? Skirt size background doesn't mean a mini-skirt

[samduke]

Mine are perfect for what I want, and won't look very different from a point buy. That 17 makes it better than what 32 point buy could afford with my idea (A silly silly idea).

However, I need to ask If Psychic rogue is a valid choice of class. Web Mind's Eye are technically official

Psychic rogue approved

Notation on alignment, I mentioned this, please no chaotic stupid, as such please have a character that can work with others

[Dusk Raven]

She should have allowed a Dice pool, where every player can choose from any of the results rolled by everyone, lol. (just wishful thinking.)

I’ve seen a pick your own stats thread before. Was surprisingly calm.

The first time I saw a "pick your own stats" thread, I was highly skeptical, but I wound up liking it and people seemed responsible with it. Of course, as far as rolling methods go, I like having each player roll, their numbers go on a 6x6 grid, and people pick a row, column, or diagonal from there.

Of course, my favorite method of determining stats is by tarot card draw, but that requires a 3rd-party book, so I'm probably going to be the only one using that method.

Noob question, where should I put maneuvers and stances on my character sheet?

I put them in the spellcasting section, myself. After all, it's going to be a very empty section otherwise. If you want an example, here's a sheet of mine from another campaign.

[Burning Spear]

Leeadership shenanigans aren't allowed, but can we hire NPC hirelings for money?
Like a Goblin? (lvl 5 Generic Expert) normal humanoid non-undead, as a messenger/ generic manservant of sorts?