Arena Tournament, Round 33: Stonefist vs. Running Fist

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Arena Tournament, Round 33: Stonefist vs. Running Fist

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XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

docnessuno - Stonefist
KaganMonk - Running Fist

All Combatants, please roll initiative.

[docnessuno]

No purchases

Initiative: - (1d20)[17]
Edit1: 1st mistake: forgot to add my init. bonus... so that's 17+1=18
[Just noriced i didn't wrote the +2 to initiative from 'aggressive' trait in my sheet]
Total initiative: 18

Note:
This is my 1st arena here, i hope i don't screw up too badly

[KaganMonk]

Buy 10 shurikens, 2gp

My first time too, don't sweat it.

Edit: was only to get the die roller working. If you want me to roll again, let me know.

[roll=Initiative]d20+2[/roll]

[KaganMonk]

Going to try again, since I can't make it work.
Initiative - (d20+2)[13]

[docnessuno]

Ok
I start in B13

This shouldn't be hided since we can see each other starting position, correct?

[Paladin Latham]

Correct. Good luck to both of you!

[KaganMonk]

Start in Y14. You have initiative
Nothing in my hands.

Stats for Refs

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HP:8
AC: 16 (10 + 4 Wis[Monk] + 2 Dex)
Touch:16 FF: 14
Saves: 2/4/6
In Hand: Nothing

[docnessuno]

2x Move in M13

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HP:17/17 | AC:11 TO:8 FF:12 | Saves:+4/-1/+4 | Hands:Greatclub

Done

[KaganMonk]

I move

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Move to X20.
Hide - (d20+2)[15]
MS - (d20+2)[17]

Listen - (d20+5)[15]
Spot - (d20+6)[19]

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Location:X20
HP:8
AC: 16 (10 + 4 Wis[Monk] + 2 Dex)
Touch:16 FF: 14
Saves: 2/4/6
In Hand: Nothing

Edit: Roll spot and listen

[docnessuno]

Since i was seeing you when you started to move, shoulden't you list the last spot i saw you, before losing LOS?

Listen + spot

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listen - (1d20+6)[12] | spot - (1d20+4)[8]

[KaganMonk]

When I moved, I started hiding. Near as I can tell, through the glass the last place you saw me was where I started. If a ref gives otherwise, I'll gladly go with it.

[Talic]

Ref Talic

Stonefist and Running Fist lose sight of each other as Running Fist moves south from Y14 to Y15, gaining total concealment from 2 panes of glass.

[docnessuno]

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The walls seems quite brittle, what would likely happen if instead of attaking them i just run toward one hoping to pass on the other side?

Not Done

[Talic]

@Refs, Stonefist:

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The meneuver you describe is under the Breaking and entering section of the SRD. According to the SRD, the glass in this arena is 3 inches thick, however, no SRD entry listing is given for the break DC of glass on a strength check. Either you'll need a High Ref to rule on one, or you may attempt to sunder it, per rules in same section. My personal opinion would be no higher than the DC for a wooden door, but it's not my decision to make. Further, the action for breaking a door by strength doesn't have an action type that I'm aware of. Likely it will be either a standard or a full round action, again, not within my power to rule.

[Bayar]

@refs, Stonefist:

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I would say it could take as long as sunder (standard), since it would still be an attack-like maneuver to use your momentum to break the glass.

And the AC would probably be 10 -5 (DEX 0) -2 (inanimate) +4/+8 (size Large or Huge, dunno which one).
The DC to break would be about as a good door, since we know the glass has 3 HP, and normal glass has 1 HP.

But this is only IMHO.

[docnessuno]

@Refs

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I was thinking more of a charge-like (full round with the break attempt inbetween 2xmove and not at the end of it, still mandatory straight-line movement).
Will wait untill an high-ref says something new

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

@refs, Stonefist:

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The default Break DC of glass is 18. Found it in Dungeonscape.

[docnessuno]

@Refs

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wow, quite high but i'm going to try
About the action itself?

[KaganMonk]

Just checking in. I'll be able to post tomorrow for sure, so let me know when it is my turn.

[Kyeudo]

@refs, Stonefist:

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I'd say that breaking something is a standard action.

[docnessuno]

My action, part 1

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Standard action: Try to break the glass wall between M13 and N13
Strenght check - (1d20+4)[13]

[docnessuno]

My action, part 2

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Move action: move to M7
Spot - (1d20+4)[14] Listen - (1d20+6)[23]

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HP:17/17 | AC:11 TO:8 FF:12 | Saves:+4/-1/+4 | Hands:Greatclub

Done

[KaganMonk]

Full Move

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Move to T24
Hide - (d20+2)[5]
MS - (d20+2)[15]

Listen - (d20+5)[10]
Spot - (d20+6)[24]

Apply dodge to my only opponent

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Location:T24
HP:8
AC: 16 (10 + 4 Wis[Monk] + 2 Dex) (not including dodge +1)
Touch:16 FF: 14
Saves: 2/4/6
In Hand: Nothing

Done, but I'd like a LoS check please

[Talic]

Ref Talic

LOS For Everyone!

@Stonefist:

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No LoS at the end of your move, of any time thereafter

@Running Fist:

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No Los at any point during your move.

@Refs:

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Wall at (M/N, 8) and (U/V, 17) are providing total concealment at start of move. At end, (M/N, 8), (O, 13/14), and (Q, 20/21) block LoS both ways. At all parts of move, (M/N, 8) and at least one pane along S and E walls block LoS.

However, I'm concerned about one thing. At start of move, Stonefist is using (M/N, 8) as cover, and it also provides concealment. Cover rules state that player closest to a low obstacle (+4 Cover to AC, similar to these) ignores the cover. Does that mean that he will also ignore the concealment?

If so, that will give him brief LoS of Running Fist as he starts his move in X20, until he reaches V21, enroute to T24. Won't change Running Fist's move here, but it could affect Stonefist's upcoming move.

Play paused for a moment.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

@talic, refs

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Low Obstacles and Cover

A low obstacle (such as a wall no higher than half your height) provides cover, but only to creatures within 30 feet (6 squares) of it. The attacker can ignore the cover if he’s closer to the obstacle than his target.

Low cover rules apply to obstacles no more than half a PCs height. The individual panes are 5' square, but the wall is 20' tall. Low cover doesn't apply.

Also, concerning the breaking of the walls, docnessuno tried to break a wall, but didn't specify which pane vertically. The wall is 5' panes, 4 high, that remain even if isolated, so presumable he meant the pane touching the ground which doesn't matter since it didn't break.

@stonefist

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Concerning your attempt to break a wall: remember that the wall is made up of 5' square panes. So the section between M13 and N13 has 4 separate panes of glass. You might want to specify which 5' section you are targeting with the break attempt or attack, to avoid possible confusion. In this case, it was obviously the ground level pane, since you were basically trying to run through it.

Also, the LoS check from Talic was correct.

@Running Fist

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The LoS from Talic was correct.

Play may now continue.

[docnessuno]

My action

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Ok since i have no LoS Runningfist is either near O15 or near S22 trying to sneak up behind me, so i'll try to close-up
No more fancy break attempt, this time i'll just smash the panels with my greatclub
Move action: move back to M13
Standard action: Smash panel between M13 and M14 (Ground level)
Hit - (1d20+5)[6]
if threat:
Confirm - (1d20+5)[16]
if hits:
Damage - (1d10+6)[16]
if crits add:
CritDamage - (1d10+6)[16]
Edit: How to wast 2 10's damage rolls with a crappy one agaisnt a wall..

Spot + Listen:
Spot - (1d20+4)[13] Listen - (1d20+5)[6]
Edit: listhen should have been at +6, still a natual 1, OUCH!

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HP:17/17 | AC:11 TO:8 FF:12 | Saves:+4/-1/+4 | Hands:Greatclub

Done

[KaganMonk]

My Turn:

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Move: Move silently to R26
Standard: Full Defense
If opponent uses a ranged weapon, I use Deflect Arrows

MS - (d20+2)[9]

Listen - (d20+5)[15]
Spot - (d20+6)[26]

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Location: R26
HP:8
AC: 16 (10 + 4 Wis[Monk] + 2 Dex) (not including dodge +1+4 Defensive)
Touch:16 FF: 14
Saves: 2/4/6

[Seribro]

@Stonefist:

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No Los

@Running Fist:

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No Los

[docnessuno]

My action, part 1

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Uff, trying again against the same panel
Standard action: Smash panel between M13 and M14 (Ground level) with my greatclub.
To_Hit - (1d20+5)[23]
if threat:
Confirm - (1d20+5)[8]
if hits:
Damage - (1d10+6)[10]
if crits add:
Critical - (1d10+6)[7]

If i finally break it i will wait for LoS to take my move action
Spot + Listen:
Spot - (1d20+4)[18] Listen - (1d20+6)[20]

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HP:17/17 | AC:11 TO:8 FF:12 | Saves:+4/-1/+4 | Hands:Greatclub

Not Done

[Talic]

Ref Talic

@Stonefist:

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No LOS

@Running Fist:

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No LOS

@Refs:

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Total Concealment provided by 2 glass panes, at (Q, 24/25) and (M/N, 14).
1 panel broken, ground level (M, 13/14)

Players currently at M13 and R26.

Play continues.