Arena Tournament, Round 42: Yoshi vs Tremsa

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Arena Tournament, Round 42: Yoshi vs. Tremsa

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XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Yoshi - Mavian
Tremsa - Beren One-Handed

All gladiators please roll initiative

[Beren One-Hand]

Tremsa Shaor

Stepping into the light, a small figure warped in a black gauze shawl trembles slightly in anticipation.

(1d20+4)[15]

Note to opponent: I am unable to view myth-weaver sheets, so I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from viewing mine for the match, as I cannot reciprocate.

Possible purchases coming.

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I would like my rope to start out knotted if possible, to make it easier to climb. If this is legal, how much rope length is left, and will it affect the grappling hook's range/ease of use?

[Mavian]

Hmm, I completely missed this match being created.

Initiative: (1d20+4)[15]

Purchases will depend on if you purchase anything

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Increasing my speed to 40 with Carmendine Monk

[Beren One-Hand]

Looks like we roll again.

Good luck

Initiative: (1d20+4)[24]

I'll not buy anything if you'll not buy anything.

[Beren One-Hand]

Well with a roll like that I'm going to assume I made it and post my first move. If you manage to tie me again, we can just ignore this post and roll again.

Tremsa Shaor

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Starting in P21 with a knotted silken rope in hand, complete with attached grappling hook.

Looking around and not seeing her opponent, she darts off to the protection of the small trees. (Move 35' to U18)
Resting momentarily she readies herself for her advisary's inevitable approach.

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Ready an action to blast Yoshi with an Elderitch Blast if he gets within range (60')

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Various questions for refs, not immediately important, but would like answered when LOS is checked

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1) If I have 40' of silk rope and it has been knotted to make climbing it a DC 5 skill check, how much length of rope is left to be used?
2) Does knotting it in this way affect the DC to use it with a grappling hook?
3) How high are the haystacks?
4) Can you push your way into a haystack, either to move through them or to hide. And if so how many squares of movement does it use?

[Mavian]

Initiative: (1d20+4)[13]

I'm going to buy 2 alchemist fires.

[Mavian]

Yoshi - Round 1

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Starting in K6 with an alchemist fire in each hand.
Move Action: K6 to J6, to check if he's on that side of the map
if no LoS if LoS my move will change.
Move Action: J6 to Q7

Need LoS Check

[Beren One-Hand]

Then I'll buy a potion of Obscuring Mist.

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And start with it and the rope/grappling hook in hand. My move and ready action have no change.

[SamTheCleric]

@Yoshi

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From Q7 you see Tremsa standing in a tree at U18. You have cover against her.

@Tremsa

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You can just barely make out Yoshi in Q7, he has cover from the corner.

[Beren One-Hand]

Tremsa Shaor Round 2

Sighting her quarry, the small gnome darts forward to the shelter of another tree. Once safety is reached a wicked grin crosses her face, as an evil light glints in her eyes. Licking her cracked lips, she utters a single slyable causing the vary air to tremble.

Move Action: Move to T12, once again with a tree
Standard Action: Use Balefull Utterance at the corner of Q/R-7/8

Make a DC 15 Will save or lose your Alchemist Fires.
If you fail you make a DC 15 Fort save or be dazed for 1 round and deafened for 1 minute.
If you fail you might also take fire damage from your exploding weapons.
Fire 1 (1d6)[1]
Fire 2 (1d6)[6]

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HP: 8 HP
AC: 20 = 10 + 4(Dex) + 1(Size) + 3(Armor) + 2(Circumstance)
DR: 3/Cold Iron
Fort +3 / Ref +5 (from tree) / Will +2(+5 vs Enchantment)

In Hand: Knotted Rope/Grappling Hook & Potion of Obscuring Mist
Current Location: T12 with a tree

[Mavian]

Actually, my turn wasn't quite done, I've only used a move action thus far and still have my standard action left to take.

Yoshi - Round 1

Standard Action: Move from Q7 back out of sight.

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Move from Q7-L8 and hide (1d20+7)[21] -5 for movement included

[Beren One-Hand]

Sorry about that, I assumed you were done when you stopped moving.

Now for my actual round 2
Tremsa: Round 2

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With her opponent running scared, she decides to take the high ground. Quitely she moves up next to the barn and tosses her grappling hook up to the roof.

Move Action: Move to R17 (with a tree)
Standard Action: Set grappling hook
Use Rope check (DC 16): (1d20+6)[22]

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HP: 8 HP
AC: 20 = 10 + 4(Dex) + 1(Size) + 3(Armor) + 2(Tree)
DR: 3/Cold Iron
Fort +3 / Ref +5 (w/ +1 from tree) / Will +2(+5 vs Enchantment)

Invocations:
Eldritch Blast: Ranged Touch Attack +5 (1d6 damage) w/in 60'
Baleful Utterance: Shatter plus Fort save or daze/deafen (30' range, DC 15)

Spell-like Abiliites:
Silence (centered on self) - 1/day CL 1
Mage Hand - 1/day CL 1
Ghost Sound - 1/day CL 1
Message - 1/day CL 1

In Hand: Potion of Obscuring Mist
Current Location: R17

[Mavian]

Yoshi - Round 2

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Move Action: L8 back to Q7
Hide Check: (1d20+7)[18]

Not done,

[Bayar]

@Mavian:

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You barely see your opponent in R17 (the one with the tree), securing his grappling hook to the roof of the barn.

@Beren:

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No LOS.

@refs:

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Reactive spot check for Beren: (1d20+2)[6] VS 18

[Mavian]

Yoshi - Round 2 cont

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Standard Action: Ready an action to move if Tremsa gets 20 feet or more up the rope.

Note: other people have readied actions while hiding and not have it break the hide, if this is a mistake instead of precedent, I would like to redo my move.
Precedent Here:

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Hp: 5/5 Dr 3/lawful
AC: 21/19
Position: Q7
Alchemist Fire in each hand.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

Mavian

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Yeah, readying an action is a visible act, but not a physical movement (if that makes sense), so you can maintain a hide. It's done alot.

and unrelated to the above spoiler...

You can't really tell your opponent they can't look at your sheet. It's unfortunate that you can't access his for whatever reason, but you need to find some other solution. Mavian has the right to look at your sheet per the Arena rules. Perhaps he'd be willing to send you a PM with his stat block, or email you the sheet. There are ways around it. We certainly don't want give anyone an unfair advantage. If there's something I can do to help facilitate a solution, send me a PM.

[chilepepper]

edit: interweb duplexed my post

[Beren One-Hand]

Tremsa: Round 3

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Pocketing her flask, the gnome attempts to climb.

Move action: Stow the potion
Move action: Climb 20' DC 0 (1d20-7)[13] (with -5 for accelerated climbing)

chilepepper: I understand that. I was just letting him know that I couldn't. It is up to him if he wants to or not. I wouldn't want someone to accidently do something they would feel isn't fairplay.

[SamTheCleric]

@Beren

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You don't see him

@Mavian

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She climbs the rope. You may take your readied action.

[Mavian]

Yoshi - Round 3

Haha, you have fallen for my fiendishly cunning plan.

I had a readied action that I will take as you climb the rope.

Move Action: Q7 to R14

This then bumps my initiative to the top of round 4.

Yoshi - Round 4

Move Action: R14 to R16
Standard Action: Throw a vial of Alchemist Fire at you
Attack: (1d20+4)[11] (penalties for Range Included) vs your touch AC minus Dex for being on a rope.
Damage: (1d6)[5] + (1d6)[5] Skirmish

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Hp: 5/5 Dr 3/lawful
AC: 21/19
Position: R16
Alchemist Fire in hand.

[Beren One-Hand]

Ouch!!!!
But before I concede defeat I'd like a few things explained...

1) How we're you able to see me without me seeing you? As far as I can tell, there's nothing to hide behind (or in) outside of the barn.
2) How'd you get a +8 ranged attack modifier with splash weapons? I assume you have a +4 dex modifier (or I would have gone first without having to re-roll). Above that you can have +1 BAB (although I don't know how you can get +1 BAB and skirmish damage) and +2 if you're a halfling. That's only +7. Does weapon focus work for splash weapons? I'm 20' away from you, so that's a -4 range penalty (as alchemist fire has a range of 10' and you take -2 for every 10' the target is away from you), and you rolled 1d20+4.
If you forgot the second range penalty, then you rolled a 9 which is a miss and need to roll where it landed (although I wouldn't know how to do that in three dimensions).

[SamTheCleric]

1) The hide was legal, he was around the corner, which provides cover. You may make hide checks if you have cover or concealment relative to the target.

2) You only apply range increment penalties after the first increment. If you are at 20' he is at the second range increment, so it is only -2. (4 for dex, 1 for small size, 1 for halfling bonus to thrown weapons, total +6. -2 for range, so +4 total)

[Beren One-Hand]

1) The hide was legal, he was around the corner, which provides cover. You may make hide checks if you have cover or concealment relative to the target.

Okay, I can see that based on the ranged cover rules. It seems strange that from any outside square in column Q you can see everything in rows R through Z, but it's no news that DnD rules are strange.

2) You only apply range increment penalties after the first increment. If you are at 20' he is at the second range increment, so it is only -2. (4 for dex, 1 for small size, 1 for halfling bonus to thrown weapons, total +6. -2 for range, so +4 total)

This I have an issue with however. According to the rules presented in the SRD (equipment section) the range penalty should be -4. (Emphasis mine)

Range Increment: Any attack at less than this distance is not penalized for range. However, each full range increment imposes a cumulative –2 penalty on the attack roll. A thrown weapon has a maximum range of five range increments. A projectile weapon can shoot out to ten range increments.

Alchemist Fire has a range of 10', so there is no penalty for throwing it one square (5'), -2 penalty for throwing it 2-3 squares (10'-15'), -4 penalty for throwing it 4-5 squares (20'-25'), -6 penalty for throwing it 6-7 squares (30'-35'), -8 penalty for throwing it 8-9 squares (40'-45'), and -10 penalty for throwing it 10 squares (50').

[chilepepper]

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Beren is correct about the range penalty. At 20' that's a -4 to the attack roll.

[Mavian]

He is 20 feet up the rope.

That means he is 15 feet above me. Hence why I only subracted 2 from my roll.

[Beren One-Hand]

I'm not sure where you're getting that data. If you take the vertical surface and rotate so it is horizontal (as below) you can count out the squares. I started in the "S" square, moved four squares up (climbing 20') and ended in the "E" square. You moved to the "Y" square and threw the fire. It takes 4 squares to reach me, which is 20'.

Vertical Wall
- - - - = +30' (top of the wall)
X | X X = +25 to +30'
X E X X = +20 to +25'
X | X X = +15 to +20'
X | X X = +10 to +15'
X | X X = +5 to +10'
X S Y X = +0' to +5' (ground level)

[chilepepper]

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Beren is again correct with the math.

[SamTheCleric]

(Edit: Working this out in my head...)

If we treat it as normal distance...

[Y][ ][ ][ ][T]

That is 20' of distance. If you rotated it vertically... there would be 3 squares between yoshi and tremsa, making it 20' of distance.

The range increment thing is new to me and I'm getting some clarification on that... but if you're right, everyone I've ever known to play 3rd edition has done it wrong

[Beren One-Hand]

You forgot the a character is considered to occupy the full 5' cube. So he takes up the first 5' as his person. the 10 and 15 are empty and at 20' is Beren. That is only 15'.

20 - Beren
15- empty
10 - empty
5 - Mavian
-------- 0', or ground. Can not be occupied

Since he occupies the cube in 5'... and you occupy the cube at 20'... he is not trying to hit you at 25'. he is trying to hit you at 20', the lowest point he needs to hit. 15'.

Let's look at this another way...

- 1 2 3
A x x x
B x x x
C x x x

By that logic someone in A1 can hit someone in A3 with a melee attack that has only 5' reach, as the nearest point you need it hit is 5' away from him. But that is clearly wrong, it takes a melee attack with 10' reach to hit the guy in A3.

There is no difference in this case. There are three empty cubes plus one to the side that the weapon must travel through, and four cubes equals 20'.

[SamTheCleric]

High Ref Sam, the Shamed

yes, I edited my post when I actually worked it out in my head.

And I just looked up the Range Increment example in the PHB. It lists a shortbow not having a penalty at 0-59 feet... so you're right on that. I'm so yelling at my DM next ession.

Sorry for the interruption, the attack misses and play resumes with Tremsa.