Arena Tournamentt, Round 37: Zelandros vs Chile IV

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Arena Tournament, Round 37: Zelandros vs. Chile IV

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XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Mavian - Zelandros
Chilepepper - Chile IV

All gladiators please roll initiative

[Mavian]

Initiative : (1d20+1)[9]

Give me a few to determine spells and items... it's been almost 2 months since Z's actually seen action.

[chilepepper]

They put the wrong link at the top, if you want my character sheet, use the link in my signature.

"Init" - (1d20+5)[14]

[Mavian]

They would be me, to many chile's in the list when I was grabbing character links

A warmage eh, guess that means I'll be picking up a shield scroll... other purchases will be dependent upon your purchases.

[chilepepper]

I'm AFB tonite and won't be around Thursday. You can expect my purchases and first move sometime Friday.

[chilepepper]

Okay, sorry about the wait, but RL has been very hectic and every moment I had to get online I couldn't get through to the forums.

Lemme check on purchases, I'll be right back.

[chilepepper]

2 sleep-smoke
1 potion mage armor

Since we don't have LoS, I'll go ahead and start

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I'll start in Z13 with my tent in Y13-Y14. Sleepsmoke in one hand, mage armor in the other.
Quaff Mage Armor, drop vial
Move Z13-Z5
Done

Done (stats coming as an edit)

edit: stats for refs

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HP: 3/3
AC: 19 T15 F14 (w/ Mage Armor)
Spells: 5, 4, 1
Position: Z5
In Hand: Sleepsmoke // Empty

[KCiemir]

High Ref KC

Hey all, but due to another double-DQ,

this match is the first of a best of three finals match.

thats right, you both made it to the finals, and this is it.

[Mavian]

Purchases for this match:
1xScroll of Shield
1xScroll of Resist Energy

Zelandros - Round 1

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Move Action: B13 to E13
Standard Action: Ready an action to cast a rapid summon undead 1 if LoS is gained.

@Refs:

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I don't think it really matters at the moment, but the Cliff is 20' high all they way around, correct? At least thats the way it seems to be worded in the map precedents.

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Hp: 7
Ac: 11
Speed: 30
Position: E13
Spells:
0th - 3xAcid Splash
1st - 2xRapid Summon Undead 1, 1xRapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Summon Monster 1

[chilepepper]

You have to specify the type of energy resisted, since it's a scroll.

[Mavian]

Cold, as noted on my character sheet.

[chilepepper]

Okay, thank you.

I'll also buy a scroll of 2 Scorching Ray.

I'll continue unless you want to hold the action until buying is done.

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Move to Z1, draw scroll unless she buys something that would make the scroll pointless, like a resist energy (fire) scroll.

Done.

[Mavian]

You know, I did some thinking, and your asking me what my Resist Energy scroll was makes no sense.

If I was to copy the spell into my spellbook from the scroll, would it only allow me to cast the one specific resistance? No, it would allow me to cast it anyway I wanted. The scrolls specifically state that casting a spell of a scroll is exactly like casting a prepared spell, whereas the rules for potions state that the creator makes all the decisions for the spell. If scrolls didn't allow the caster to chose, then scrolls of wish would be completely useless, because you could only get the wish of that the caster defined.

So no, I don't believe I have to choose while purchasing which energy to resist.

That said, I'll pick up a spare resist just in case. And then I'll send it back to you before taking my turn, in case you want to buy anything else.

[chilepepper]

Yep, you're right, scrolls are different than potions. My apologies.

Umm. I guess I'm all set with purchases. Go ahead and take your next turn.

[Mavian]

Zelandros - Round 2

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Move Action: E13 to I14
Standard Action: Ready an action to cast a rapid summon undead 1 if LoS is established.

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Hp: 7
Ac: 11
Speed: 30
Position: E13
Spells:
0th - 3xAcid Splash
1st - 2xRapid Summon Undead 1, 1xRapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Summon Monster 1

[chilepepper]

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5' step to y2, ready an action to cast ice knife on LoS

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HP: 3/3
AC: 19 T15 F14 (w/ Mage Armor)
Spells: 5, 4, 1
Position: Z5
In Hand: Sleepsmoke, scroll of scorching ray // Empty

Done

[KCiemir]

High Ref KC

@Mav:

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No LoS

@Chile:

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No LoS

[Mavian]

Zelandros - Round 3

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Move Action: I14 to 014
Since we don't have LoS, I'm going to attempt to be sneaky since I shouold have cover from being higher than him.
Hide:(1d20-4)[11]
Standard Action: Ready an action to cast a rapid summon undead 1 if LoS is established.

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Hp: 7
Ac: 11
Speed: 30
Position: E13
Spells:
0th - 3xAcid Splash
1st - 2xRapid Summon Undead 1, 1xRapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Summon Monster 1

[chilepepper]

Assuming no LoS

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So when LoS is established, I'll most likely have cover from the hard corner at the bottom of the stairs. I'm going to hide and maintain both the hide and the ready action. That way my opponent will be flat footed when I fire, hopefully.
Hide (1d20+7)[19]

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HP: 3/3
AC: 19 T15 F14 (w/ Mage Armor)
Spells: 5, 4, 1
Position: Y2
In Hand: Sleepsmoke, scroll of scorching ray // Empty

Done, gonna fetch a LoS check

[FlyMolo]

Initiate Ref FlyMolo

chilepepper

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No Los

Mavian

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No Los

[Mavian]

Zelandros - Round 3

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Move Action: O14 to U13
I'm still assuming, unless someone informs me differently, that the cliff is 20', including by the stairs, if this isn't so, It'll change my move.
Hide:(1d20-4)[1]
Standard Action: Cast a rapid summon monster 1 for a Small Monstrous Scorpion in Z13. Which will then charge at him if he's still on that side of the map, and in range. If he's not still over there, it'll will double move south as far as it can and attempt to find him. If he is over there, and outside of 60 feet, then the scorpion will double move to get as close as possible.

Scorpion Attack: If needed
Attack: (1d20+4)[9] Subtract 2 if not charging
Damage: (1d3+1)[4]

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Hp: 7
Ac: 11
Speed: 30
Position: U13
Spells:
0th - 3xAcid Splash
1st - 2xRapid Summon Undead 1, 1xRapid Summon Monster 1, 1x Summon Monster 1
Active Summons: Scorpion 0/3 rounds
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FIENDISH MONSTROUS SCORPION, SMALL
Small Magical Beast (Extraplanar)
Hit Dice: 1d8+2 (8 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 14 (+1 size, +3 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 14
Base Attack/Grapple: +2/-3
Attack: Claw +2 melee (1d3+1)
Full Attack: 2 claws +2 melee (1d3+1) and sting -3 melee (1d3+1 plus poison)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Constrict 1d3+1, improved grab, poison, Smite Good 1/day (+1 damage)
Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., tremorsense 60 ft., vermin traits, Cold and Fire Resistance 5, Spell Resistance 6
Saves: Fort +4, Ref +0, Will +0
Abilities: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 18, Int 3, Wis 10, Cha 2
Skills: Climb +5, Hide +8, Spot +4
Feats: Weapon Finesse (B)
Environment: Bleak Eternity of Gehenna
Organization: Colony (2-5) or swarm (6-11)
Challenge Rating: 1/2
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always Neutral Evil
Advancement: -
Level Adjustment: -

Constrict (Ex): A fiendish monstrous scorpion deals automatic claw damage on a successful grapple check.
Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a monstrous scorpion must hit with a claw attack. A fiendish monstrous scorpion can use either its Strength modifier or Dexterity modifier for grapple checks, whichever is better.
Poison (Ex): A fiendish monstrous scorpion has a poisonous sting. The save DC is 12, and the initial and secondary damage is 1d2 Con damage. The save DCs are Constitution- based
Skills: A fiendish monstrous scorpion has a +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Spot checks.

[chilepepper]

Gonna wait for a LoS check before my move.

[Mavian]

Yeah, I posted a request in the waiting room,

[chilepepper]

Yeah, after I posted the request, I follow your link to flex my reffing muscles only to find myself back where I was, lol.

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

LOS!

@Zelandros:

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LOS to your scorpion in Z13, scorpion has not moved yet.

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A scorpion appears in Z13, establishing LOS. What are you using to be able to hold both a thrown weapon (sleep-smoke) and a scroll (held in 1 hand) in the same hand? It appears the two are mutually exclusive.

Need a clarification from chile.

[chilepepper]

@ Talic

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I'm just holding them both in one hand. I'm not holding the scroll so that it can be read and I'm not holding the vial so that it can be thrown, I'm just holding them non-combatively. Before I use them, I'll have to either drop one, or switch hands. I do however have one hand free to use for somatic components, since my readied action is to cast a spell (not from the scroll). I do have a question though. How have I not seen Zel?

Need to wait on a response / answer from Talic.

[Talic]

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I'm not aware of a rule allowing you to overload hands, provided they aren't being used. I could see maybe if you had ranks in Perform (Juggle), but I believe those items are somewhat restrictive. I can see a case being made if the item isn't one that takes up a hand (e.g. tindertwig), but a fragile 1 handed item and another item resembling a rolled up sheet of paper?

As for LOS? The simple answer is, no condition has been met that would establish LOS. The complex answer would rely on information that you aren't allowed yet.

[chilepepper]

Oh I ****ing hate the forums and the auto log off. You type a huge long message and it rapes you.

talic

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Gist of message because I just typed for freakin ever.

Encumberance is the only limit to what you can carry, by RAW.

One handed, two handed, etc. are combat statistics. A function of usage.

Three wands together have no larger a circumference than a quarterstaff. If you can hold a quarterstaff, you can hold three wands together. You can't use three wands held in one hand, but you can still hold them.

It's perfectly feasible to carry both in one hand. I can hold an egg and a piece of paper in one hand, no problem.

LoS: I'm going to metagame. SM1 is 25'. He's on the stairs. In your LoS post there's no ref spoiler. You didn't roll a reactive spot for me. Since my spot is +6 and his hide is +3, he can't autosucceed. He didn't hide while moving, or did and autofailed. I have LoS to the squares right before the stairs so I would have seen him there. Unless he abrupt jaunted, which I doubt he would have thought of, I don't think I'm missing anything.

Still discussing

[Talic]

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And by the line of thinking of "feasible", it's feasible to throw a spear 1 handed. As you've pointed out in the past, however, RAW doesn't always match common sense. Regardless of whether something is the size of an egg, or the size of a longsword, it is a weapon. The lightest category of weapon requires 1 hand to wield. Not to use, but to wield. That would preclude the holding of other items in that hand.

And the rule you cited on encumbrance is for how much weight you can carry, not for how many items may be in your hand. It has no relevance to this topic. If you say that it's a matter that requires interpretation on what is feasible for carrying capacity in one hand, I gave that in my last post.

As for LOS, you may be correct. Rechecking. Will post once the illegal number of items in hand is resolved.

[chilepepper]

talic

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I'm not wielding it, I'm just holding it. That's the difference. If I were wielding it, then the fact that the vial is a one handed weapon would come into play. If I tie three daggers together, I can hold them in one hand. I can pickup a handful of rocks. I can set ten bows together side by side and grab the strings in one hand and pick them all up.

One handed weapons can only be wielded in one hand. There is no rule governing what can be carried (non-combatantly) in one hand.