Arena Tournament, Round 46: Chile VII vs. Chainy

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Arena Tournament, Round 46: Chile VII vs. Chainy

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XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

chilepepper - Chile VII
dman11235 - Chainy

All gladiators please roll initiative

[chilepepper]

Init to win it (1d20+4)[9]

Purchases since last match
Sell
2 empty belt pouches

Buy
30 sacks
150 whetstones
Scroll Summon Dire Hawk

[dman11235]

Init: (1d20+2)[6]

No purchases. Ready to be slaughtered by falling whetstones.

[chilepepper]

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Detect Magic x3 // Entangle, Camoflage
All unused sacks are left out of the Arena.

Chile starts in X11 with a scroll in hand, and two really bulgy sacks in posession.
Corey starts X10 holding three sacks; one bulgy, two less bulgy.

You'll hear Corey talking every round. He'll be relaying your position and actions, so if either he or I have LoS, you can leave your actions unspoilered.

Round 1
I casts Entangle on A10/B11. Then I move south, breaking LoS exiting Y15.

Corey ascends to Z10/+60 and readies an action.

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Corey's ready: to move to the optimal spot for bombardment, triggered when Chainy finishes visible movement.

I finish moement in Y17.

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HP 7/7
AC 14 T14 F14
Spells:Detect Magic, DM, DM // Camouflage, Entangle
Conditions: Entangle A10/B11 1/10
Position: Y17
Holding: Scroll // Nothing

Corey
Small Air Elemental
Position: Z10/+60
Hit Dice: 9/9 (2d8)
Armor Class: 17 (+1 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 14, flat-footed 14
Holding: Sack A, Sack B, Sack B

Done.

[dman11235]

Right, since there aren't any plants in this arena (at least...it's a sandlot basically), I will start in D11 with my bow drawn, and move to J11, and activate Martial Spirit. Then I will attempt to shoot the elemental.

(1d20+3)[7]
(1d8)[3]

Rolling for maneuvers granted:

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(1d5)[3]
(1d4)[2]
(1d3)[1]

Take the numbers in alphabetical order from those available to be granted. If I get it, I will be using Stone Bones if DR will protect me from falling objects. If not, I will not use a maneuver. Not sure what the arena rules on that.

[chilepepper]

Sorry, all arenas are ruled to have enough small plants/weeds for entangle to work.

[dman11235]

Really? Please point to this rule.

I do need to amend my turn though because I always forget about that stupid sanctuary affect. Forgot about it last time too.

EDIT: In case it is the case that there are plants, what's the DC?

[chilepepper]

Well, I don't know if I'm going to be able to find where it was that it was specifically said. I know it was concerning a match in the glass arena, but whether the ruling was posted in the match or in the waiting room, I don't remember. I've posted in the waiting room for confirmation before I edit the map rules post.

Here's my last match in this round where I used entangle, High Ref Talic responded to the question of DC and didn't oppose the use.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86830

Here's an example in Temple.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...83#post3774183

[dman11235]

Hate to say it, but in neither one of those does it address the plants being there. I agree that Entangle by-passes the Sanctuary effect (though I don't think it's a smart move to allow it) btw.

And there is no rule of such in the Waiting Room.

[chilepepper]

I think the basic rule to go from is that unless an Arena specifies that a spell doesn't work it works as normal.

There ya go.

[dman11235]

All that means is that if there are plants the spell can work, because the spell works normally with or without plants in every arena (none have said Entangle doesn't work normally), but without plants working normally means nothing happens. I've posed this problem in response to Kyeudo in the waiting room. The issue that needs to be resolved is the plant content of the arenas.

[Morbius]

High Ref Morbius

on another subject
Chile

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On what height Corey started the match?

[chilepepper]

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I assume he has to start at +0, even though it doesn't specify. Why? Z10/+60 is 65' from X10/+0 which is Corey's movement while encumbered. He has perfect maneuverability, so climbing cost the same as normal movement. A diagonal that is 60x10 is 65' of movement.

And as for Entangle

The arena precedent is that there are enough plants in all arenas for Entangle to work unless the arena specifies otherwise.

So, that brings us back to your DC 13 reflex save and turn in round 1.

[Morbius]

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I assume he has to start at +0, even though it doesn't specify. Why? Z10/+60 is 65' from X10/+0 which is Corey's movement while encumbered. He has perfect maneuverability, so climbing cost the same as normal movement. A diagonal that is 60x10 is 65' of movement.

High Ref Morbius

Chile

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Ah, I forgot about that little something about perfect maneuverability

[chilepepper]

Okay, that's sorted out too. Still on you Mr. Fibonacci.

[dman11235]

Yeah, I looked at Entangle again....1 MINUTE per level! Wow, that is one powerful 1st level spell. Even at a round it's powerful.

Save: (1d20+2)[16]

If I make the save, move 30' to J11 to get out of the area. If I fail, DC 20 str check: (1d20+3)[4] and if that succeeds move to G11.

End turn.

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Will DR work against the "dropped" whetstones? Then again, he is using attack rolls, is he not?

Stats:

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location: J11
HP: 12
AC: 16 FF: 14 Touch: 12
Stances up: Martial Spirit

[chilepepper]

Corey dives to J11/+45 and drops the bulgy bag.

(1d20+2)[3] vs Ac 5, well, that's a miss, if you want to know which square it actually landed in, you can roll the d8
(3d6)[9]
Reflex DC 15 to negate the damage

Chile

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Activate Travel Devotion, Begin reading from my scroll (his listen isn't high enough to notice)

Done. You don't have LoS to me.

[dman11235]

"Die you stupid elemental!" shouts the crusader: bag lands in: (1d8)[7]

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Can I get an answer to my previous question? About Stone Bones? Also, my maneuver: (1d2)[1] alphabetical

Since my turn depends on these rolls and a question, I'll just double post.

Also: which way are we starting from for determining the location? I know! I'll roll a d8! "1" is in the upper left corner.

[dman11235]

(1d8)[6] location.

Okay, if the bag is outside of the entanglement effect, I will 5' step, pick it up, and shoot the elemental. If it's inside the entangle area...I'll leave it, and 5' step to K11, and shoot the elemental. Either way, here's my rolls:

(1d20+3)[22]
(1d8)[6]

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If Stone Bones will help protect me from falling bags, I will use it here. It has no effect on the rolls, it's just that if I hit, I gain DR 5/adamantine for a round.

End turn, pending refs answering questions. Stats will come next post after questions answered.

[Morbius]

High Ref Morbius


Chainy

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Yes, it is fisical damage so stone bones works on it

if you post in the waiting room that you have a ref question it's easier for someone to come by

[dman11235]

I was actually just about to do that. go through all four of mine and post LoS requests and such....

End turn.

Okay then, stats:

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location: K11
HP: 12
AC: 16 Touch: 12 FF: 14
Special: DR 5/adamantine
Stance: Martial Spirit.
Maneuvers available: Crusader's Strike, Charging Minotaur, Douse the Flames
Maneuvers expended: Stone Bones

think that's it.

[chilepepper]

Okay, so based on your rolls, the bag landed in K11, which is where you wanted to move to anyway, so that worked well for you. However, after picking up the bag, how are you firing a bow one handed?

[Morbius]

High Ref Morbius

Chainy

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Please explain to me how you are using stone bones if the manuever requires you to make a melle attack? I did'nt realise that you wanted to use it whit a bow attack

[dman11235]

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because I didn't realize that it was melee only. I thought I had all the stuff written down I needed-.-

Retract that expenditure.

Also, would putting the bag on my back be an additional move action? If so I don't pick it up, but move there anyways.

EDIT: Wow, I've been forgetting things left and right! I can't remember the last time i forgot so many things while playing

[chilepepper]

Picking up the bag was a legal move, putting it away is an additional move action.

[dman11235]

Right, I just stand over the bag.

EDIT: So yeah. What you know I did Chile is that I took a 5' step and shot your elemental. Then I spend the move action to pick up that bag, then I end my turn. Order of my actions is important.

[chilepepper]

Okay, if the bag is outside of the entanglement effect, I will 5' step, pick it up, and shoot the elemental.

The 5' step to K11 is legal, picking up the bag is legal, shooting the bow is not possible. You are standing in K11 with a bag in one hand and a bow in the other. You have a standard action left.

[dman11235]

Right, I'm modifying my action so I 5' step, shoot, THEN pick up the bag. Then I state that order of action is important. Mostly to myself in a "self, you're stupid" sort of way. Or can I not do that, since I needed to fix my (previously illegal) actions?

[chilepepper]

When an illegal action is made, the match is rewound to that point. That's why I said you are in K11 holding a bag.

[dman11235]

Since I realized that I can't do it in that order I'd like to revise my actions to 5'step/attack/pick up, rather than the illegal 5' step/pick up/attack. I thought you rewound to the turn that was illegal? And it's not like my turn even fully ended yet, you never took your turn.