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2011-07-31, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony XVII: Call Upon the Thread Ponies!
Almost every time a discussion of a popular story pops up somewhere, I feel like an incredibly snooty bully (the kind with fishnet stockings and a monocle), because my first instinct is to drop in from the skies and talk about all the flaws and reasons why the story doesn't deserve the accolades it gets. Maybe it would be better if I acted like a proper lady afterward and invited everypony to tea, but... argh.
I have become everything I hate. I am so wrapped up in literary critique that I have lost sight of the real reason why fanfiction exists: the enjoyment and delight of the authors and the readers. Things that achieve this deserve praise, regardless of their flaws. The flaws don't really matter outside of a discussion comparing the various stories.
Actually, could that be what sets me off? Am I taking the phrase, "one of the best" as a call to arms?
Well fine then. Alternate discussion topic! Every time Bon Bon has had a "major" role in Season 1, she has been a super snoot. Glaring down Applejack until she'd gotten almost an entire stock's worth of free apples, or her "And just who are you?" treatment of Rarity in Green Isn't Your Color. All of this makes me wonder: in contrast to all of our fanoning in these threads about how she and Lyra struggle against the Equestrian economy, chasing their dreams while holding each other tight, might they in fact be incredibly affluent? Does Lyra show up everywhere because she's actually an incredibly successful musician with money to travel and pay for cloud walking spells? Are they the Ponyville Nobility? =D
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2011-07-31, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony XVII: Call Upon the Thread Ponies!
First, never, ever think giving a critique as a bad thing. If someone is unwilling to accept the flaws in their creation, it only serves to make your argument more valid. Just because everyone else likes a story does not oblige you too, as well.
The ability to see through an excellent piece of work to its flaws does not, in and of itself, make you a bad person. Reading and critiquing literature is a lot like playing and critiquing music. The more experience you have, the easier it is to spot the flaws.
TL;DR: Just because you can see something negative doesn't mean you're a bad person.Last edited by dromer; 2011-07-31 at 01:18 PM.
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2011-07-31, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Great and Powerful Trixie can beat you over the head until you think that's what happened!"
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2011-07-31, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-31, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not sure how to help you with your standards issue, but I know the feeling.
And the glaring at Applejack was probably more because Applebloom did just accuse her of theft. As friendly as Equestria and especially Ponyville are, theft is probably a more serious offense than it is irl.
As for the others, well Lyra probably does have occasional musical gigs, some of which are in Cloudsdale or other pegasus cities, so the cloud walking spells are needed, and she sneaks one for her family whenever she can, since it's paid for by her client. The fashion snow snobbery is probably more a case of there being lots of dopplegangers, and that wasn't the real Bon Bon.
Actually, with all the duplicates, is it possibly ponies use smell or something more than sight to identify each other?Thanks to Dirty Tabs for the Travis pony.
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2011-07-31, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cheating!
And if you're gonna be like that, Mecha-eclipse with siddie charms.
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2011-07-31, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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You know, I wanted to say it doesn't make sense, but by the end of the 4th sentence it started to make one, and by the end it was pretty believable. But, then why would Pinkie's grandma teach her to laugh? Or maybe she started teaching her that because she was the only one who still remembered how?
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The Great and Powerful Trixie can beat you over the head until you think that's what happened!"
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2011-07-31, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-31, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks to Dirty Tabs for the Travis pony.
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Thanks to A Thousand Words for the My Little Simhata avatar, and thanks to Trixie for fixing the cropping.
Breakdown Twilight from Pony Halloween celebration, thanks to Thanqol.
Thanks to Akrim.Elf for the awesome Laharl pony.
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2011-07-31, 01:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, don't feel bad about being so heavy on the critique. As a writer (I know I haven't produced any pony fics yet but bear with me) critique is welcome. Honestly when a fic "hits the top" so to speak very few people will critique it, so the author can stagnate for it. Everyone always has room for improvement, and pointing out where it is can be one of the best types of comments an author can receive. Personally I look at the fact that you can still critique these 'acclaimed' works as a good thing rather than bad.
Ponyville Nobility? I'm inclined to disagree on semantics on that one. I could definitely see well off, even affluent, but Ponyville doesn't seem like the type of place to host Nobility on any real level.Avatar by DirtyTabs in the Adopt-A-Pony thread.
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2011-07-31, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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If I remember correctly, she was upset Applebloom tried to force those apples on her and she left rather awkwardly. I read that scene more as Applejack not getting the hint that she wanted the apples out of the bag rather than more, and she decides to leave with what she got rather than have Applejack drop the whole stand on her.
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2011-07-31, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by DirtyTabs in the Adopt-A-Pony thread.
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2011-07-31, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, it looked similarly to me. Though...
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"Well, the Great and Powerful Trixie can't actually transport you to Equestria... But!
The Great and Powerful Trixie can beat you over the head until you think that's what happened!"
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2011-07-31, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-31, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Another image dump:
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My desire for G-Gundam ponies, validated!
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Something cute.
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And lastly, seizure inducing Pinkie Pie.
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Breakdown Twilight from Pony Halloween celebration, thanks to Thanqol.
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2011-07-31, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-31, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-31, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Great and Powerful Trixie can beat you over the head until you think that's what happened!"
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2011-07-31, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Finally did some art after more than a week away from my computer...
A certain portrait of a certain ancestor of a certain pony, from my fan fic Fillystata. I wanted a nicer piece to represent the story.
I'm not sure... does it need something or is it fine as it is?
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2011-07-31, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree completely. When one of my fics "hit the top" of the Avatar: The last Airbender fandom I got ZERO good feedback. Critique is needed.
And frankly if you think the superfic needs some incredible work then it probably does >< do us all a favor and say something. Even if the author is being a brat and brushes you off, all writers have that nagging voice in the back of their head (yeah, you know the one I'm talking about) and they will start looking at their own work a little closer just cuz you made them think about it.
Chances are, however, you'll be thanked: no one wants their prized artwork to be hailed as this great thing only to find out people were "just being nice."Last edited by Brazen Shield; 2011-07-31 at 02:07 PM. Reason: I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL!!!!
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2011-07-31, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Perhaps something more to differentiate her from Twilight? A lighter shade of purple or something for her coat? Perhaps different coloured eyes? They look identical as it is, apart from the cutie mark.
(Disclaimer, I haven't gotten around to reading your fanfic, so disregard if it the similarities pertain to your story.)
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2011-07-31, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-07-31, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't feel too bad. I tend to have a kneejerk suspicion of well-liked things (in fandom or outside it), though it isn't usually based on any substantial critical response, it's just a thing I do, so if anything your response is probably more legitimate. And I certainly wouldn't say that even well-liked works are absent of flaws. I just found myself liking the atmosphere of Fallout: Equestria (despite its disjunction from the show's feel), and for me atmosphere counts for quite a bit, so once I gave it the benefit of the doubt, I decided to continue with it.
Well fine then. Alternate discussion topic! Every time Bon Bon has had a "major" role in Season 1, she has been a super snoot. Glaring down Applejack until she'd gotten almost an entire stock's worth of free apples, or her "And just who are you?" treatment of Rarity in Green Isn't Your Color. All of this makes me wonder: in contrast to all of our fanoning in these threads about how she and Lyra struggle against the Equestrian economy, chasing their dreams while holding each other tight, might they in fact be incredibly affluent? Does Lyra show up everywhere because she's actually an incredibly successful musician with money to travel and pay for cloud walking spells? Are they the Ponyville Nobility? =D
I will also second the opinion that her voice on the show is not really what I imagine for her in my head, in fact, I find the show voice more than a little silly.This Machine Surrounds Hate And Forces It To Surrender
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2011-07-31, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Guys! Hey guys! Guys!!!!
Look what I got!! Look! My very own avatar!
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Yeah~ that's right~ no longer a blank flank~ whoo!
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2011-07-31, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Helping plan for a wedding is absolutely no fun, when it's not your own. I also presume it's not fun when it is your wedding, but still.
Don't feel so bad about it, Phoe. Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it deserves the popularity (does the Transformers series *really* deserve all the money it's made? Really?), and criticism is always a good thing.
I heard someone quote recently on a thread somewhere that "Critics are supposed to speak for the popular opinion." which is such a wrongheaded argument I nearly choked when reading it.
Also, if it helps, you're not the only one who wants to do that with certain popular fics, so, you know, you're not alone.
I think the Applejack thing was simply just the completely uncomfortable situation that she found herself in.
On the other hand, I actually sort of like the idea that they're sort of higher up on the food chain, simply because we seem to be gravitating towards them struggling and having their dreams unfulfilled, so I perhaps like this reversal simply for that. Perhaps Lyra and Bon Bon own a home in Ponyville simply 'to get away from it all' because of the pressures of being in a higher echelon of ponydom.
Damn it, I know it's unpopular, but now I want a Freedom Gundam pony. I always liked that design.
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2011-07-31, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think we can arrange that. After all, we're a sector command station, not a research facility, dammit...
(The (in)famous Elf/Vampire Greatsword Experiment, begun at the behest of the WotC boards notwithstanding...)
Despite my frequent humourous phrasing of things in D&D terms and equivlient thereof (and occasionally the odd Rolemaster one, as the cold critical was), my dear Trixie, I am not, in fact an artefact of the D&D rules, out here in the real world!
The short version is that Spirit-Bound Undead such as myself are perhaps best thought of as being the spirit in a powerful haunted house, with all the enviromental and other effects one see therein, except the house is smaller, bipedal and carries a rocket launcher...
SpoilerShorn of the D&D terms used to humorously render my abilities in a fashion most accessable to the D&D-familiar denizens of the Playground, Spirit-Bound Liches have a plethora of abilities, due to our "haunting" of our bodies, including:
- Extremely high resistance (more-or-less immunity in practise) to almost all forms mind-attack and control. Almost all of these effects work on the brain and as well as the mind, and we don't have any actual physical brain structure to work on, or even an analogue to one, like technological creatures do. As an analogy, a real-world equivilent of Dominate Monster would still work on a Cybertank, as it has a brain, just not an organic one.).
- Regeneration at a fairly considerable rate, due to our souls essentially being infused with our whole body; blow us apart us with something that does not do permenant damage and, somewhat like the T-1000, the parts will slide back together and reassemble over time. And a bit like Wolverine's super-ramped up healing factor, if you don't totally destroy the all the bits of the body with damage inflicted by the types of energy1 that cause permenant damage, we will eventually recover (though the process is not quick!) This also grants us resistance to effects that alter out physical forms for the same reason. "Permenant" damage is like damage to a human; it will heal, but at more a conventional rates akin to a living being's natural healing rate. (I have tended to call this "rejuvenation" here, as Undead cannot technically have Regeneration in D&D without being stupidly overpowered2, and I used the same word when stating proper Liches up for my own games.)
- An aura of supernatural fear and awe, as do most super-power creatures (angels, demons, dragons, demi-gods etc).
- The ability to drain the life-force and health of a living creature, on touch, and to a lesser degree, merely by standing in proximity; as a by-product, both of these effects also produce a great deal of elemental cold energy, increasing the harm further. The life-drain is pretty much permenant and irreversible, aside from rare magic (or even rarer very high tech) or over a long period. (In D&D, this equates closest to Con Drain - which, aside from magic healing only "heals" if you put your stat points into in at level up; similarly in Rolemaster, the effects equates easiest to reducing the temporary Constitution stat, which again can only be healed by (the much rarer stat-healing) magic or by level-up (though in RM - naturally - there are several alternate ways of handling it, one akin to D&D's negative levels). The cold portion is easiest to equate to cold damage in D&D and Cold criticals in Rolemaster.)
- Absorbtion of both negative energy and elemental shadow energy (the latter is not like the D&D illusion definion of the term, but is best thought of of being like a darkness-version of lasers), similarly, we are (in practise) immune to cold-based attacks.
- Considerable innate resistance to magic, psionics and similar supernatural energies.
- Slightly enhanced senses, especially with regard to vision and hearing (we can see much further into the EM spectrum and hear higher and lower frequency sounds than humans). We can also see the emanations of life-energy coming from living creatures; this ability is best thought of as us seeing life-energy as a "colour" rather than an illumination.
- The ability to do pretty much any action we could do in life (except excrete and perform sexual activity), including eat, speak, sigh, and occasionally spontaneously spew up random things if surprised.
The proficiency, intensity and degree to which any Lich or Skeleton Warrior3 manifests these abilities varies from individual to individual, though it tends to increase, as do all things, with time, power and experience.
So now you know. And knowing is part of the conflict or somesuch...
1I'll leave you to guess at what sorts those are, because I'm not stupid enough to tell you! Not, that, sadly, they are especially rare in a high-tech universe anyway.
2Because the only thing that would ever inflict damage would be the thing that casues real damage; anything else causes nonlethal - which Undead are immune to. That's why, say, Vampires have fast healing, not regeneration!
3Nomenclature used to specifically describe a Spirit-Bound skeletal Undead with no spellcasting ability; basically a Lich like me but with no spellcasting ability. (As Aotrs basic training requires learning basic necromancy spells (e.g. creating animated undead) the Aotrs is quite literally composed of Liches.) As Spirit-Binding, unlike phylactery-binding, is not something you genenally can do to yourself (it's difficult to cast spells when you're dead; i.e. your soul is seperated from your body), this is possible, unlike in D&D when only spellcasters can become "liches".
Yeah, so. Um. Ponies are cool.
Nice. Simple, but effective.Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2011-07-31 at 02:40 PM.
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2011-07-31, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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As long as you can elaborate well on the points against it you're making while admitting to the charm or points others make on the for side, you're being a good critic.
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2011-07-31, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know, in my personal fannon Twilight has a given noble title as part of her position as Celestia's protege. As for why it's never come up, she strikes me as the sort who would either not consider it worth mentioning to the point of forgetting about it, or would actively hide it like she did with her magical talent in Boast Busters.
Also, this
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2011-07-31, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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