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Thread: LGBTAitP - Part 21: BLACKJACK!
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2012-03-01, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 21: BLACKJACK!
Depends on how well you know her, but I'd say just go for it. If there's any chance she'll say yes she won't unless you tell her, and if there's any chance she'll say no, the result is the same as if you didn't tell her.
I have quite comfortably taken craps in stalls next to girls. I guess those were some of my good days when telling myself to shut up and get on with it worked. Other times I've felt awkward about doing my business with a girl in the next stall. Oddly I tend to have less trouble doing my business in the girls' restroom. Maybe just because it's usually a nicer environment. Less urine on the floor and whatnot.
You two are adorable.
Not here. (All the dorm restrooms here are technically unisex.) I've done my business in the restroom in the girls' dorm while somebody was showering, and walked in on girls in their towels before. And once I ran into a girl coming out of the shower in my dorm, though that's an incredibly rare thing to have happen considering it's the freshman guys' dorm. Once or twice I've come out of the shower to see a girl in the restroom, though that's also uncommon. (And I always put my boxers on before coming out of the shower stall, so it's whatever.)
I think that in the co-ed freshman dorm (which I've hardly ever been in) the restrooms are newer and have locking stall doors in front of the showers, which sounds nice.
Personally I don't much mind showering with other people in the room, but I guess I'm used to it. Depending on how my anxiety is doing on any given day, if the restroom door opens I might startle a bit and stay on edge until the person leaves. Oh, and the showers in my dorm have nothing but a poorly-fitting curtain to keep water in and other peoples' vision out.
(Once in a sleepaway camp with a similar shower setup some ass thought it would be funny to throw open the shower curtain while I was showering. Not sure why. That was the place where people thought I might be gay because I said I wasn't interested in girls, by the way. Anyhow, I punched the kid and continued with my shower.)
Okie dokie, I'm glad you don't think I'm dumb!
I don't think there's a special bond between female-bodied people. Everyone's different. I barely understand my own body.
Anyway, I don't think making this change would be breaking something that works. I think the current system is fairly broken. For places that have the space, sure, a female bathroom, a male bathroom and some unisex bathrooms works. But I believe the default should be unisex, not just for trans and genderfluid people (although I feel that the current catch-22 is a huge injustice to them), but also for ease of parenting (if you as a man are out with your little daughter, who is old enough to walk and comment but not quite old enough for you to feel happy sending her to the bathroom by herself, what do you do? You are getting judged like anything either way.) and caring (same goes double for if the person you're looking after is physically an adult), and hell, for those times when one member of the party is one gender, and goes into the bathroom and vanishes, and the rest of the party has to play that weird game of hanging around outside asking people going in to try check on them. And just because trans people, parents out by themselves with an other-gender child, people with other-gender carers and people who collapse in the bathroom are the minority doesn't mean we can push straight over them. So sure, in big rich places, let's have all three. But I want a society that prioritises the needs of those that are starting from a disadvantage.
Now seriously, back to that Andes essay! (Oh gosh I'm so behind...!)
I've hardly talked with my little brother about relationships and stuff, but I've talked with about it with my friend who's like a brother. We have spent a lot of time talking about crazy girlfriends. (I had one, he's had three.)Jude P.
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2012-03-01, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well I did say it would only work for big bathrooms. Lots of places I know have bathrooms with multiple aisles.
Thanks!
Yay, hugs and kisses!
I agree! Also, hope you're not feeling ignored any more. *hugs* I think sometimes posts just get carried downstream really fast when there's a few conversations happening.
I generally agree. Based on my small sample size, I think male-bodied types don't actually make more noises than female-bodied types (maybe bigger people make louder ones, so there's a statistical sex thing). I do think male-gendered types are less suppressed than female-gendered types when it comes to making body sounds/functions. "Girls don't fart", "Don't do that!", "That's rude", "Girls don't sweat", "We do that in private" VS "Ha ha farting!", "You've worked up a great sweat!". That's a general trend, not to say that individual girls are always encouraged to repress their bodies and boys are never given out to about it. It's in media and stuff as well; it's funny when Homer makes toilet sounds. Marge isn't even shown going to the toilet at all. This is part of the broader "Men are allowed do what they like but are shown as oafish, women are prim and neat but not allowed be human". It's possible that unisex toilets might help by allowing the shocking revelation that women make toilet sounds too!
Shocker!Last edited by KenderWizard; 2012-03-01 at 10:36 AM. Reason: Addition.
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2012-03-01, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not exactly normal, but I tend to do more of the things you just ascribed to girls. Though I will complain if I'm sweaty. Like the other day when I was out in five degree weather in a t-shirt.
Also one of my first conversations with my ex was about peeing. The two before that were about Pokemon and Harvest Moon, and about Ryou Bakura from Yu-gi-oh!.
Shocker!Jude P.
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2012-03-01, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Heh heh heh.
I'm not trying to say that the men's bathroom is a place of ease either. It's not, "There's only men in here right? Okay, let 'er rip!" I hear some men desperately clenching their diaphragm in there as they try to let out a fart without making any noise. My heart sings with gladness when somebody has the courage to trumpet their visceral triumph proudly.
My point is, it's uncomfortable enough among our own sex where at least we have a shared bodily experience to sympathize from. Foreign body parts in that torture chamber is not a variable anyone needs. Anywhere else I'm all for inclusion, but these are bathrooms, dammit.
Anyways, I'm not getting the sense that those here interested in the matter are the least bit hospitable to airing my viewpoint, so I'm finished with it.Last edited by Kneenibble; 2012-03-01 at 11:28 AM.
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2012-03-01, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Again, I'm weird, but I try to do my business quietly when I'm home alone in a locked single-person bathroom with nobody within a hundred meters. Likewise, I'm cool with girl-parts. I'm just like, whatever, it's a vagina. Cool beans. Now if you'll excuse me I have to poop.
So yeah, I'm weird.Jude P.
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2012-03-01, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 21: BLACKJACK!
I may be a terrible source of advice on social happenings, but I do think I have a bit of pretend-wisdom for this.
Have you tried going about it slowly? Talking to them, hanging out, being friends? Jumping from not knowing whether they like you to asking them out seems like a large leap.
I could easily be misreading your relationship, so please disregard that advice if I have. ^_^'
Could strike up a conversation about crushes or past relationships, though. That could tell you if you are compatible romantically.
SpoilerMy problem here is that I actually do not equate any level of uncomfortable feelings at the act itself or area. I am quite afraid of unsanitory conditions, germs and people, but not to any different degree in a bathroom than in any other public space. Nor do I experience that bond. I questioned your logic on that basis mostly, though, which is not nice. Sorry. m(_ _)m
However, I would like it if you did not dismiss that it simply is not an issue to some of us and that we might just be wired or raised different. If it is biological and natural, it still could be absent just as sexuality can.
Sorry. ;_;
*Glomp*
Didn't intend to be mean, just questioning whether it was nurture or nature. If it was nurture, or affected by it, then we could prevent future generations from being uncomfortable!Treasured Quotes
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2012-03-01, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 21: BLACKJACK!
I don't think the words "we can still be friends" have ever felt so painful. I think ahead, too far ahead.
And all that came out of it was pain.
I feel defeated. Empty. My throat is dry, I'm trembling, and I've never been this hurt before. Quitting an addiction cold turkey is miniscule to this pain.Steam username is Triscuitable.
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I try not to think of how sad that is.
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I know it's not much consolation at this time, but it will eventually be alright. Losing the chance for romance hurts, but things will eventually turn around. I have millennia of experience with it, and it still hurts, but it gets easier even though it doesn't hurt less, and the payoff is well worth it.
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2012-03-01, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ryou is an amazing character. The Bakuras are the most interesting shared-body, of the three. I never liked Yugi, although Yami is my favourite of all (what a voice!). Yami Marik is just a psycho. But the Bakuras? That's interesting stuff. Also, hot as all get-out.
No, no! Airing your view is fine. I just disagree, I don't mean to push you from the conversation. I'm glad you shared, because now I know that some people really do just feel more comfortable with only same-bodied people around. Which is way more sensible in a lot of ways than the previous arguments I've heard.
I still believe it would be overcome by an upbringing in a culture that didn't place so much emphasis on gender segregation and shaming natural functions, but that's fine, we can just disagree on that if you think it's built-in.
Hugs?
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2012-03-01, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Are you nuts? If we can't segregate by gender then we will have to find something else to separate people by.
I for one suggest sock length. All hail the glorious medium length socks the masters of the inferior long socks and short socks (knee high socks position is still under debate)"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-03-01, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Steam username is Triscuitable.
I got VAC banned in COD: Ghosts for using an FOV changer.
I try not to think of how sad that is.
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2012-03-01, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, you have certainty now.
... sorry that things didn't work out the way you wished.Originally Posted by on Dwarf Fortress succession gamesOriginally Posted by Dwarf Fortress 0.40.01 bugs
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2012-03-01, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Right. The point is that if I knew they were in the stall next to me (or anywhere near me) I would be uncomfortable. It would be rather interesting to see them morphing and changing shape as they moved though.
Sorry to hear it.
RE: Telling someone you have feelings for them.
I would much rather someone be up front about being in love with me than to have it just fester away at them, even though proclamations of love directed at me make me uncomfortable. I think it's easier to remain friends when you've been gently rejected.
Of course, there's the difficulty of knowing whether the person in question would ridicule you for having feelings for them. But you're probably better off without such people.
Am I the only one who almost never has trouble understanding what Coidzor means?Last edited by Nix Nihila; 2012-03-01 at 03:21 PM.
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2012-03-01, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Welcome to the friendzone. The drink is over there, there's a large sofa to lounge on and later on we'll pull down all the curtains and listen to Pink Floyd. I find that "Animals" is the best album - there's nary a happy tone on it.
*hugs*
It happens. It gets better - after a while you stop getting your hopes up and more do it as an exercise in masochism.
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Oooh, and that's a bad miss.
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2012-03-01, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I just got laughed at by everyone who didn't ignore me. *hugs*
"Everyone here agrees"? This is the first time I've brought it up here.
*hugs anyway*
Also, I think Coid's saying/tried to say something along the lines of 'you're too good for them anyway'. I hear that that's not always very consoling, but he meant well.
... Besides, it's rude to alienate people. Even if they think they had a reason, you deserve better than that. :/
I gotta say, that story's adorable in context.
Thanks! n.n
I have that a lot; bit I feel ignored quite a bit often.
Well, it's more that I was feeling really down and could've used some hugs and sympathy but it sorta seemed everyone but Arachu and noparlf ignored me. :<
*Hugs*
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Wear your long shorts proudly, fellow nerds! Wear not the garments of the jocks!
They may even shift about as the universe moves around them.
Er, under... Over? In them? Aside from... Them...
Am I the only one who almost never has trouble understanding what Coidzor means?
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2012-03-01, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like Yugi, he's a good kid. Yami-Yugi is definitely an excellent character. Voice is incredibly sexy. (Which dub did you watch?) But Bakura definitely got the looks.
No, no! Airing your view is fine. I just disagree, I don't mean to push you from the conversation. I'm glad you shared, because now I know that some people really do just feel more comfortable with only same-bodied people around. Which is way more sensible in a lot of ways than the previous arguments I've heard.
I still believe it would be overcome by an upbringing in a culture that didn't place so much emphasis on gender segregation and shaming natural functions, but that's fine, we can just disagree on that if you think it's built-in.
*hugs*
Ooh, can I come? Pink Floyd is my favorite. What do you have to drink?Jude P.
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2012-03-01, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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How dare ye! Me and my long-socked brethen shall smite those with shorter leg garments than us! Bow before us, short-socked!
On a serious note, humans are bastards and will discriminate based on anything, but I feel if I give in to that kind of thinking, I've lost. We must fight human nature.
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2012-03-01, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well this is my child hood you're talking about. I love Yami/Atem, he's like the best superhero ever.
But personally I think looking back one of the earliest signs I can think of that I always have been gay, is that I thought that there was something between Richy and Ash, as well as Sparky and Pikachu. I have an extended theory that developed since then.
Richy is gay for Ash, and Ash is bi but has stronger feelings for Misty(feelings that he forgot when the producers gave him some Railroad-ium at the end of season five). This is the character I have most wanted a return for, but I only got like two episodes in Jhoto.
Also, Pikachu and Sparky are gay lovers. This explains Pikachu's shyness around Buneary in the God-awful first season of Diamond and Pearl.
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2012-03-01, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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So...I walked in on my girlfriend (Yes I actually attempted a committed relationship) cheating on me (not curtains, just making out) with another guy and joined her. The dude was okay with it. She was not. Five minutes later I'm single again, loving it, and laughing my arse off.
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Hey, that was my childhood first! Get your own. :b
I think I remember feeling that kind of vibe between Ash and Richy, but I didn't think about it much.
As for Buneary...we used to call Lopunny "the Playboy Pokemon".
I'm not sure whether to offer hugs or to laugh. How about both?Jude P.
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That's kind of awesome! Although I'm more than a little puzzled at her reaction.
The universe would move through cross sections of them, I think. Assuming we're talking about a universe with three spatial dimensions inside of some other space with more spatial dimensions. Although we're getting more off-topic than usual.Last edited by Nix Nihila; 2012-03-01 at 05:18 PM.
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"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
Thank you Geomancer for the Death avatar.
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Steam username is Triscuitable.
I got VAC banned in COD: Ghosts for using an FOV changer.
I try not to think of how sad that is.
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Doesn't Germany have unisex bathrooms in most-to-all places that have bathrooms along the style of what a north american would call a public restroom?
If that's the case you might not need to be theorizing so much. Then again, I seem to recall most European cities as being typified as having a distinct shortage of plumbing.
Oof. Sorry, mate. Why the ten minutes of dead air though?
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