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2012-04-19, 12:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-19, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
The uterus is very small between pregnancies.
Originally Posted by Gray's AnatomyAvatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-19, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
@ *-ist media: Wihle I agree that one ought to be conscious about racism, sexism etc. in the media one enjoys, and be aware that enjoying it does not itself make one *-ist, sometimes I simply don't care nearly as much as I feel I ought to. It isn't alle that reare that I use a work, experience something objectionable in it, and go 'meh, people are dumb' instead of anything more constructive. I suppose in general I find it difficult to live up to my ideal of being constructive and/or supportive anywhere near as often as I'd like.
On a related note, can any of you think of any particular way to deal with a story with unfortunate implications (or explications, if you can say that) that you're watching/reading/listening to alone, beyond being aware of it? Discussing stuff on the net or with my peers can be interesting and all, but it doesn't seem to do much beyond that.
@ Bianca: You look cute in that picture. It's also rather obvious that you're a good deal thinner than when you got the jacket, just by looking at your wrists.
@Triscuitable: That's a rather impressive set of accomplishments you've got yourself there. Unfortunately I can't help you with nameing your group, because I'm terrible with naming things. Still, much succes to your group .
@Qaera: That's a shame *hugs*. Hopefully your backup plan will be a good place to study (and socialize).
@Kender Wizard: belated *hugs*, best of luck with your stress issues.
@Dogmantra: You look good in that picture, I especially like the feathers (?) in your headdress. Oh, and that other woman in the picture is also kinda cute, most noticeably the way her hair curlsLGBTA+itP
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2012-04-19, 06:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
So... Natalie put up a ring about a magical gender-changing ring for sale on e-bay. Inspired by this I put together a little poem:
SpoilerThree rings for the qenderqueer high above the binary
Seven for the trans women with their wonderbras
Nine for the trans men who inject themselves with T
One for the kyriarch on his dark throne
One ring to rule them all
One ring to find them
One ring to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them
In the lands of the kyriarch, where the cis rule
No, I don't know what the genderqueer do with their rings either.Last edited by Asta Kask; 2012-04-19 at 06:17 AM.
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2012-04-19, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Poems!
Awesome people saying awesome things.
( Please pardon any garbled posts. I prefer face to face communication then text, and I also don't read whole threads, so I may just put in my 2cp.)
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2012-04-19, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Not only is tomorrow the LGBTA+ Day of Silence, there's an Open Mic event here. Good planning, guys.
(There's also a blood drive and a bake sale, and it's apparently Pot Day. A friend of mine made the comment, "Watch out for the brownies.")Jude P.
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2012-04-19, 08:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I got VAC banned in COD: Ghosts for using an FOV changer.
I try not to think of how sad that is.
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2012-04-19, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
You look a lot like I imagined you might! (Not that I was sitting around imagining what you look like, just that when I saw the picture I was like "Yeah, that seems right" rather than, as sometimes happens, "WTF! THAT's what they look like?") Also, lovely hair and I can't believe how patient you must be to have nails that long!
And thank you for the hugs.
Well, like I said, I know it'd be way worse for me if I didn't cry these things out, but I also really don't like the experience of crying. And, once I cry once, anything at all will set me off (I call this being fraught, I dunno if that word is used for this elsewhere) for the rest of the day. So, if something minor happens, like I knock something over, or if something reminds me of the thing that made me cry, or sometimes just randomly. I hate being fraught. But I do feel better today and I'm sure crying it out did help.
Also, sorry to hear you missed your appointment. Only a minor problem, soon you'll be on your way!
Thank you!
Can this problem be worked around? Are you in the US? I don't know that system very well, but I understand student loans are the norm?
I'd also be concerned about all the stuff the body does when it's pregnant, like the other organs getting out of the way and the efficient link between eating and "feeding" the foetus.
Also, is it possible to induce lactation in trans women?
Not much to do. Being aware is the major step. If you're then discussing it with someone, you could say "I recommend it as a great sci-fi movie (or whatever), but it does fall down a lot on some things - for example, race was dealt with very poorly." Now they're aware of it too!
Thank you!
So, I've been thinking about how we experience -isms in our life. Take any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation. There's legal, which is thankfully being taken apart, and institutional, which is much more difficult to deal with. Those are on the scale of societies and groups. Then there's what I'm tempted to call "active" and "passive", in groups and individuals. I'm going to illustrate with examples rather than explain, using me and two of the facets of my identity: being a woman and being bisexual.
So, I'm a woman, definitely. I identify and present as a woman, and, being curvy, not very tall, with rounded features and a feminine haircut, people invariably read me as a woman, even though I often wear gender neutral clothes (and a bra). So, if someone is misogynist or sexist, they can target me. If someone is saying misogynist or sexist things near/to me, they must be aware that they're aiming them at me, as well as at other women. They are actively hurting my feelings.
Then take me being bi. There's no way to "dress bi" or "look bi", so I presume I don't. I'm in a long-term relationship with a man. Also, straight is the default. You are presumed straight until proven otherwise, generally. So, if I meet someone who hates or discriminates against bi people or non-straight people, they don't know, unless I tell them. They can't see it by looking at me, and they can't work it out from my relationship, and it's normal for both men and women to comment on the attractiveness of women, so unless I say something like "I am personally sexually attracted to that woman over there", I'm "secretly" bi. So if someone's saying stuff, it still hurts my feelings, but they don't know, they're doing it passively. It's a by-product of the actions that they would be taking anyway.
What do you think? Is there a difference between passive and active hate that you've noticed in your life? Do you find it easier or harder when whatever it is that people discriminate against is always obvious (often race, presented gender, age, obvious physical disability) or when it's "secret" until you reveal it (often sexual orientation, invisible disability, neuroatypicality, class).
Note: Not all of those examples are always that way. For example, sometimes it's possible to read someone's class, people who are biracial will often "pass" as one or other race, if you're out and about with your same-sex partner people will likely guess you're not straight, etc.
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2012-04-19, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Considering that it's possible to make men lactate I'd wager on yes.
Challenge accepted.
Hmmm this is a tough one. Maybe some sort of Two-Face suit where one side is stereotypically gay and the other stereotypically straight (ie feminine for women and non-feminine for men).
Or isn't there some sort of bi coloured flag or something? Maybe dress those colours but I doubt many people would recognize that as bi.
SIGNS! Everyone from now on will wear a small nameplate with their sexuality on it. The plaque on the plate can be switched out with ease for fluidity."Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-19, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
@ KenderWizard
I think I get what you mean.
At my lunch table im offent called many names. Now they dont know im bi, but it still hurts me deaply. I have some good friends at that table but I cant stand thous "Queer haters".Poems!
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2012-04-19, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-19, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
I've been fortunate enough never to have been on the recieving end of active discrimination AFAIK, so I can't comment on the effect of active vs. passive on the reciever. But it seems to me that people with 'secret' differences have the privilige of being able to pass as a a member of the majority group (is there a shorter word for 'member of the majority group' apart from 'normal'? Normal seems rather disparaging) if they so choose.
Personally, I've almost never experienced any passive discrimination directed towardsa group I belonged to that felt particularly hateful, but then again the issues of sexual orientation, *gender and genderfluid people hasn't come up much in the discussions I've experienced IRL.
My primary experience with gender issues is the idea that the 'gender struggle' has been 'won', equality between men and women has been achieved and feminists are therefore beating a dead horse. Ignorant, but not hateful as such, except for the rare cases where it's coupled with the idea of feminists as man-hating lesbians. I suppose in so far as I agree with the ideals of feminism that might count as discrimination towards a group of which I am a part, but I have to admit that I have a difficult time seeng myself as feminist despite that. Mainly because I don't really do anything particularly active on that front, unless you count occasionally pointing out the arbitraryness of gender roles and stereotypes and how they can have undesirable effects on societhy in general and specific people in particular.LGBTA+itP
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2012-04-19, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-19, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
I don't think that the organs moving out of the way is a problem. That's just pressure from the womb. Feeding? Well, we'll have to try it on rats. And if it works in rats and not in humans at least we can help the trans women rats. We have about a half-dozen ways of killing cancer in rats so why not help them transition?
(Actually rats wouldn't do as an animal model in this case, because rats are the only mammals known where the males do not have nipples).
I think lactation is a common problem in transitioning.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-19, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
*Hugs* Thanks.
It'd be... More than a little weird to have your parent's own uterus.
Squick aside, though, I'm more concerned with whether there'd be room during a pregnancy. It seems like there should be (organs are pretty tough about that sort of thing)...
There's also the matter of ova. Even if they put in ovaries... Well, those only have so many eggs in them, and their genes are already determined. Hmm... I wonder if they could use a body cell? Now that I think of it, that might actually work... :smallhopeful:
How so? The sleeves never fit me (I actually couldn't button it up at first, and they were just as far down my arms) - wait, "cute"? Uh, thanks.
Think fast! *Glomp*
@ KenderWizard
I think I get what you mean.
At my lunch table im offent called many names. Now they dont know im bi, but it still hurts me deaply. I have some good friends at that table but I cant stand thous "Queer haters".
^_^
The nails aren't actually that much trouble... They're harder to keep up with without nail polish, though (Toni and I haven't really talked since our fight ).
Well, like I said, I know it'd be way worse for me if I didn't cry these things out, but I also really don't like the experience of crying. And, once I cry once, anything at all will set me off (I call this being fraught, I dunno if that word is used for this elsewhere) for the rest of the day. So, if something minor happens, like I knock something over, or if something reminds me of the thing that made me cry, or sometimes just randomly. I hate being fraught. But I do feel better today and I'm sure crying it out did help.
I'd also be concerned about all the stuff the body does when it's pregnant, like the other organs getting out of the way and the efficient link between eating and "feeding" the foetus.
Also, is it possible to induce lactation in trans women?
As for lactation, some meds induce it in cis men. I don't know how nutritious it is (it's probably pretty similar), but it's entirely possible.
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2012-04-19, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-19, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Well, the body makes room. That's why very pregnant women look like they've been quaffing beer for twenty years.
Donated ovaries should have more than enough eggs to go around. At puberty, the average woman has 400 000 eggs in her ovaries. Around 400 of these will ovulate. The rest, for some reason, never make it. We don't know why.
I think your best option for becoming a biological parent is to freeze sperm before you transition. But there are proud parents of adopted children all over the world who say biology isn't the most crucial factor in parenthood.
The thing is - all this is controlled by hormones. And the same receptors are present in both sexes. There's no reason why they shouldn't work the same.Avatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-04-19, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
I'm not a massively scientific person, but from my basic understanding of how cloning worked for Dolly, for example, they removed the nucleus of the egg cell and replaced it with the nucleus for another cell to allow cloning. From my understanding, if you can remove half the chromosomes from a cell, you could put that nucleus in the egg cells and make your own "egg" cell.
But biology I am still a little fuzzy on. I am probably wrong.
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And my diet is going well. Trying to drop 3-4 stone. Eating a lot less, walking 5 miles a day too and from school, cycling to Leeds rather than busing in.
Hopefully I'll have a body shape I can pass for femenine if need be soon. But I've started to feel a kind of shift back from female to male. It feels really really weird to go back and forth. At the same time, exciting. And I'm with Heliomance on prefering my female self, but that might just be my self esteem issues at times.
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
There have also been experiments in using the genetic material from a sperm and implant that into an empty egg and then impregnate that cell with a sperm and using an egg and the nucleus of another egg instead of one egg and one sperm.
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2012-04-19, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Well to start it's quite impossible (with modern technology) to remove half the chromosomes from a cell without killing it. Sure you can destroy the cell and force the double helix to open and separate. That is done all the time when you want to use PCR to amplify a piece of DNA.
This is why stem cells or egg cells are used.Last edited by pffh; 2012-04-19 at 10:59 AM.
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
That's... Kinda the way it grew on its own.
Good points... I just worry that there are more closed pelvises in there. It seems like everything should be ready after hormone therapy, but... Well, I don't really know enough to simulate the whole process. :/
Dolly's what I'm thinking of. Now that I think some more, though, it seems like that wouldn't work without somehow triggering meiosis... The problem would be making the body cell work like an egg.
And my diet is going well. Trying to drop 3-4 stone. Eating a lot less, walking 5 miles a day too and from school, cycling to Leeds rather than busing in.
Hopefully I'll have a body shape I can pass for femenine if need be soon. But I've started to feel a kind of shift back from female to male. It feels really really weird to go back and forth. At the same time, exciting. And I'm with Heliomance on prefering my female self, but that might just be my self esteem issues at times.
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
Weeeeeell cloning is a bit complicated and I'm not really all that familiar with cloning as the public knows it (making one animal identical to another) I'm more familiar with the other form of cloning where a piece of DNA is inserted into another cells DNA and then that cell replicates.
I've used the latter form of cloning myself to create glow in the dark bacteria and other sweet bacterias."Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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2012-04-19, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?
You'd also miss out on meiosis, which is a special kind of cell division only gametes go through. And we know that during this process certain genes are switched off, and the pattern is subtly different in sperm and egg cells.
Oh, there will be things we didn't think of. So we start with an animal model and work upwards from there.Last edited by Asta Kask; 2012-04-19 at 11:39 AM.
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I've tried to remove this post three times. Bugger.
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