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Chapter 1 of II is now published, should appear on FiMFiction soonish too. Let me know what you think, even if I'm not going to make any major changes at this point.
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Hey guys. I think I shall celebrate my return with this picture. Its a reference to another game I play all in one. Enjoy.
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At which point I have to ask, "who are you facing that's using such wimpy KEWs/KKVs/insert your favorite acronym here-s that the shallower angle matters?" Energy weapons don't care about deflection, and judging by your description, the J-thingies are not going to fight anything with kinetics that care about any sort of armor they can use, so you're still better off sticking the same mass of armor on the one face.
((My answer to this question would be "shut up it looks a whole lot better this way", but to each their own.))Last edited by Siosilvar; 2012-08-22 at 12:03 PM.
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2012-08-22, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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You misunderstand my answer a bit. KE weapons are much better at penetrating armour than energy weapons are. I was explaining why the two types are used, because they don't function against the same types of targets. KE weapons verses armour still takes sloping angles into account ('cos y'know, when kinetic energy is involved, physics still applies) - you're confusing my mention of overpenetration (which is what happens when you shoot the wrong target with an AP round) in explaining why you don't always use KE because it's a better armour penetrator with what happens when you shoot the right target (i.e an armoured target).
Overpenetration comes into play when you're talking about shooting a Humvee or something with a APFSDS round, as opposed to a, say, M1A2. In the latter case, all the round's energy will be put into punching through the armour and causing some damage on the way in (and maybe out). In the former, because it's a KE round, you can't deal more damage to the vehicle with all that energy, since it's just going to pop out the other side, because it's all focussed into thumping one spot really hard. KE rounds aren't explosive (pretty much by definition), so most of the shell's energy is wasted in the thumping part. You can cause as much damage with your dirty great hole to a Humvee as to an Abrams with a APFSDS round, but you can't cause more. Because the AP, armour-piercing part doesn't matter if there's no armour to penetrate.
Energy and chemical weapons (like the aforetioned HEAT of HESH (High Explosive Anti-Tank and High Explosive Suqash Head)) can cause more damage, because their effort is in delivering all their energy to the target, but more "spread out" (as it were).
Let me explain this in terms in the game, because this is derived by the authors (from first principles) to model actual armoured combat, and might be more illustrative for you as gamers! They model it, for WW2 and modern, anyway as having two values for armour on each bit, one verses penetrators (KE) and one verses chemical (CE). Armour has a class assigned to it (1-20, essentially) which corresponds to approximately the thickness of rolled harmoginous steel (but the value for a given vehicle also takes things like hull shape into account), and guns likewise have a penetration value (which is either KE or CE) of the same. When you hit, you subtract the armour vlaue from the gun value, which gives you a number - you look this up on a table, where the value ranges from -3 to +3, and then roll to see what damage (in any) you do1. It's a bit like a critical hit table - the higher you roll the better.
If you end with the weapon minus armour being 3 or more, if you have a KE weapon, you just roll on it, because it doesn't matter how much better your gun is than the armour, because the excess is wasted on overpenetration. If you're using a CE weapon (or an energy weapon), you add the difference less three to the dice roll, which makes it much more likely you'll knobble something. Do you follow?
What it means is, you use kinetic weapons to attack things with heavy armour (relative to your gun) - largely because their armour is likely to be lower against KE weapons - which gives you a fair chance of knobbling something. If your gun is better than their armour, though, you're better off using a CE or energy weapon, because it'll be more likely to knock the vehclie out.
So the Jalyrkieons still need to armour against KE weapons as best they can, as KE is "harder" to armour against, so they want every bit they can get, because it matters, even against fairly big KE guns. Conversely, it's "easier" to have ahigher rating verses CE or energy attacks, but if your armour is simply not got enough strength to withstand a missile or beam hit, you're just kinda buggered, because once it gets a more than a little bit "better than you" you're so much more likely to be dead.
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1Note that in this case "damage" in not hit points or anything, it's like "immobilised" or "neutralised" and such - you kill a vehicle when you get a result that blows it up, or the cumulative effects on the combined morale/ammunition/combat effectiveness increases take you to the point the crew gives up and goes home.Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2012-08-22 at 01:49 PM.
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Things you don't want to think about too much:
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*Comes back from backpacking trip in the mountains*
*Checks to see if thread is still here*
Yeeeeeep. You guys are as ka-razy as ever.
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Ok, thanks. I just wanted to make sure it didn't get buried by the thread.
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I'm aware of the physics involved. You gave me the impression, however, that any serious threat you'll come up against will have K-guns strong enough to overkill (or overpenetrate, which is probably a better result than getting the full brunt of the gun!) anyway. But if you say that the little bit of benefit counts, I'll believe you.
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Oh, they're both gonna be in use, I was just showin' 'em both there. Like the Idoex, the model will come with both turrets, so you can use either. They both have their advantages - the phased-plasma turret is better for dealing with shielded targets, but has less penetration which the rocket version has good penetration, but isn't so good and dropping shields and obviously has more limited ammunition.
Confining it to game terms, even a 1-point difference in armour can make a lot of difference. At gun-armour of 0, your get "no effect" on 8 or less on D20; if yo're on the -1 column (meaning your armour is 1-point better than his gun), "no effect" is twelve or less; which is a big change. (Despite the game having a 1-20 armour/gun scale, in practise, there's only really seven armour types: "virtually invulnerable" (at -3 or less), to "average" (at 0) to "yer dead, mate" at +3 or more.)Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2012-08-22 at 02:33 PM.
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a tiny space dedicated to a beloved grandpa now passed. may every lunch be peanut butter-banana sandwiches.
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1) I've considered retroactively convincing the commodore to let me deaden the output of the coldbeam, put the Ponithid into a hibernative sleep and allow it to recover nutrients underground, in a manner convincing enough to prevent any argument, but everything has its time, an everything dies.
Poni died making a point, for her beliefs. That has weight. Her contrived survival would achieve far less. I am not in the business of diminishing the historical traction of my allies.
2) love it. Though she is not a single changeling, but a small family group. That's how she pops up EVERYWHERE, and why stuff is stashed around Ponyville.
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I have a mate who has decided normal role playing games have waned in value, and wants to do war games instead. Your systems look remarkably functional.
Where can we get the rules?
What system do you use to draft your models?
Could you write up a bullet-point style, brief list of how you make them (including sizing and such)?
Provided you aren't inundated with orders, would you be willing to draft basic models for pay?
I'll probably come up with similar queries, over time. But as there's an actual opening for using the rules and sch, I figured now would be the time to ask.
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You left, and when you came back you left a Portal to an eternal zombie apocalypse. You hve directly caused an influx of zombies. How is that any different from the end result of Silent's usual behavior? He's not really a cultist either, from the sounds of it. He's a cabalist who is conglomerating other cabals under a single unified directive. If anything we should bust him for trying to monopolize rather than for some hokey religion.
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