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2012-11-11, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's what the last part of my paragraph meant, except more from an Doylist perspective.
have trouble understanding that first sentence, i do belive its a bit fragmentet.
But anyway, Grey didnt outsmart Rufus, he defeated him by cranking his creation speed up to a point where Rufus could not keep up with him, thats just overpowering your oppponent, and it annoy me so greatly because i have seen Hiro do so much better, like in Grey's fight against Urtear, where his way of overcomming what was meant to be a counter towards creation magic were both insightfull and badass.
@Hopeless. I think Mirajana mentioned finding Edolas-Lisanna's dead body and burying her in place of Lisanna.
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2012-11-11, 03:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Off the record, you linked a thing with Squirrel Girl in it. I have to love you forever now.
Anyway, yha, I agree. Fairy Tail is a totally not dark upbeat, hopeful series.
Where in the middle of saying "we believe in the power of friendship" the main villian nearly destroyed the entire main cast, and they only survived due to Deus ex Machina.
I'm just saying, there's a good chance Acologia might be the big blackness that turns the series dark, atleast for awhile, since it's clear that friendship power means nothing to him.
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2012-11-11, 04:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Squirrel Girl is awesome. I stopped reading New Avengers when she stopped showing up.
I'd call that a very minor subversion, since said deus ex machina only happened because of the power of friendship.
I think it's just powerful enough that they emotions/friendship what-have-you are not enough. They'll need outside help (I'm guessing the dragons, as either partners or power-ups). I don't expect it to turn dark. At most some people dying for added drama. (This is a cue for lord_khaine's weekly "drama is dead in FT" rant)
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2012-11-11, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Because grimdark is so, so DEEP.
In other words, you need the dark to make the light shine.
Fairy Tail is not dark. It's upbeat, hopeful and happy. If it has to become darker and edgier to be deep, I hope it stays shallow forever.
I see your point, but isn't most of what Lucy does just "asking her celestial spirit friends for a helping hand"? I mean, we know that you can use some types of magic without having internal magic, and celestial spirit magic just seems like a good candidate to me since it is largely external.
And as for Lucy, while you could say that she mostly just ask the spirits for a helping hand, then she is still covering both their traveling expenses and their stay in hard magical currency, something that often ends up leaving her broke.
So while it might be that Lucy is just really weak, then it does look a lot like celestrial spirit magic is one of the most draining magical diciplines we have seen so far.
That's what the last part of my paragraph meant, except more from an Doylist perspective.
I don't know, it feels pretty similar to me. Yeah, creating this fast is kind of a feat of power but not as much as just making some rreally powerful magic to throw at him. On the same level, using your frozn blood is also a case of more power (and smart tricks). (I still hate how Ultear could make trees grow)
And the way i saw it, Rufus knew what he should do, he just wasnt fast enough to do it. If it had been the other way around Grey would have outsmartet him.
Regarding the use of frozen blood however, then i do belive its more a case of determination (to cut himself that badly isnt easy in any way), and insight (realising his blood wouldnt be affected by the arc of time).
I think it's just powerful enough that they emotions/friendship what-have-you are not enough. They'll need outside help (I'm guessing the dragons, as either partners or power-ups). I don't expect it to turn dark. At most some people dying for added drama. (This is a cue for lord_khaine's weekly "drama is dead in FT" rant)thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-11, 06:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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You see, I disagree completely that both completely positive and completely negative stories can't be deep. It simply has no bearing on the substance of a story. It's simply a choice.
As a sidenote, is English your second language?
As much as I disagree with the thought behind it, that was very well phrased. Congrats.
This might come as a surprise to you, but not everyone agrees with your opinion.
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2012-11-11, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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You see, I disagree completely that both completely positive and completely negative stories can't be deep. It simply has no bearing on the substance of a story. It's simply a choice.
As a sidenote, is English your second language?
I guess if i acutaly find a story to prove me wrong then ill change my stance on the point from "cant avoid" to "can allmost newer avoid".
And yes, im from Scandinavia, so my syntax sometimes get a bit unusual.
As much as I disagree with the thought behind it, that was very well phrased. Congrats.
This might come as a surprise to you, but not everyone agrees with your opinion.
I just hasnt identified the other guy yet.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-11, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is plenty of good work in this area, actually. Wanted, by Mark Millar has metacomentary on why it should suck but it's still very entertaining.
Stormwatch is pretty much this played straight - everyone is a bastard, everyone hates everyone and few of the characters have any redeeming traits at all. Sweeney Todd is also filled with utterly bad people. Hard Candy is about a psychopath vs a child molester. Also, that's basically the point of Warhammer 40K, or so I hear. One example I specially enjoyed was War of the Spider Queen.
In most slice of life stories, you won't find dark overtones. Turma da Mônica, Menino Maluquinho, Shin-chan, Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Amélie Poulan, are all example of stories completely on the lighter side of the spectrum.
I thought your spelling was weird, now I understand why.
Hahahahahaha, I just really wanted to do an ironic echo joke.
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2012-11-11, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-11, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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It occurs to me that Celestial Magic is really expensive (magic wise) because it's a very safe way to fight. After all you don't have to put yourself at risk and can just hide while your minions fight. Lucy really is the exception to that rule in that she sticks around and fights instead of just letting the Celestial Minions fight for her.
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2012-11-11, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't agree completely with this. I do agree that if someone says that a story is more mature because it is grimdark you need to prepare for a very immature story.
I dont think think i can remember a singel style of magic that doesnt require some sort of internal magic, what are you thinking about?
And as for Lucy, while you could say that she mostly just ask the spirits for a helping hand, then she is still covering both their traveling expenses and their stay in hard magical currency, something that often ends up leaving her broke.
So while it might be that Lucy is just really weak, then it does look a lot like celestrial spirit magic is one of the most draining magical diciplines we have seen so far.
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2012-11-16, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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New chapter! This one begins with Natsu
looking at the designs of the Zero Division from Bleachlaughing at the new character's designs. Then some random crap happens that seperates the party into their individual fights.
I'm a little freaked out by the paper mage, and how she says all her paper is god. Feels like a pun of some sort that we're just not getting (maybe since Origami is Paper Art, she's making a pun on how gami can also be read as Kami, which is god or spirit?)
Also, the plant lady. She's...a plant lady.
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2012-11-16, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I personally believe the main executor's weapons were forged from the ashes of two protagonists from an 80's comedy who died perpetually stuck in the credits montage.
Axe 1: "Oh man, we got this!"
Axe 2: "We so totally got this!"
Axe 1: "This is gonna be sweet!"
Axe 2: "So sweet, bro!"
*Axes high-five, music starts playing.*
"You're the best. Around. No one's ever gonna take us down."
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2012-11-16, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-16, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-16, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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There is plenty of good work in this area, actually. Wanted, by Mark Millar has metacomentary on why it should suck but it's still very entertaining.
Stormwatch is pretty much this played straight - everyone is a bastard, everyone hates everyone and few of the characters have any redeeming traits at all. Sweeney Todd is also filled with utterly bad people. Hard Candy is about a psychopath vs a child molester. Also, that's basically the point of Warhammer 40K, or so I hear. One example I specially enjoyed was War of the Spider Queen.
In most slice of life stories, you won't find dark overtones. Turma da Mônica, Menino Maluquinho, Shin-chan, Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Amélie Poulan, are all example of stories completely on the lighter side of the spectrum.
I thought your spelling was weird, now I understand why.
Porlyusica is a more powerful healer than Wendy, Mystogan went toe to toe with Laxus, and Erza Knightwalker was also almost as strong as Erza Scarlet. All three of them were from Edolas and so had no internal magic. As for the fact that Lucy seems to consume a lot of magical power, you could probably use Lacryma for that.
A mage like Natsu or Grey on the other hand, would continue on fighting with full power even if you striped them naked.
As for the new chapter, annoyingly enough even less drama than in the previously.
-Surprise, Lucy is yet again seperated from her keys, i continue feeling justified in every harsh word i have said about celestrial spirit magic so far
-Also, apperently the magical champions of the entire Kingdom has their hands full with what is not even the Ace team of FT, clearly the king is only allowed to rule because the guild masters allow him to
-At least it looks like Mirajane is in the mood for some asskicking at last, so the chapter isnt completely wasted.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-16, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Contrast this with:
-Surprise, Lucy is yet again seperated from her keys, i continue feeling justified in every harsh word i have said about celestrial spirit magic so far
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2012-11-16, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Isn't Loke able to appear without having to be summoned?
Its just that these guys seem remarkably powerful to not have some kind of reputation outside of the head knight.
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2012-11-16, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Seriously, celestial spirit magic seems like a prime candidate for use by someone without magic.
We have several manga's worth of evidence for how serious a drain on your magical energy it is to use celestrial spirit magic, if anything i would considder it the least likely style to be used by someone without a magical reserve.
Isn't Loke able to appear without having to be summoned?
Its just that these guys seem remarkably powerful to not have some kind of reputation outside of the head knight.
If you can go 1 on 1 with someone like Erza, Laxus or Gildartz, then you can call yourself powerfull, else you are not going to get past decent in my book.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-17, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Really that's not fair, there's a reason Fairy Tail is the number one guild in Fiore.
Clearly the only reason the King is still in charge, is that the guild masters allready have their hands full just keeping their members in linethnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-17, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why do you think the governments always coming down so hard on Fairy Tail? Sure they cause a lot of collateral damage, but the truth of it is they're terrified of them.
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2012-11-17, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except even the supposedly second strongest guild in Fiore gets the same treatment. Fairy Tail (and Grimoire Heart) seems to be an outlier.
Why do you think the governments always coming down so hard on Fairy Tail? Sure they cause a lot of collateral damage, but the truth of it is they're terrified of them.
Not even Ft would (should) be able to stand against the combined might of the other guilds.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-17, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, the part about the king staying in power. I'm sure his knights are plenty capable of dealing with non-Fairy Tail guilds.
And when there is such an imbalance of power, then i would say the King is only in position because the guild masters let him stay there.
Though i am also wondering about how Bluenote fits into all of this, it was said he used to be in the military, and he was a hades-class wizard, so why dont they have more people on his level of power, was he just a fluke?thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-17, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sheer strength is not the only thing that matters in the world and the guild masters certainly know that. Sure, they could fight everyone and kill the king. Will they be able to trade with other countries after such a hostile takeover? Won't other guilds try to do the same to them, now that they are weakened by the fight? Won't other countries take advantage of the situation to attack? Will the guilds know how to run the country?
It's like saying the president's bodyguard can't protect him because he is not bulletproof, IMHO.
EDIT: Also, new chapter!
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2012-11-18, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sheer strength is not the only thing that matters in the world and the guild masters certainly know that. Sure, they could fight everyone and kill the king. Will they be able to trade with other countries after such a hostile takeover? Won't other guilds try to do the same to them, now that they are weakened by the fight? Won't other countries take advantage of the situation to attack? Will the guilds know how to run the country?
And we have also seen DS's take on entire guilds of their own, so i dont think anyone below the top 10 guilds will be able to get a say in the matter.
It's like saying the president's bodyguard can't protect him because he is not bulletproof, IMHO.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-11-22, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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New Chapter
SpoilerOH COME ON!!
Just let the pointless mook die a heroic death! Seriously!
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2012-11-22, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, for a moment it really got close to an epic scene, but it the way he got saved ruined the mood.
Also, it did not improve things that Natsu apperently is going to stomp the head of the kingdoms magical forces.
Though it does look more and more like the next arc is going to take place in the past.
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2012-11-22, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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I do wish there would be more tension, but honestly the way he was saved didn't bother me since it fit with what we knew of Lucy's abilities. A lot better than it could have been.
Recently I started reading One Piece, I finally got sort of into it after avoiding it for so long and I'm on chapter 206, Luffy is fighting Crocodile. I bring this up because the one thing One Piece seems to do quite well is create tension. It always seems like the straw hats are about to lose, and it is always believable when they win. Fairy Tail completely fails at creating tension of any sort, although it wasn't always like that.Last edited by Drolyt; 2012-11-22 at 08:14 PM.