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2012-12-09, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-09, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-09, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
The werewolf warform in both editions of the World of Darkness spontaneously turns a normal-sized human into a nine-foot-tall mountain of muscle. I'm not sure how it can be described as "natural".
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2012-12-09, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Isn't the default aproach to WoD that fluff maters, alot. Its not exactly hard to find holes in the rules. RAW I know that SotA allows you to soak damage from bloodclaws, but not chainsaws and anti-personel rounds. But WoD is not a system that works well under such aproach, and so I would consider reversing the above (and even if not I would still allow chainsaw and APR to be soaked).
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Why, though? When the power explicitly calls out claws and fangs - supernatural natural weaponry - as what it's built to defend against, why would you remove that ability from it? Expanding its protection to non-supernatural aggravated damage might make sense. But not removing the reason it exists in the first place (and definitely not if you don't even swap it for equivalent protection). Fluff is important, but the context of the fluff seems pretty clear that "supernatural aggravated melee damage = yes, supernatural aggravated energy/magic damage = no" - here the fluff and rules align perfectly.
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2012-12-09, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
My friend and I were discussing the Fortitude Discipline in Vampire: The Masquerade, and I would appreciate some more opinions.
We agree that Fortitude is pretty much the least useful Discipline of them all. It's only useful in particular circumstance that a cunning vampire will be able to avoid most of the time.
We talked a bit about changing it. He suggested Fortitude dots would count as automatic soak successes against non-aggravated damage. Later I got the idea that each dot would count as two extra die for soaking, either all damage or just non-aggravated.
Have anyone tried making changes to Fortitude and come up with something that wasn't too overpowered?"Is this 'cause I killed the hippie? Is that even illegal?"
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2012-12-09, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
Question, where is the Leviathan Book? I cannot seem to find it.
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2012-12-09, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
There are hundred foot long mountains of muscle in the real world. Shall I inform the biologists that they're studying things that don't exist?
Also, Gauru, Urshul, and Dalu all grant claws, but Gauru and Urshul ones are better. I'm actually not using nwod terms to be contrary, they're just the ones I remember. WW was never my favorite line, and I reread WtF for a different game entirely recently.
Edit: As to Leviathan, the wiki is here
http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Leviat...ilationProject
I couldn't immediately find a .pdf, if there is one.Last edited by RPGuru1331; 2012-12-09 at 06:21 PM.
Asok: Shouldn't we actually be working?
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2012-12-09, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
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2012-12-09, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
And? Unobserved and undefined laws of reality are no less laws. As far as the WoD is concerned, that's all part of the natural world.
Natural, itself, is really only meaningful when contrasted by either an extraordinarily solid definition of 'supernatural', or 'artificial'. The WoD lacks the former, and they're certainly not artificial.Asok: Shouldn't we actually be working?
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2012-12-09, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
Werewolves are easy there - they have their shapeshifting powers because of their ancestry/heritage connection with spirits, native entities to another dimension that can only be reached from our world via magic. There could be a semantic argument that spirits are 'natural' in their own world, but they don't obey any natural laws native to our world, so they can't be considered natural here, and by extension the people they favor with their gifts are being granted super-natural powers.
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2012-12-09, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
Their world is part of the universe, though. Or multiverse, if you prefer, after having concrete evidence for alternate planes of reality. It exists (within the WoD), so it's natural.
The problem with the term 'supernatural' is it's generally a word that's used to mean 'things that don't exist'. It's possible to make a definition for it that's actually workable, but it's not really the done thing.Asok: Shouldn't we actually be working?
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2012-12-09, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
In WoD, "supernatural" pretty clearly means "magic". That is, things that don't follow the normal laws of the Fallen World (and, more specifically, the material part of the Fallen World - the bit mortals live in, not the Shadow, Hedge or Underworld) that most regular muggles believe are true.
Such as a human-shaped person suddenly gaining three feet and five hundred pounds. And fur.
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2012-12-09, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
Or people resisting magic with words, a la Moral Support Tactic.
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2012-12-09, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Because claws made of blood and inhabited by the beast strike me as being different than the default fangs of a vampire/fangs and claws of a werewolf. And I'm sceptical of any argument that involves the phrase "supernatural natural weaponry". But mainly the former.
No it really isn't. Tremier blood magic, changling magic, the magic of true mage, the magic of the hedge mage. If there is any clear relationship between the two words its:
"All magic is supernatural, and all supernatural is kinda maybe magicish."Last edited by Boci; 2012-12-09 at 08:29 PM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Fluff mattering, and I don't even know what the hell that means since setting....tends to matter, and fluff being mechanics are not the same thing.
Been a long time also since I read a CWoD book but I want to say the stuff for chainsaws,etc was option as a attack X does massive bodily harm. Beyond that, it's a bit of a straw man to say there are spotty mechanics ergo..... If you want an official response you'd have to post on the CWoD forums at the white wolf forums and see if I can't get a former writer or developer to give an answer. If you want to house rule that, then house rule it to your heart's content as per RAW SotA would soak damage from Protean claws.Last edited by SiderealDreams; 2012-12-09 at 09:02 PM.
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2012-12-09, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Fluff matters more in WoD. Reading through the vampire discipline powers, if I skip to the "System:" paragraph I often lose important information on how the power works, wereas in D&D I can often skip the fluff paragraph of an ability.
And such massive bodily harm wasn't represented by aggrevated damage?
Why do you think so?
And if I care what other people think? I know I'm being argumentative but I just want to make sure people have valid reasons for wanting to keep things that way, and not simply "well the rules say so"."It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
A vampire is infused by the Beast, so his fangs would also be inhabited by them - claws would be no different. And what gives you the idea that Feral Claws are 'made of blood'? You spend blood to activate them, but they're still physical objects - your nails transformed into huge claws, specifically.
Housrule it however you want, but the RAW is clear, it doesn't contradict the fluff, and I personally think it's a waste of time...Skin of the Adder is hardly overpowered as written.Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2012-12-09 at 09:21 PM.
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2012-12-09, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-09, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-09, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Which translates into mechanics.....how. Fluff is fluff, mechanics is mechanics. If fluff has mechanical weight....people write mechanics to support it. This is tangential anyway...
And such massive bodily harm wasn't represented by aggrevated damage?
Aggravated damage you mean? See the part where I said I haven't read a CWoD book in a long time.
Why do you think so?
[QOTE] And if I care what other people think? I know I'm being argumentative but I just want to make sure people have valid reasons for wanting to keep things that way, and not simply "well the rules say so".[/QUOTE]
Then you've received an opinion. If Claws were an exception then either, or preferably, both powers could have mentioned so. They don't but skin explicitly mentions soaking some sources of agg. Again, house rule what you want but the mechanics are clear.Last edited by SiderealDreams; 2012-12-09 at 10:04 PM.
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2012-12-09, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
WoD is a rules light system. Often the storyteller will be expected to make a ruling because the rules won;t cover it, and in such a case they will typically use the fluff to come up with this ruling. So fluff does have mechanical weight.
"If they wanted rules for it they would have written them" is an apropriate attitude for a rules heavy system, but WoD isn't that.
Assuming claws made of blood to be pretty supernatural is not "as bizarre as possible".
So after hearing me say "I want valid reasons, not just the rules say so", you decide the best response is "The rules say so"?Last edited by Boci; 2012-12-09 at 10:14 PM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-09, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
@SiderealDreams - You do realize I've accepted that in the modern age SotA will allow you to soak the damage of feral claws?
Edit: Reguarding me being a rules lawyer: my question is hypothetical. There is 1 player with bloodclaws in the game I ST, and there are not going to be setites in that one anytime soon. In the other game in which I am a player there is nobody with blood claws and nobody with serpentis. So the houserule would not grant me an advantage in either game.Last edited by Boci; 2012-12-10 at 12:07 AM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2012-12-09, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to CeSlebrate!
Asok: Shouldn't we actually be working?
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2012-12-09, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General WoD Discussion #2: Its time to Celebrate!
So, uh... Moving to a subject that's hopefully less likely to devolve into bickering, does anyone mind telling me just how badly I messed up the pledge I posted a page back?