Base Class Challenge Chat Thread III: Gotta 'Brew 'Em All!

[Temotei]

{table=head]Theme|Votes|Voters
Something Bad Luck|0|
Slack and Hash (food)|0|
Inner Planes|8|Amechra, ben-zayb, BlasphemousSlug, Jester of Doom, Silva Stormrage, sirpercival, Xhosant, Zaydos
Time|0|
Alternate Magic|3|InstinctsKill, malonkey1, Tavar
NPCs|0|
Steam and Sorcery|1|GuyFawkes
SPAAAAAACE|1|Cheesy74
Metagaming MAAAAANNNIIIIAAAAAA|0|
Variable Magic|1|Network[/table]

So that's a yes, then.

Yup.

Oh if inner planes contains negative and positive energy planes change my vote to that, since thats basically what I was going to focus on anyway

Vote changed.

I'm planning on posting the system sans a class for PEACH'ing before i use it, though i already have a separate class idea for using with it from either class i'm currently developing it for.

So i assume that means i'm ok to post it for PEACH'ing?

If you haven't posted the class or any part of it before, it should be okay. If you're using a system you made, make sure you link to it in the class or spell it out in the contest post. If the class is basically the system (example), post it in the contest, but nowhere else.

By the sound of it, it should be okay.

[sirpercival]

Can I vote for more than one? Because I'd love to do either SPAA...ACE or Inner Planes, have ideas for all three.

EDIT: Speaking of Æther, Temotei (and anyone else...), I'd love an opinion on something. There's a discussion on MMX about the Ætherforge. Garryl suggested making æther more granular for balance & play smoothness purposes, but I'm afraid that'll make it too much like psionics or a recharge/spell points system, so less unique. I want more people to weigh-in before I make a decision.

Linky to the class thread; this specific discussion is in the last several posts, page 7.

Bump. If I can't vote for three (of course I can't, duh, whatevs) then Temotei can you change my vote to either space or Inner Planes, wherever it'll make a difference at the end (i.e., whichever one would beat alternate magic with the help of my vote, if any).

[Xhosant]

I'll probs change my vote to inner planes too, as my concept can work with them without the "what constitutes alternate" issue.

Is it exclusively inner planes, or I can tap into transitives etc. as well, to a lesser extend?

[GuyFawkes]

Steam and Sorcery.

[Temotei]

Bump.

Yeah, reading through again and thinking about it. I'm leaning toward siding with you.

If I can't vote for three (of course I can't, duh, whatevs) then Temotei can you change my vote to either space or Inner Planes, wherever it'll make a difference at the end (i.e., whichever one would beat alternate magic with the help of my vote, if any).

Done.

I'll probs change my vote to inner planes too, as my concept can work with them without the "what constitutes alternate" issue.

Changed.

Is it exclusively inner planes, or I can tap into transitives etc. as well, to a lesser extend?

If the theme is inner planes, I'd say the class has to be based mainly on the inner planes. However, connections made with the transitive planes would be fitting and probably perfectly fine.

[GuyFawkes]

Dumb question. What are the inner planes?

[Amechra]

The elemental, paraelemental, and quisielemental planes.

Casting my vote for that one.

[ben-zayb]

Dumb question. What are the inner planes?

Elemental Planes and Negative/Positive Energy Planes, to my understanding. Not sure if Paraelemental and Quasielemental planes are included.

EDIT: Shadow Sun Ninja'd (speaking of positive/negative energy)

[Xhosant]

The inner planes are "universes" made entirely of 1 element, consisting of the classic 4, plus possitive and negative.

Think an inferno of liquid and solid fire, an endless ocean of no bottom and surface, a sky above nothing, a huge mass of earth with small, shifting caverns. Plus the "energy" ones: the negative, that level-drains you until you become dust and the positive, that gives you temporary hitpoints until they equal yours, in which case you blow up.

Overall, a bunch of hospitable places.

[Temotei]

The inner planes are "universes" made entirely of 1 element, consisting of the classic 4, plus possitive and negative.

Think an inferno of liquid and solid fire, an endless ocean of no bottom and surface, a sky above nothing, a huge mass of earth with small, shifting caverns. Plus the "energy" ones: the negative, that level-drains you until you become dust and the positive, that gives you temporary hitpoints until they equal yours, in which case you blow up.

Overall, a bunch of hospitable places.

Plus paraelemental and quasielemental planes. But this sums up those planes pretty well.

[Xhosant]

I fall short on these 2, what where they?

[sirpercival]

I fall short on these 2, what where they?

The paraelemental planes consist of transitions between the standard elemental planes -- Ice (Air/Water), Magma (Fire/Earth), Ooze (Water/Earth), Smoke (Fire/Air).

The quasielemental planes are transitions between the elemental planes and the pos/neg planes -- Lightning (Air/Pos), Radiance (Fire/Pos), Mineral (Earth/Pos), Steam (Water/Pos), Ash (Fire/Neg), Dust (Earth/Neg), Salt (Water/Neg), and Vacuum (Air/Neg).

[sirpercival]

Hi folks, I know most of you won't care, but I'm retiring from this contest. Thanks for the awesome entries, everyone, and the awesome contests, Temotei!

[Tavar]

I'm not sure about people not caring.

And I certainly hope nothing's wrong on your end.

[sirpercival]

Explanation

[Tavar]

Link just goes to a page saying the topic is either missing or off limits.

[Temotei]

Explanation

The link's not working for me.

Busy time with the wife and new child, I'm guessing? Good luck, anyway. Sad to see you go.

[sirpercival]

Oh... I forgot. It's on a mmx sub-board which has a min postcount.

Basically I've been spending way too much time homebrewing, and not enough on real life.

[ben-zayb]

Hi folks, I know most of you won't care, but I'm retiring from this contest. Thanks for the awesome entries, everyone, and the awesome contests, Temotei!

Not sure about that, but I believe a LOT of playgrounders admire your sheer creativity and passion for homebrewing (especially Incarnum). I wish you well on your RL endeavours, and I'd keep my fingers crossed that this won't be a permanent retirement thing.

[Xhosant]

I wish you well on your RL endeavours

Go wreck them buddy!

You know, in a good way.

[Morph Bark]

Real life always catches up, dunnit? Wish ya luck on yer endeavors, sir P.

[BlasphemousSlug]

You will be missed sir, you will be missed...

(My vote for Inner planes)

[inuyasha]

Oh... I forgot. It's on a mmx sub-board which has a min postcount.

Basically I've been spending way too much time homebrewing, and not enough on real life.

Is this permanent?

[sirpercival]

Is this permanent?

My retirement? Hopefully not, but we'll see. :)

[Zaydos]

My retirement? Hopefully not, but we'll see. :)

Here's hoping it's not.

Also a vote for Inner Planes. I have a vague concept for Incarnum that might work for the Alt System one (it's half finished and would have worked for madness if I had not been busy with Physics) but... I cannot turn my back on the Inner Planes even if I have no idea what I'd make.

Also I have a pretty long thing about the classes from the current contest if anyone wants to see and promises not to get mad about scathing comments. If I review things I focus on the negative so don't typically say stuff if not asked. I did not cover the plant one in detail.

[Tavar]

Here's hoping it's not.

Also a vote for Inner Planes. I have a vague concept for Incarnum that might work for the Alt System one (it's half finished and would have worked for madness if I had not been busy with Physics) but... I cannot turn my back on the Inner Planes even if I have no idea what I'd make.

Also I have a pretty long thing about the classes from the current contest if anyone wants to see and promises not to get mad about scathing comments. If I review things I focus on the negative so don't typically say stuff if not asked. I did not cover the plant one in detail.

I would like to see it, if nobody else would.

[Silva Stormrage]

I would like to see it as well, I don't mind scathing comments at all.

[Zaydos]

I would like to see it, if nobody else would.

At the moment I want to let the creators see it first.

I would like to see it as well, I don't mind scathing comments at all.

I will warn you that yours was, while I liked the concept, probably my least favorite (it was also the 2nd one I looked at and I think my standards decreased the more I read; I blame fatigue I spent the last 2 days going over classes). I got about halfway through before deciding I wouldn't allow it (DR 20/-, the blood tentacles, I forget what else). I didn't even get to the Invocations sense the other put it unable to play nice in the type of games I play (relatively low optimization especially for upper tier characters). It probably made me more accepting of things that followed. I'll PM you that section, though.

[ben-zayb]

I always appreciate and welcome a thorough dissection, with or without anesthetic aid.

I'd particularly like the issue on full attack lobotomies to be expounded on. Is it because it allows multiple chances to succeed?

[Zaydos]

I always appreciate and welcome a thorough dissection, with or without anesthetic aid.

I'd particularly like the issue on full attack lobotomies to be expounded on. Is it because it allows multiple chances to succeed?

The simple answer to that is 2 things: 1 as written it's unclear whether they have to make multiple saves against an effect each round allowing you to force multiple saves or lose in a round (since touch attacks will hit almost always) or 2 if you go with 2-Weapon Fighting you can go with a sneak attack style build which struck me as a little off and got worse when you add on the bonus damage and save or lose effects even if those were only suffered once per round.