I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender

[Chronos]

I had one of those weird dreams last night. I dreamed that we had a new update, which showed a new character who was familiar with elven physiology and who had seen V unclothed (I think the character was a surgeon or grafter or something like that, and had operated on V). And the character referred to V with the pronoun

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"she"

Annoyingly, though, the update wasn't in the form of a comic, but something like a live-streaming thing, so it wasn't possible to link to it.

Anyway, that's my contribution for the day to keeping up the weirdness factor around here.

[137beth]

Are you sure the person wasn't using a Potion of Glibness?

[Living Oxymoron]

Annoyingly, though, the update wasn't in the form of a comic, but something like a live-streaming thing, so it wasn't possible to link to it.

That's sad, because if you had linked I could have seen it when I visit this forum in my dreams.

[SaintRidley]

Not sure why seeing V naked would tell you anything about V's gender, anyway. Biological sex? Sure. Gender? Not so much.

[ufo]

Not sure why seeing V naked would tell you anything about V's gender, anyway. Biological sex? Sure. Gender? Not so much.

I'm sure informing people about the problems of a culture that enforces a binary view on genders is more effective if you're more direct and less smug about it

[Chronos]

Given how closely correlated anatomical sex and psychological gender are, seeing a person naked certainly tells you something about that person's gender.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Huh. Interesting. At least your dream made sense, except for the last part. I once had a dream where a new update revealed that the MitD was O-Chul's long-lost brother, and they were both shapeshifters of some sort. This was why O-Chul was able to survive at Azure City for so long. And it was in some weird video format.

And then I woke up and discovered that there was a new comic up. Weirdest thing.

[Socksy]

Huh. Interesting. At least your dream made sense, except for the last part. I once had a dream where a new update revealed that the MitD was O-Chul's long-lost brother, and they were both shapeshifters of some sort. This was why O-Chul was able to survive at Azure City for so long. And it was in some weird video format.

And then I woke up and discovered that there was a new comic up. Weirdest thing.

New headcanon^

I once had a dream that V and Z were in a duel (of the swashbuckley type, they were using rapiers), with a DM as the umpire/referee type thing.

Z attacked and hit V, who said something like "Wait! I want to sunder that attack!" (For some strange dream reason, the words 'sunder' and 'parry' had swapped meanings.) The DM was like "Are you sure? Sunder rules are hard!", but V insisted, so he started looking at the tables in the DMG and rolling d%, face growing more and more puzzled, until he finally announced: "Z just got V pregnant! I warned you about sunder rules!"

And that's when I started shipping V <3< Z really hard...

[cheesecake]

Not sure why seeing V naked would tell you anything about V's gender, anyway. Biological sex? Sure. Gender? Not so much.

Gender is directly tied to what one would see if V were naked.

I will to the day I die say V is female. Before I ever came to the forum, I said V was female. I never knew it was even a debate and honestly don't see any reason now to question it.

[Tiiba]

How male do you have to be before people realize that you're male?

Especially an elf. An androgynous elf is male. An androgynous dwarf is female.

[Grey Watcher]

The real question is, did your dream conform to your waking belief about Vaarsuvius's sex and/or gender?

[An Enemy Spy]

Gender is directly tied to what one would see if V were naked.

I will to the day I die say V is female. Before I ever came to the forum, I said V was female. I never knew it was even a debate and honestly don't see any reason now to question it.

That's funny, because I had the exact opposite thought. I can't even conceive of V being female, he just always seemed like a guy to me. I had no idea he wasn't supposed to unambiguously male before characters started remarking on it.

[Anarion]

How male do you have to be before people realize that you're male?

Especially an elf. An androgynous elf is male. An androgynous dwarf is female.

Ha, positing the existence of female dwarves. That's a good one.

The real question is, did your dream conform to your waking belief about Vaarsuvius's sex and/or gender?

The dream altered reality to make it conform. Dreams are cool like that.

[Dr.Gunsforhands]

I'm pretty sure that the word gender is defined such that it can have both of these meanings... The meanings are so closely related that a person trying to talk about one thing could easily be mistakenly construed as referring to the other, unfortunately, but in this case it's intuitive enough that I assumed SaintRidley was just picking nits for a laugh.

I don't even think we have much recourse to avoid the nitpick, because sex has a similar problem. It can also refer to the activity, and many people avoid using the word in this context for that reason.

If they did, someone would likely drop by and wonder, "wow, to describe V's sex, they must have examined V's elven physiology extremely closely... If you know what I mean!!11 lol lol #imsofunny"

...a harrowing scenario, to be sure.

[CaDzilla]

I had a dream that Laurin was looking out on a balcony and looking at Malack in the clouds.

[jere7my]

Gender is directly tied to what one would see if V were naked.

The world is full of people whose gender has nothing to do with their biological sex.

[Socksy]

I had a dream that Laurin was looking out on a balcony and looking at Malack in the clouds.

No shhhh that's sad
The Vector Legion are my pRECIOUS BABIES
*loud wailing about how Malack is dead and Laurin really did care about him*

[oppyu]

Heathen lies, Vaarsuvius (and elves in OOTSland in general) is agendered. Any who disagree with me will face the stinging shame of knowing I think they're wrong.

[Cavenskull]

The world is full of people whose gender has nothing to do with their biological sex.

That's obvious based on the post you quoted. Clearly, their gender is directly tied to what they would see if V was naked. Vaarsuvius' naked body is the key to everybody's gender.

[cheesecake]

The world is full of people whose gender has nothing to do with their biological sex.

This is where I get lost.

Explain this to me?

If I have a "XXX" set of genitals does that mean I might not be male, but in fact might be female?

[Grey Watcher]

This is where I get lost.

Explain this to me?

If I have a "XXX" set of genitals does that mean I might not be male, but in fact might be female?

That's pretty much what "transgender" means in a nutshell, yes.

[Kalmageddon]

This is where I get lost.

Explain this to me?

If I have a "XXX" set of genitals does that mean I might not be male, but in fact might be female?

You might want to stay away from this, trust me.

[orrion]

I dreamed about cake. It was chocolate cake. With chocolate frosting. There was chocolate ice cream.

It was yummy and delicious.

[Cizak]

This is where I get lost.

Explain this to me?

If I have a "XXX" set of genitals does that mean I might not be male, but in fact might be female?

Here, have a comic about agender. It touches on the subject.

"Sex", that silly word that made you giggle in 7th grade Biology is just that: Biology.
The biological sum of your parts, with anatomy, hormones and chromosomes all factoring into its definition. You can even alter them to the point of legally redefining your sex!
But gender is something ingrained to your personal indentity. It's how you perceive yourself, how you feel you fit into the human race. It might be tied to your sex or it might be at odds with it."

[jere7my]

If I have a "XXX" set of genitals does that mean I might not be male, but in fact might be female?

If you have a XXX set of genitals, you might be a porn star.

[YossarianLives]

OOTS is invading the dreams of its fans.

[denthor]

When discussing V's gender always ask a beholder if you really want to know.

8th or 9th comic down

[JennTora]

I had a dream last night that Elan was actually a member of some mysterious race and in his true form he had blue skin and a spiky yellow Mohawk. Also he was not stupid at all.

[cheesecake]

You might want to stay away from this, trust me.

I guess I at 30 I must be too old to grasp this concept. I guess today you can decide if you want to be a boy or a girl even if you have the physical make up of a girl.

When I fill out a job application shouldn't they have two check boxes. Sex M or F then below that Gender M or F?


But taking all this into consideration...

V is a Hermaphrodite. There are many combinations. Girl/Boy Boy/Girl Girl/Girl Boy/Boy...V can be anything she wants to be and be legimate. Because V wants ultimate power, V has ultimate power over physical sex and gender.

[Chronos]

Quoth Grey Watcher:

The real question is, did your dream conform to your waking belief about Vaarsuvius's sex and/or gender?

Nope. My waking conception is that V's gender is 1/sqrt(2)*|male> + 1/sqrt(2)*|female> , and that V's mate is 1/sqrt(2)*|male> - 1/sqrt(2)*|female> . In other words, if we represent Elan's gender as | , and Haley's gender as - , then Vaarsuvius' is / and Inkyrius' is \ .