Fanfiction themes that creep you out.

[Traab]

I barely know about Pokemon, but I don't really see any potential for legitimate maturity there. The only way to make it successfully "dark", from what I can see, is to point out the cockfighting parallels. Look how well that worked out for PETA.

I literally have no idea what a Fullmetal Alchemist is. I'm Googling it now. It doesn't seem like my kind of thing.

FMA was probably my first foray into adult anime. It had humor, awkward silliness, high adventure. It also had horror, drama, pain and suffering, and dark mysteries with even darker solutions. It had scenes that made me laugh, made me cry, made me gasp in horror.

As for pokemon, it could always be worse. They could make it the pokegirl world. /shudder. Imagine it, every pokemon is a big breasted humanish female. Bulbasaur becomes Boobisaur, and every trainer is collecting a harem of pokegirls, each of which needs to be "tamed". On a lark I read through some of this stuff and it is disturbing how deep they go into detail on this stuff. They basically create pokedex entries for every type in their world, including things like cup size, and how often they need "taming" to stay healthy and happy along side what combat moves they can pull off and what pokegirls they either cant stand or work great with. I think I prefer the pokewar idea. At least that doesnt make me lose hope in humanity.

[Drascin]

At the risk of becoming public enemy number one over here, I'm not entirely sure why adults play video games to begin with. But that's a topic for another time and, preferably, another message board.

You can always find things to be confused about in other people's tastes.

My own confusion has always been why people would watch sports at all. Like, playing sports, I can easily get. But watching other people kick around a ball when they could be kicking the ball themselves for noticeably more fun factor? I could never share the enthusiasm.

On the other hand, at least I don't exactly go into other people's threads to treat them like strange immature creatures for doing so.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

On the other hand, at least I don't exactly go into other people's threads to treat them like strange immature creatures for doing so.

Are you implying that's what I did?

[HandofShadows]

Are you implying that's what I did?

You most certainly have sorry to say. I doubt that was your intention, but that does not change the result.

[8BitNinja]

As for pokemon, it could always be worse. They could make it the pokegirl world. /shudder. Imagine it, every pokemon is a big breasted humanish female. Bulbasaur becomes Boobisaur, and every trainer is collecting a harem of pokegirls, each of which needs to be "tamed". On a lark I read through some of this stuff and it is disturbing how deep they go into detail on this stuff. They basically create pokedex entries for every type in their world, including things like cup size, and how often they need "taming" to stay healthy and happy along side what combat moves they can pull off and what pokegirls they either cant stand or work great with.

In some sick 12 year old's mind, this probably exists,

There is nothing new under the sun, and sadly, this is under the sun

[Traab]

In some sick 12 year old's mind, this probably exists,

There is nothing new under the sun, and sadly, this is under the sun

No, not SOME sick 12 year olds mind. A LOT of sick newly hitting puberty minds. There is an entire fandom surrounding this. Its how I found it in the first place. Someone mentioned this to me and out of morbid curiosity I looked it up. There is an actual canon backstory that a great deal of fanfiction is written around. Its complicated and I dont recall it all clearly but yeah, a lot of people worked really hard to build what is a surprisingly coherent universe around big breasted sex pet battle slaves of the furry set, or whatever the kink is when humans have animal traits like dog ears, funny skin colors and wings and such. Oh yeah, I just remembered, the justification for "taming". All wild pokegirls are feral, they are basically animals mentally. They need regular doses of treasure type "D" in order to get their minds back and keep them. So, really, these pokegirl tamers are doing them a FAVOR by turning them into sex gladiators!

[8BitNinja]

No, not SOME sick 12 year olds mind. A LOT of sick newly hitting puberty minds. There is an entire fandom surrounding this. Its how I found it in the first place. Someone mentioned this to me and out of morbid curiosity I looked it up. There is an actual canon backstory that a great deal of fanfiction is written around. Its complicated and I dont recall it all clearly but yeah, a lot of people worked really hard to build what is a surprisingly coherent universe around big breasted sex pet battle slaves of the furry set, or whatever the kink is when humans have animal traits like dog ears, funny skin colors and wings and such. Oh yeah, I just remembered, the justification for "taming". All wild pokegirls are feral, they are basically animals mentally. They need regular doses of treasure type "D" in order to get their minds back and keep them. So, really, these pokegirl tamers are doing them a FAVOR by turning them into sex gladiators!

Internet, what hath you wrought?

Seriously, this is wrong, forget what I said about slash, I don't care about that anymore. This right here is disgusting. This can pretty much be considered bestiality.

I'm all for First Amendment rights, but I am ashamed to think of this as being protected by it

[Lethologica]

I barely know about Pokemon, but I don't really see any potential for legitimate maturity there. The only way to make it successfully "dark", from what I can see, is to point out the cockfighting parallels. Look how well that worked out for PETA.

I literally have no idea what a Fullmetal Alchemist is. I'm Googling it now. It doesn't seem like my kind of thing.

Depends on what qualifies as potential. The Codex Alera series started as a bet that Jim Butcher could make a good story out of two lame ideas. One was the Lost Roman Legion. The other was Pokemon. He didn't do half bad, all things considered.

Now, that's a massive transformation from the Pokemon setting and plot--most fanfic won't go anywhere near that far (though I have a friend whose original fiction started as Homestuck fanfic). But you can count on fanfic to dig as far as it needs to to find maturity. (And also darkness for darkness' sake, and sick porn, and whatever else, because there's no filtering for taste.)

EDIT: Also, filtering for taste doesn't always work. Just look at the Gor fantasy series. (Or don't, because it's basically the published equivalent of the sex gladiator Pokemon fanfic universe, but you get the idea.)

[8BitNinja]

There is are new species on the internet, they are the creepyus justhitpubertyus or in common, the Creepy 12 Year Old Boy and creepyus writenastystoryoncrushus, or the Creepy Teenage Girl who Writes Really Messed Up Fanfiction About Their Sick Imaginations

After careful analysis, this species is not common in the material plane, mostly because these two don't leave the internet plane. These appear to be 12 year old boys or teenage girls, but they are actually mutated cringe monsters of those. They are not natural.

No one knows a cause, and no known cure has been found

I have no more money for which to further conduct the study, I spent it all hiring mercenaries to fight the last internet war

[Dragonexx]

To be fair, it's not really that hard to make pokemon darker. If you actually look at some of the pokedex entries, you can find all sorts of creepy things.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8gS8HwPAM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2g2mg_41Us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcC33OwsZpg

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers actually went to some darker areas, which I won't spoil here, unless someone would like to ask me to.

Heck, I'm working (slowly) on a PMD fanfic myself and I'm not afraid to go into darker areas. (It won't entirely be that, because I know that darker =/= better writing by default).

[AvatarVecna]

Pokemon also wasn't exactly devoid of weird sex stuff, although the majority of it was weird implications rather than outright statements or on-screen depictions (with the exception of the banned fanservice episode).

[digiman619]

Pokemon also wasn't exactly devoid of weird sex stuff, although the majority of it was weird implications rather than outright statements or on-screen depictions (with the exception of the banned fanservice episode).

Yeah, but there's a big difference between "inflatable fake boobs" and "literally dehumanizing females to make them your sex slaves". Anything that takes away free will and agency, in any form of fiction, is an anathema to me.

[Aotrs Commander]

To be fair, it's not really that hard to make pokemon darker. If you actually look at some of the pokedex entries, you can find all sorts of creepy things.

Just to expand on this (These might well all have been mentioned in the videos, but for quicker reference):

Yamask's Pokedex description, right out of the most recent games:

These Pokémon arose from the spirits of people interred in graves. Each retains memories of its former life.

Each of them carries a mask that used to be its face when it was human. Sometimes they look at it and cry.

Its evolved form, Cofagrigus swallows people and turns them into mummies.

Driftloon attempts to steal children away (striaght to the undeworld in the Japansese version...)

Phantump is a stump of wood possessed by the spirit of children that died lost in the woods.

They're very common in Kalos.

And you can breed them.

Lest we think this is all newer generation stuff, let us remember that when Haunter licks you, it drains your life, causing spasms until you die. And it likes to stalk people.

And this is all CANON. (And only a portion.)


Pokemon is dark already, man.

[Dragonexx]

Yeah, but there's a big difference between "inflatable fake boobs" and "literally dehumanizing females to make them your sex slaves". Anything that takes away free will and agency, in any form of fiction, is an anathema to me.

Is this fandom pretty vocal? Do they go around posting their stuff on other pokemon fansites? Because if not, then I don't care what you fap to, so long as you keep it in your own community.

[AvatarVecna]

Yeah, but there's a big difference between "inflatable fake boobs" and "literally dehumanizing females to make them your sex slaves". Anything that takes away free will and agency, in any form of fiction, is an anathema to me.

While I absolutely agree that nothing in Pokemon canon even comes close the the porn!fanon attempts to justify the sexual slavery of creatures that can't choose for themselves in any capacity, I would like to point out that "inflatable fake boobs" is one of the tamer parts of that episode. As an example, there's a part where an old man is ogling Misty's bikini-clad body (and Misty is 10 yo, to be clear), and the old man says "you remind me of my granddaughter". Again, nowhere near as creepy as the Pokemon furry porn fanon stuff, but still pretty ****ed up.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Just to expand on this (These might well all have been mentioned in the videos, but for quicker reference):

Yamask's Pokedex description, right out of the most recent games:



Its evolved form, Cofagrigus swallows people and turns them into mummies.

Driftloon attempts to steal children away (striaght to the undeworld in the Japansese version...)

Phantump is a stump of wood possessed by the spirit of children that died lost in the woods.

They're very common in Kalos.

And you can breed them.

Lest we think this is all newer generation stuff, let us remember that when Haunter licks you, it drains your life, causing spasms until you die. And it likes to stalk people.

And this is all CANON. (And only a portion.)


Pokemon is dark already, man.

Yeah, the canon descriptions for most ghost-type pokemon sound like they fit more into a sort of Mushishi thing than an E-rated game. This is before things like Lugia bringing storms, Absol foretelling disasters, Groudon and Kyogre awakening and running amok until you manage to bring in Rayquaza.

[John Cribati]

I'm still not over just how many 'Mons are about sucking out bodily fluids.

[8BitNinja]

Yeah, but there's a big difference between "inflatable fake boobs" and "literally dehumanizing females to make them your sex slaves". Anything that takes away free will and agency, in any form of fiction, is an anathema to me.

There is fanservice and revealing outfits, people will argue all day about those

There is disrespect to women, which is wrong.

But then there is this, and wrong is not even a word I can use to describe it. This pokegirl thing is literally putting women on the level of animals. What word can you use for this?

[Dragonexx]

Alright, this most fanfic things, I'm generally either like, or don't care one way or the other. But this pokegirls things is really creeping me out. I'm generally on a "keep it private and I don't care" level for fetishes, but I did some research on this, and it's really dislikable.

Let's stop talking about this...

[Dragonexx]

Double post

[Aotrs Commander]

There is fanservice and revealing outfits, people will argue all day about those

There is disrespect to women, which is wrong.

But then there is this, and wrong is not even a word I can use to describe it. This pokegirl thing is literally putting women on the level of animals. What word can you use for this?

Hate to point this out, but Pokemon isn't even distantly the only thing that does something like that - even D&D-like high fantasy is not immune to this kind of thing. (There is a thing called monster girls, which I encountered once¹.)

I'm pretty sure if you could find it for almost everything if you bother to look.



¹I mention that, since some of what I skimmed over which quite... unsettling; i.e. it went beyond just humanoid/sexualised monsters - which by itself can be harmless enough (as you said about fanservice), provided one doesn't go too far. This kinda did. While I have no problems generally with other people's fantasies/fetishes/preferences etc - I take a simple "not my bag" approach (and let's be clear, that approach equally extends to the "defaults" (sic)); but not where consent is implied to be (or actually) not involved. For participants of either gender. I find that... well, as I say, unsettling.

[John Cribati]

Also, I don't think it's fair to say that Pokémon are animals. They all have a sense of sentience and sapience, they can understand and communicate advanced and abstract concepts, and Psychic Pokémon across the board have at least human-level intelligence, with a lot of them having IQs that are literally off the charts.

[Dragonexx]

Monstergirl can refer to any number of things. Many are tame, and I actually follow some of them because the artwork and design is good.

However, the one you're probably referring to is essentially the opposite of pokegirls, where monstergirls kidnap, rape, and enslave human men.

[8BitNinja]

I'm pretty sure if you could find it for almost everything if you bother to look.

Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it, no exceptions.

[Sith_Happens]

I barely know about Pokemon, but I don't really see any potential for legitimate maturity there.

Tell that to the manga writers.

That question I have no answer to. But then, I have no answer to why adults play Pokemon to begin with.

It's an RPG with 722 possible party members and counting, what's not to like?

FMA was probably my first foray into adult anime.

What are you considering "adult," because FMA is technically teenager anime.

As for pokemon, it could always be worse. They could make it the pokegirl world. /shudder... [Snip]

...So Sekirei, but more so.

[druid91]

Mostly, the biggest problem I have with Slash, is it essentially becomes omnipresent. Suddenly, EVERYONE is homosexual, and very vocal about it, and the commentary becomes irritating.

Just having it there doesn't really bother me at all. For example, the way it comes up in HP:MoR. It's simply a character trait certain people have, and the occasional speculation by others. Not an uninterrupted stream of flirting and whatnot.

Also, pretty much all romance as a main focus in general. Romance works best as a subplot, as it provides motivation that can conflict with a characters main goals. It just doesn't function well as the main focus and becomes kind of squicky.

Also, crossovers where suddenly someone appears and bam is the superbest ever and curbstomps everyone. Also crossovers where characters who didn't have traits previously suddenly have them for no apparent reason apart from 'cool'. For example, I read a crossover once that had a team of Ultramarines training harry potter. They taught him to basically be a samurai rather than an ultramarine. Made very little sense.

[Aotrs Commander]

Monstergirl can refer to any number of things. Many are tame, and I actually follow some of them because the artwork and design is good.

However, the one you're probably referring to is essentially the opposite of pokegirls, where monstergirls kidnap, rape, and enslave human men.

Yes, that would be the one I was thinking of specificially; I'm sorry if I tarred too broad a generisation with that brush.

[8BitNinja]

Also, pretty much all romance as a main focus in general. Romance works best as a subplot, as it provides motivation that can conflict with a characters main goals. It just doesn't function well as the main focus and becomes kind of squicky.

There is a reason I don't like romance movies, or anything of the romance medium

[Hiro Protagonest]

Also, pretty much all romance as a main focus in general. Romance works best as a subplot, as it provides motivation that can conflict with a characters main goals. It just doesn't function well as the main focus and becomes kind of squicky.

The better stories of Katawa Shoujo properly set up conflict around the romance. Now, of course, this is partially subjective. My favorite story in that was the one that was peaceful for the most part. But they all have different themes and progression.

[8BitNinja]

Literature could do without romance

It's like your appendix, or one kidney