Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed

[Razade]

Have any of Charlie Sheen's roles been 'good guys'? That was his persona in the last update we saw of him.

Arguably Ferris Bueller's Day Off. He's in jail, we never know why, but he acts as a voice of good and a voice of reason for the sister.

[Lizard Lord]

Arguably Ferris Bueller's Day Off. He's in jail, we never know why, but he acts as a voice of good and a voice of reason for the sister.

He said why. Drugs.

[SuperPanda]

Have any of Charlie Sheen's roles been 'good guys'? That was his persona in the last update we saw of him.

Also, the scene with Clone Slately had him taking all sorts of bad-guy roles: Palpatine and the Joker come to mind immediately, but I know there are others.

The first of those I didn't recognize - the rest I didn't remember. Good point on the villain presence for Slately. - I think that means that the only real take-away for Charlie's personal signamancy is that he only cares about there being no recognizable theme to his signamancy.

[DigoDragon]

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I felt like this one was short enough to be a comic page. It is nice that Caesar wants a private audience with Parson. All the better to persuade Caesar to see Parson's ideas as beneficial. Hopefully.

[SZbNAhL]

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Interesting that Caesar wants to avoid a regicide. It would put him on the throne without him having to go to the trouble of launching a messy coup, probably losing a few warlords, almost certainly losing Ben. It could be that he's lying, of course, but I'm pretty sure he would have told Bunny if he was planning something. He seems to trust her, from what I can tell.

[slayerx]

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Interesting that Caesar wants to avoid a regicide. It would put him on the throne without him having to go to the trouble of launching a messy coup, probably losing a few warlords, almost certainly losing Ben. It could be that he's lying, of course, but I'm pretty sure he would have told Bunny if he was planning something. He seems to trust her, from what I can tell.

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No reason for Ceasar to lie when talking to himself. Simple fact is that even if he's not very fond of Don, he's no traitor. Don't forget that he and Don used to have a strong relationship before Don went all royalist. The decision to overthrow Don is not one that would come easily to him. He'd much rather try and get things back to the way they used to be, than to try something as radical as taking over.

But i think Parson might be the breaking point... The Pricey ransom alone would be worth A LOT to the ailing Transylvito; not to mention the possibilty that Parson might be willing to help them against their enemies. Logically it be rather crazy to refuse such an offer and Don most certainly would. The solution to all their side's problems falls right into their lap, and Don refuses? That just might break ceasar.

[eschmenk]

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Interesting that Caesar wants to avoid a regicide. It would put him on the throne without him having to go to the trouble of launching a messy coup, probably losing a few warlords, almost certainly losing Ben. It could be that he's lying, of course, but I'm pretty sure he would have told Bunny if he was planning something. He seems to trust her, from what I can tell.

I realize that some people seemed to think that a coup was inevitable, but I never got the impression that Caesar wanted to go ahead with it. He always seemed to prefer to try to make Don make the right choices, rather than replace him and do it himself even though he thinks that Don might be trying to kill him off.

BTW, do we know how close they are to popping a new heir?

Have any of Charlie Sheen's roles been 'good guys'? That was his persona in the last update we saw of him.

That was for the benefit of the Archons, so I'm not sure how much we can read into that, but weren't his TV roles basically flawed, but decent people, especially in Spin City? I don't watch much TV, so I don't really know.

[hajo]

BTW, do we know how close they are to popping a new heir?

From the last thinkagram between Don and Jillian: 50 turns.
That was at turn 81, just before Albert popped. Now it's turn number 91.
So, TV's heir popping is still 39 turns away.

Considering that quite a lot was going on in the last 10 turns,
I wouldn't bet much on that event even happening...

[Bobb]

If we cut to FAQ I will die.

And shortly thereafter begin haunting Rob.

[hajo]

If we cut to FAQ I will die.

Well, there are other options for a scene-change:
* MK/Wanda/Lilith
* Spacerock/Trem/Ansom
* Archons attacking Stanley&Juggles
* Jetstone/Jed/Bonnie / Ace/Sizemore
* something/someone completely different (say, the court of Carpool)

[Bobb]

Well, there are other options for a scene-change:
* MK/Wanda/Lilith
* Spacerock/Trem/Ansom
* Archons attacking Stanley&Juggles
* Jetstone/Jed/Bonnie / Ace/Sizemore
* something/someone completely different (say, the court of Carpool)

.. I will still perish, but Rob will be spared.

[eschmenk]

* Archons attacking Stanley&Juggles

The last scene with Charlie (page 144) pretty much ruled out the Archons attacking Stanley for the time being, but I suppose we could still go back to Stanley & the Juggles. (I think we are done with that for now, though.)

I could add Janis mourning Marie and perhaps Sizemore talking with either Marie or the GMs in the MK and probably quite a few other permutations of the people who might be in the MK, I suppose.

.. I will still perish, but Rob will be spared.

What if Jillian shows up somewhere other than in FAQ? I have a feeling that she will be involved somehow.

BTW, the Declaration of Non-Aggression should last another 18 or so turns, so GK can't harm Jillian even in self-defense. Does that mean that she and Wanda can't have any of their normal fun if they get together? Will they swap rolls?

[halfeye]

Will they swap rolls?

Or even roles?

[SZbNAhL]

Or even roles?

No, they'll realise that they can't have the standard BDSM playtime and instead they'll share the sushi rolls which pop for Jillian's prisoner rations. Wanda will bring some bread rolls from the larder.

[The Glyphstone]

The first of those I didn't recognize - the rest I didn't remember. Good point on the villain presence for Slately. - I think that means that the only real take-away for Charlie's personal signamancy is that he only cares about there being no recognizable theme to his signamancy.

I'd argue, rather, that he has atypically strong control over his personal signamancy, at least in the mindspace. Slately's images were villains, but they were also manipulators and puppetmaster/mastermind archetypes, which fit what he was trying to do at the time. Rather than most people's Signamancies reflecting their general attitude or capabilities, Charlie's Signamancy reflects his current state of mind and goals, while his physical Signamancy remains that of Charlie Brown.

[Mad Humanist]

From the last thinkagram between Don and Jillian: 50 turns.
That was at turn 81, just before Albert popped. Now it's turn number 91.
So, TV's heir popping is still 39 turns away.

Considering that quite a lot was going on in the last 10 turns,
I wouldn't bet much on that event even happening...

Don, Nice kingdom you've got here. It would be such a shame if something were to happen to your royal butt. I mean Caesar would become king and he would have a royal as heir.

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I realize that some people seemed to think that a coup was inevitable, but I never got the impression that Caesar wanted to go ahead with it. He always seemed to prefer to try to make Don make the right choices, rather than replace him and do it himself even though he thinks that Don might be trying to kill him off.

The thing is, Fate has been keeping Caesar alive, for some reason. If Don wasn't going to make things difficult, then there would be no reason for Caesar to be shielded by Fate. The Fate meta reason implies things won't go as planned. The way I see it:

A) Don goes for an execution - which causes a coup led by Caesar - so far this seemed most inevitable
B) There is a counter offer by CC, that Don accepts, but Caesar refuses for some reason (this seems bizarre)
B1) There is a counter offer by CC, that Don accepts, but Fate intervenes to have Parson rescued by third party and Caesar just declines to chase after Parson
C) Don and Parson reach an accord, but CC invades and kills Don.

[eschmenk]

B) There is a counter offer by CC, that Don accepts, but Caesar refuses for some reason (this seems bizarre)

Yes, I think that Fate was probably keeping Caesar alive in order to save Parson somehow and Caesar might accomplish that by overthrowing Don. That's a good point; It's just that I wouldn't have expected it if Parson wasn't involved. Regarding B), I think the facts that Caesar is in love with Bunny and Bunny has a good reason to keep Don from accepting any offer from CC would make B) not seem bizarre. Bunny might manipulate Caesar into overthrowing Don rather than just refusing the offer, though.

[Merellis]

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Hah! Oh man, that was a fun update. Not much really happened in it beyond the Don once again getting his butt whooped without a battle. :P

But man, Stanley is just hilarious these days.

[DigoDragon]

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Yeah, Stanley is a card. ^_^

...you know, part of me would actually like to see Stanley march his little clown army up to Transylvito's front gate and renegotiate Parson's release for a one ton discount. Especially if Ace and sizemore actually replicate the rifles with ammo first. :3

A bit sad we only hear of this Count Al fellow without really seeing him.

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Yeah, Stanley is a card. ^_^

...you know, part of me would actually like to see Stanley march his little clown army up to Transylvito's front gate and renegotiate Parson's release for a one ton discount. Especially if Ace and sizemore actually replicate the rifles with ammo first. :3

A bit sad we only hear of this Count Al fellow without really seeing him.

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Well, Don got burned. Heavily.

Wonder if Caesar is going to stand up to him now.

Also they aren't returning the bracer, are they?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Yo...what if someone in transylvito used the scroll?

[Mobius Twist]

I'm not sure Don really lost anything other than a bit of face in court. Sure, Stanley seems to not be as hard-up for money as Ben thought, but that's still two million schmuckers that are now going to be sitting in Transylvito treasury and going to all sorts of war efforts.

The biggest aspect of the side's instability and uncertainty isn't the ongoing wars; it's the slow tension tearing at them from within due to horrible budget problems as a result of propping up Faq. That's not an issue any longer. I feel like this negotiation, however poorly conducted by Stanley, involved a lot of win-win.

[eschmenk]

Apparently Stanley is marching all of the Juggles to Spacerock.

I wonder how much the 2 million compares to the amount of money Don spent on Jillian.

What are the odds that Charlie overheard that conversation?

ADDED: I agree with what Mobius Twist just said, but Charlie would probably change what "win" means for TV if he overheard.

[turbo164]

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Yeah, Stanley is a card. ^_^

...you know, part of me would actually like to see Stanley march his little clown army up to Transylvito's front gate and renegotiate Parson's release for a one ton discount. Especially if Ace and sizemore actually replicate the rifles with ammo first. :3

A bit sad we only hear of this Count Al fellow without really seeing him.

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I think Count Al was the guy Jillian met when Ceaser was taking her to meet Don (between book 1 and 2). She gutted his pet fish, Wanda, for rations.

[DigoDragon]

What are the odds that Charlie overheard that conversation?

Perhaps not very high, given that his network is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Good news for Parson of course.

Meanwhile, I wonder if Jillian is going to get word of Wanda's trial/execution, and if so what she may do.

[ace rooster]

lol, I've seen that face before. My parents are not hugely wealthy, but they don't agree with credit on principle and don't have expensive tastes, so they keep a decent reserve for eventualities. We needed a new car, so Mum went to the dealer and asked him for a basic model Ford Ka. She doesn't have CDs, so there was no need for a CD player, and we live in Scotland, so no need for AC. Alloy wheels get destroyed by our road... you get the idea. Within twenty minutes of entering the showroom she was doing paperwork, and the salesman was struggling to contain his pleasure at the easiest sale of his life. Then he asked if she wanted credit, to which she responded "I'll just put it on the debit card", and I saw that face. In actual fact there is no way he would have managed to sell my mum anything more expensive, but he didn't know that.

It does put Transylvito in a bit of a spin, though the extra money is sweet. You really start to worry when your enemy is throwing side changing amounts of money around like loose change. Stanley is maybe still a little disorientated at having seen his treasury moving in increments of 5 million, so his response was maybe not the way he would normally react to 2 mill.
Stanley could have negotiated that better in financial terms, but I expect Parson will approve of the deterrence this will cause. Transylvito won that negotiation hard and Stanley did not even notice, never mind care. PsyOps FTW.

Incidently, Parson judged it good for the side to turn from Charlescomm for 5 million. That says something, though that was a 5 million exchange between two rich sides.

[Yuki Akuma]

Why does Caeser have to recognise Stanley from the banners? He's seen him in person.

And he got absolutely obliterated with one hit from the Arkenhammer.

[eschmenk]

Perhaps not very high, given that his network is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Good news for Parson of course.

Meanwhile, I wonder if Jillian is going to get word of Wanda's trial/execution, and if so what she may do.

I think Charlie has had at least one turn for repairs. OTOH, he might not find it easy to get casters to link up without drawing attention ATM. Also, if Charlie is flipping channels, the length of the conversation increased the chance that Charlie would stumble upon it.

I don't know how Jillian could affect anything in the MK, but I wouldn't rule out her getting drug into this somehow.

Speaking of Jillian, it would be a very good thing if TV is too intimidated to have Jillian go seizing GK's cities. GK can't fight back against her according to the terms of their agreement with Charlie, not even in self-defense!

I think Count Al was the guy Jillian met when Ceaser was taking her to meet Don (between book 1 and 2). She gutted his pet fish, Wanda, for rations.

Right.

Why does Caeser have to recognise Stanley from the banners? He's seen him in person.

And he got absolutely obliterated with one hit from the Arkenhammer.

Well, he got stunned, anyway.

[Kantaki]

I think my favorite part is Stanley offering Don to teach him how to negotiate.

To bad that Transylvito's information on GK's treasury was a bit outdated. A few turns ago two millions would have hurt more.
But as long as Don's ego is all that got hurt it is a good deal for them.