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2017-03-16, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1068 - The Discussion Thread
"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
Ronkong Coma "the way of the bookhunter" III Catacombium
(Walter Moers "Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher")
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2017-03-16, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-16, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1068 - The Discussion Thread
Less sympathetic, more powerful, Redcloak is his slave. And in terms of power, Redcloak is currently one level higher than the Order and is advancing slower than they are, while they outnumber him six to one; a battle between him and the Order would be a walkover for the order.
I expect Redcloak's ultimate role in the story to be more nuanced and more important than Belkar slaughtering him, but I would be amazed if Xykon doesn't have another confrontation with Roy. Whether he ever remembers who that is or not.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2017-03-16, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have only one thing to say to that.
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(yes, I realize that, technically, your post didn't start with the word 'technically'. Same difference.)
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2017-03-16, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-16, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm afraid I also don't see why either a) this joke comes across as terribly offensive, or b) Rich should be concerned about offending someone who would find it that way. I don't think the way the joke is delivered particularly overly hurts someone, since it's really more of a criticism of culture. And anyone who does feel that the comment was directed at them, well perhaps they need to examine some of their internal beliefs. Or at least realize the joke wasn't for them, it was for others to laugh along with.
Also, perhaps we could find a better example than Nazism? We're having a lovely discussion here and I would miss it if the mods blocked this thread after that, and I think repeatedly using that reference could drag this discussion on a dark path.
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2017-03-16, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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What's funny is that "all generalizations are bad" is in itself a generalization.
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2017-03-16, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why are you guys arguing about this? Nobody is getting credit for killing the entire Mechane crew anyway because they're not gonna be slaughtered! Either way, this felt like Dragonball Z a bit with the "I was holding back power all along!" way. I know there was a valid explanation, but still. That never needed to be announced that way, instead it could have been "Finally! A fight I can actually take credit for!" Or something along those lines. This could have been written better with the same takeaway.
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2017-03-16, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
Ronkong Coma "the way of the bookhunter" III Catacombium
(Walter Moers "Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher")
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2017-03-16, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nononono, you see, they aren't "offended". No, the problem is that "the writing is clunky", they claim. And when we point out that this accusation only comes up when it's a social issue, we are unfairly generalizing.
I provided four others, but have been quietly ignored.
A straight-up fight, sure. But I'm not sure the story will be resolved in a straight-up slugging match.
Agreed.
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2017-03-16, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's not really "sweeping the evil characters off the stage". Well, I mean, Xykon would die, possibly TDO and the other gods too, but remember one of the big recurring themes, here. Characters are undone by their own actions.
- Xykon played with a force obviously FAR above his weight class in order to play with world domination, plus his casual abuse of his underlings makes Redcloak's inevitable betrayal deliciously appropriate.
- TDO saw a godkilling abomination, created by divine struggles, and thought to himself "I will use the threat of this godkilling abomination to solve divine struggles in my favour." While his cause is noble to some degree, toying with universal obliteration was a real crappy way to go about it.
- The other gods? Well, aside from their squabbling creating the Snarl in the first place, and their refusal to help Goblinkind out is why TDO got pushed to this whole thing.
I don't think RC will die, by the way. At least not until the end-- Gobbotopia is probably going to be a breakfast burrito for the Snarl (because, really, building your utopia under THE largest Rift was definitely not going to backfire), and he'll have to live with his guilt, because, let's be blunt, the Snarl wouldn't have gotten loose without him. I could see him dying trying to right his wrongs in the climax, but not before then.
And really, the Snarl doesn't have to be a "villain". Being a violent Macguffin is enough when you're powerful enough. It'd be like a disaster movie, except the Snarl is... "alive"? At least moreso than, say, a twister or a massive flood.
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2017-03-16, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Which is the kind of semantics and details the act of generalization doesn't care one bit about, hence why it's generally a bad practice.
Thanks, that's the point I wanted to make by mirroring it. Generalizing often is disingenuous, and you now see how.
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2017-03-16, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ironically, as an English speaking American pretty well informed in politics, I whiffed on it completely. It actually left me somewhat confused until I googled the reference.
Which goes to show you that sometimes background just doesn't matter for idiomatic lines; sometimes they connect well (like for Dr.Zero) and sometimes they don't (like for me)
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2017-03-16, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know about the wider issue and it does sound like there is a problem. But I do think that the frost giants speech on this page seemed a bit random, mostly I think it is because the character is going into background and motivations where up into this point I wouldn't have expected her to receive much development. But looking back to she does play a somewhat prominent role being the more vocal of the two giants. And she does provide a good segue to Haley, Belkar and Varsuvius. Maybe its going somewhere maybe its not, but I don't think it is worth making a huge deal over.
Probably if anything it is more about the author giving a nod to Women's Week which is a pretty cool thing to do in my opinion.
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2017-03-16, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-16, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-16, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
Ronkong Coma "the way of the bookhunter" III Catacombium
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2017-03-16, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-16, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-03-16, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, but that's normal. It's a humorous webcomic. The only reason we know (just to pick two of many examples) that Therkla was salutatorian of a ninja school until she assassinated the valedictorian, or that Shojo fed Argent a twenty-pound tub of strawberry frosting, is that Rich had a character (metaphorically speaking) turn to the audience and make a joke in the middle of a scene (in the second case, in the middle of a battle, in a strip that didn't need to exist and was largely only justified by that joke). It's something he's done from the beginning.
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2017-03-16, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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A: "Violence is always bad."
B: "Well, not always. Sometimes you have to fight in self-defense or ..."
A: <punches B in the face>
A: "Do you see now!? Do you see why violence is always always always bad!!"
Of course, A didn't prove all cases of violence are always bad. He merely engaged in a nonsensical case of violence himself. Just as Ganbatte didn't disprove anyone, merely wrote some nonsensical stuff himself.
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2017-03-16, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's a private matter, best not discussed on this board. You may get into major trouble.
Going to mention a possibility: we can't rule out that MitD is an immature member of his species, and that when he matures he will be (A) more powerful than Xykon, if he isn't already and (B) irredeemably evil.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2017-03-16, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the creature in the darkness suddenly getting hit by "you mature and your alignment is changed irreversibly to your racial alignment" is far less likely than "the party is controlled by giant space cats and Xykon is actually from modern Earth."
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2017-03-16, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Given how you yourself admitted my generalization as being "disingenuous" I'd say I succeeded spectacularly enough - whether you want to admit it now or not.
As one last notice, I didn't use the words "often" and "generally" at random. Generalization is bad in itself? Yes. Can there be an exception one out of a million times? Sure, everything's possible.
Thanks for the debate, it was enjoyable.
Of course, "Violence is always bad" is a generalization, and as I said generalizations are bad stuff.
I find it humorous how in your attempt to mock me you made a perfectly self-defeating example that actually supports me.Last edited by Ganbatte; 2017-03-16 at 03:41 PM.
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2017-03-16, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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