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  1. 2018-07-12, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601) - Top - End - #151
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    Default Re: Why don't D&D devils, make deals with kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomandtish View Post
    From a legal perspective, they still are in some form. Otherwise corporal punishment wouldn't be legal. Parents can spank their kids (for example) precisely because of that. It's not worded specifically that way, but that's the underlying basis. (NOT saying I agree).
    Agree or not, it's almost the ONLY universally effective strategy. Humans are pretty stupid. You can tell them over and over "don't do it, you'll get burned" and until they get burned (or spanked) they will not learn their lesson.

    Corporal punishment is the single most effective method for preventing unwanted behaviors.
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    Default Re: Why don't D&D devils, make deals with kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calthropstu View Post
    Agree or not, it's almost the ONLY universally effective strategy. Humans are pretty stupid. You can tell them over and over "don't do it, you'll get burned" and until they get burned (or spanked) they will not learn their lesson.

    Corporal punishment is the single most effective method for preventing unwanted behaviors.
    note that spanking is not legal in a number of jurisdictions, and that the data on the efficacy and long term consequences of it show it has a lot of problems and isn't any more effective than other methods.
    but let's not get into it too much.
    wiki has articles on the topic, which note these points, and which link to the actual research.
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    Default Re: Why don't D&D devils, make deals with kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    wiki has articles on the topic, which note these points, and which link to the actual research.
    Some people won't believe the research until you spank it into them.
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    Default Re: Why don't D&D devils, make deals with kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by zlefin View Post
    note that spanking is not legal in a number of jurisdictions, and that the data on the efficacy and long term consequences of it show it has a lot of problems and isn't any more effective than other methods.
    but let's not get into it too much.
    wiki has articles on the topic, which note these points, and which link to the actual research.
    Hell, the data shows that causes long-term problems more often than it accomplishes anything.
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    Default Re: Why don't D&D devils, make deals with kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calthropstu View Post
    Agree or not, it's almost the ONLY universally effective strategy. Humans are pretty stupid. You can tell them over and over "don't do it, you'll get burned" and until they get burned (or spanked) they will not learn their lesson.
    Even with your analogy, it sounds like getting burned will learn them the lesson plenty well without needing any external punishment brought into it.
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