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2019-06-08, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-08, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
When the Thundershield family arrived in #1162, I was so happy. It was such an awesome sight to see this entire clan linked by goodwill and sacrifice arrive to back up Durkon and Sigdi.
However, I quickly realize that this was a battle against vampires backed by a goddess of death. There'd be casualties. So while I was happy, I was also apprehensive and sad for those who'd die in the struggle. It'd be like each and every time you see an innocent or a good person in the comic die. Or even not-so-good-but-not-hated characters die. I always found it shocking and terrible.
But then I remembered that dwarves in the OotS-verse want to die in battle and are happy for it to happen.
And now that this update has rolled in and such is demonstrated- while it's still awesome to see Durkon and Sigdi's family fighting side-by-side- not only is the sadness and apprehension gone, but I gotta agree with everyone who posted the following below:
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2019-06-08, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Art mistake maybe? Kandro got bit in the second panel of the second comic on his right arm, but I don't see the damage later on. Not that it matters to me but it has been important in the past.
Fantastic comic, love how the dwarfs talk about Kandro and how stoked they are that he died in battle. Death is a new adventure, celebrate it.
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2019-06-08, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
You can understand the inevitability/necessity of death, and still find the Dwarven arrangement terrible. And it's not particularly surprising his friends would react that way; they've all been raised/live in a culture that says it's not horrible. Yes, people should be able to ideally choose how they die, but don't try and turn this into something it's not supposed to be.
I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2019-06-08, 09:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-06-08, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-06-08, 10:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
He's a mortal. He's allowed to have flaws that stop him from being a perfect manifestation of Good.
"The Gods want to blow up the world for the good of everyone, you should stop struggling" makes it sound more fatalistic.
And I mean the Gods are right that blowing them up and sending their souls to the afterlives would probably be better for everyone involved than getting devoured by the Snarl. Except the Dwarves obviously, so he tries to fix that. So I could see where agreeing with them about the world's chances and rolling with it would be seen as rational, even the best choice available to them.
I mean WE Know they (collectively) are going to win and save the world because we were promised a happy ending, but everyone without a beyond the 4th wall narrative view might see success as horribly unlikely at best, dangerously, catastrophicly, capable of going wrong at worst.
But think of all the movement bonuses!!
Invisibility at Will is a fun power too..."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-06-08, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-08, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
They do not; the temporary hit points from energy drain against swallowed creatures is as close as they get.
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2019-06-09, 12:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, so the tongue is going to stay lopped off.
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2019-06-09, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 12:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-06-09, 03:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
The creature actually has to be inside the Nightcrawler's gizzard to suffer energy drain.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/n...m#nightcrawler
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2019-06-09, 04:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
To be honest, I think he's TN; he's just being judged at Celestia because he thinks he's LG. Don't think he's particularly farther away than that though; just because he doesn't really care about the dwarf situation too much doesn't mean he has no problem with it whatsoever. If he really didn't give a crap at all, he'd have said something like "Meh, can't help it", not "Hmm, okay good point.
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2019-06-09, 05:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
I’m guessing that it’s this sort of attitude that Hilgya finds so disturbing. Of course it seems normal to the dwarves, they grew up in it. And it’s just a curiosity to the humans/elves, but to Hilgya who grew up in it, and hates it, I guess I can see where she’s coming from.
And yes I apologize for turning this towards Hilgya/Miko
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2019-06-09, 05:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
The comic's failcrawler has basically nothing to do with D&D's nightcrawler:
-Pathetic low AC that even decrepyt old dwarves cannot miss while nightcrawler has a whooping 35 AC
-No DR to speak off since decrepyt old dwarves can easily hurt it wielding weapons with only one hand while nightcrawler has DR 15/silver and magic.
-Pathetic primary tongue grab attack when the proper nightcrawler's primary means of attack is grabbing things with its teeth while injecting poison plus a poisonous tail sting.
-Cannot summon any undead while the nightcrawler can get a variety of powerful undead up to dread wraiths that would make short work of pesky dwarven militia.
-Cannot make aoos while nightcrawler has 15 feet reach meaning you're taking free hits just closing in when you're dwarf sized.
-Cannot speak properly whitout a tongue when nightcrawler has telepathy meaning it can talk no matter how hurt it is.
So next comic it may start healing its wounds spontaneously or sprout flowers and arms and legs and a hat and start singing making everybody dance along, who knows. The srd d20 is sadly no help telling us what the comic's failcrawler can or cannot do.
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2019-06-09, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-06-09, 07:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Just gonna leave this here...
Originally Posted by SRDLast edited by Riftwolf; 2019-06-09 at 09:32 AM.
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2019-06-09, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Maybe the decrepit old dwarf is an experienced adventurer with the levels to hit AC 35.
Maybe the decrepit old dwarf has a magic/silver weapon.
As Riftwolf said, no poison on Nightcrawler bite.
It's currently daytime, therefore the Nightcrawler can't summon anything.
The bridge is pretty damn far from the platform, and it's only by extending his reach that the Nightcrawler can destroy it. And the people on the bridge can make withdraw actions not to pull AoOs.
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2019-06-09, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Without addressing any of the other points (which might be attributable to Rule of Cool), generally in 3.5 rules creatures who are themselves summoned can't use their own summoning powers, for reasons of game balance (infinite summoning chains are not fun for anyone but the summoners).
Sudden thought after watching an old "Lois and Clark" episode: Lane Davies aka Tempus is probably the best possible choice to portray an animated or live action Xykon if either of those ever becomes reality--he was born in 1950 and Tempus' personality is a close match for pre-lich Xykon IMO. Just my two cents.
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2019-06-09, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Not to bring up a thoroughly beaten dead horse, but that Harm spell that the Exarch just zapped Durkon with did a minimum of 55 HP to him even if he saved, and possibly more (5 x casting level to a max of 75 HP on a save, with the only limitation being that it can't reduce the target below 1 HP). Meaning that the damage on a save to Durkon would be more than the maximum average damage to Durkon from a certain CE evil tantrum thrower's Flame Strike on a *failed* save--and Durkon didn't look like someone with 1 HP left before the hammer did its healing thing, in spite of being a full level and likely 6-10 HP weaker than he was when hit with the Flame Strike. Just a reminder that he got a rather raw deal in that earlier incident all around.
Sudden thought after watching an old "Lois and Clark" episode: Lane Davies aka Tempus is probably the best possible choice to portray an animated or live action Xykon if either of those ever becomes reality--he was born in 1950 and Tempus' personality is a close match for pre-lich Xykon IMO. Just my two cents.
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2019-06-09, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
Just joining the thread to say I'm reminded of The Saga of Biorn. Which I'd post a Youtube link to if I had more than 4 posts on this forum.
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2019-06-09, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1166 - The Discussion Thread
I hope not.
Saving a woman's life does'nt make you more attractive to her. I know it'll disappoint all those boys who grew up with movies were saving the girl means you get to marry her, but that's just not how attraction works.
And I hope Sigdi is, by now, too old to let herself be guilted into marrying a man she isn't attracted to purely because she thinks she owes him her body in return for saving her life.
(I also don't think dwarves are so very grateful for being saved from death on the battlefield. At least older dwarves. As evidenced in this comic.)
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2019-06-09, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-09, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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