Arena Tournament, Round 29: Skrag vs Bob the Destroyer - Final Match

[Mavian]

@Refs

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It doesn't have training to say that though, it's simply an animal, with an intelligence of 3. It's been damaged, by the one that was riding it, not by the one who's standing in front of him. It's like smacking a dog, and then jumping off and expecting him to chase someone else.

[king korath]

I have a bad feeling when there is a ref debate going on . Just let me know when we will restart.

[Talic]

Nah, it's not gonna be a match restart, I'm pretty sure. Everything we've done so far is by the book, as far as I can tell. I think they're trying to head something off so it doesn't later become a rewind.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

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I was referring to combat riding. I guess it all depends on what that entails. I could see it either way.

I think I'm all debated out on this subject. There's not much else I have to offer in the way of opinions. Good luck.

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

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I do not get what the debate here is about. RAW: If a dire badger takes damage, then it rages until the end of combat. RAW: Pushing a mount causes damage. Therefore, RAW: The Badger is raging.

Not RAW: Raging badgers attack indiscrimiately or attack the nearest creature. Nowhere in the Dire Badger's Rage entry does it say anything about the badger's behavior changing. A Raging Badger is even less mentaly handicapped than a Raging Barbarian.

The Badger continues to act as it's training dicatates.

Unless another ref has something else, I think this match can resume.

[Talic]

Yay! Round 2! (barring further ref discussion)

Skrag, Round 2, part 2

My actions:

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Free: Drop Vial
Double Move: From Y1 to Y6 (on top of building, 20 feet up)
Hide: (1d20+10)[21]
MS: (1d20+10)[27]
(factored in penalty for movement over 1/2, did not factor in distance penalties)

Badger: Rages. Charges south from Z1 to Z7, and attacks.
Attack: (1d20+8)[24]
Damage: (1d4+4)[8]
If Threat: (1d20+8)[12]
If Crit: [roll] 1d4+4[/roll]

Edit: Hit, no threat, so broken roll doesn't matter.
Edit: Done.

Stats:

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Skrag: Location Y6, Hiding (Hide: 21, MS: 27)
HP: 8/8
AC: 18 (+5 dex, +2 armor, +1 Size)
In hand: Crossbow.
Effects: Spider Climb 2/300

Badgera:
Location: Z7
HP: 31/32
AC: 16 (+3 Dex, +3 Natural, +4 Armor, -2 Charge, -2 Rage
Status effects: Rage */*

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

I'm not certain it's required, but could you make a handle animal check to direct the badger? If you fail, we refs will hash out whether you needed it.

[Talic]

Already asked in PM with both Kyeudo and Mavian for this point. The rage description (as follows:

A dire badger that takes damage in combat flies into a berserk rage on its next turn, clawing and biting madly until either it or its opponent is dead. It gains +4 Strength, +4 Constitution, and -2 AC. The creature cannot end its rage voluntarily.

That clawing and biting line can be considered enough to set the default to "attack", rather than "avoid combat".

Still, if that is overturned:

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Handle Animal:(1d20-3)[5]

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

I guess my question would be, why is Bob the badger's opponent? Skrag is the one that injured him. Now I'm noticing that with no ranks in Handle Animal, Skrag can't really make the badger do anything. But if Kyuedo and Mavian are handling it, I'll butt out.

[Talic]

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Valid question, and I'll answer, but I REALLY think that this match has been on hold long enough. The badger isn't even really a necessary part of my strategy. I should be able to pepper the guy from the roof with crossbow bolts relatively easily. If I get any more "match holds", and they're related to this, I'll happily state that the mount has gone completely retarded and will choose to stand unmoving, for the remainder of the match, a complete waste of the gold that was spent for it.

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Simple. Counting this match, that badger has fought 3 times in the arena. All 3, Bob was my opponent. In the first, he cleft that badger nearly in twain with a large 2 handed weapon. The same large 2 handed weapon he charged across the arena with in the first round of this combat, actually. I think that establishes a solid case for a "threatening action".

In addition, nowhere in the rules does the Push mount ability change the attitude of your mount. It's not a commonly used ability, but I don't think the intent of the ability is, "+10 feet movement, 1 damage, and your mount hates you." It doesn't change your mount from friendly to indifferent, or indifferent to hostile. The mount takes one damage because it overexerts itself. That's why the damage doubles each round, if you keep doing it. It's nothing I'm doing, other than urging it to greater speed.

[Maurkov]

Ref Maurkov

But if Kyuedo and Mavian are handling it, I'll butt out.

This is me not putting the match on hold.

[king korath]

Is it my turn, with me taking 8 damage or is something else happening?

[Talic]

yes, your go. have at it.

[king korath]

OK I attack the badger.
attack (1d20+8)[25]
damage (3d6+12)[27]
end turn
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ac15
hp9
rage round 3/12

[Talic]

Ouch! That's a hit. Badger's down to 4hp remaining.

Skrag, Round 3

Badger: Full attack back:

Claw: (1d20+6)[26]
Damage: (1d4+4)[6]
If threat: (1d20+6)[8]
If Crit: (1d4+4)[7]

Claw: (1d20+6)[26]
Damage: (1d4+4)[6]
If threat: (1d20+6)[19]
If Crit: (1d4+4)[6]

Bite: (1d20+1)[4]
Damage: (1d6+2)[4]
If threat: (1d20+1)[13]
If Crit: (1d6+2)[3]

My action: (assuming you haven't seen me yet) (Standard action, Attack)
Attack: (1d20+9)[23]
Damage: (1d8+1)[6]
Sneak Damage: (1d6)[2]
If threat: (1d20+9)[25]
If Crit: (1d8+1)[4]

Attack bonus includes the following modifiers: +5 (dex) +1 (size) +1 (point blank) +2 (unseen).

Following the attack, you see me in Y6, atop the building. I then draw a vial (move action), and disappear from view.

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5 foot step to X5

End turn.

Edit: I believe that's 26 damage this round. And yes, if the badger attacks drop him, I still fire. I follow the evil overlord's guide.

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Skrag: Location X5
HP: 8/8
AC: 18 (+5 dex, +2 armor, +1 Size)
In hand: Crossbow.
Effects: Spider Climb 3/300

Badgera:
Location: Z7
HP: 4/32
AC: 16 (+3 Dex, +3 Natural, +4 Armor, -2 Charge, -2 Rage)
Status effects: Rage */*

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

Skrag is the winner!

He is then eaten by a badger for causing so much trouble.

[king korath]

Even though your badger ripped me to shreds, I still have my petty revenge, it by order of our overlords got you too . Good game.

[Talic]

You too. You were a worthy opponent, and I learned a big lesson from you in round 2. :)