Arena Tournament, Round 75: Abogralia and Golem vs. Dahlia and Dormin Falath

[Scorer]

I think/hope that hits... If it does, it also does 1 fire splash damage to both Dahlia and Golem (Sorry Random)

[hustlertwo]

SRD doesn't have anything that says nonlethal damage is exempt from damage reduction. So unless those arrows have explicitly listed DR-avoiding properties, it'd be 2 off from each shot.

[Scorer]

That would mean he's got 13/15hp plus 9 nonlethal damage

If so, I beleive it is Golem's Turn... at last!

[Eurus]

SRD doesn't have anything that says nonlethal damage is exempt from damage reduction. So unless those arrows have explicitly listed DR-avoiding properties, it'd be 2 off from each shot.

Arrow of Dusk is a spell (well, mystery, technically), so doesn't it bypass DR as long as it doesn't explicitly not bypass DR?

[Scorer]

Arrow of Dusk is a spell (well, mystery, technically), so doesn't it bypass DR as long as it doesn't explicitly not bypass DR?

Is it an energy attack? cause if it is, then it is said in SRD

Spells, spell-like abilities, and energy attacks (even nonmagical fire) ignore damage reduction.

EDIT: And did the Alchemist hit you?

[Eurus]

Is it an energy attack? cause if it is, then it is said in SRD



EDIT: And did the Alchemist hit you?

Counting the +4 vs. ranged attacks from being prone, it missed.

Also, no, it's not an energy attack. And technically, it's a supernatural ability rather than a spell.

[hustlertwo]

I have no clue what a mystery is, but it does kinda sound like it would bypass, if it's not a physical attack. If that ends up determining the outcome of the match, I guess we'll need someone with the book that contains them to step forward and clarify.

[Scorer]

So it is his turn, and he's alive. And it did hit you, you stated that you standed up so no +4 from prone

[Eurus]

Oh yeah, heh. Bad move on my part. So, ouch.

I have no clue what a mystery is, but it does kinda sound like it would bypass, if it's not a physical attack. If that ends up determining the outcome of the match, I guess we'll need someone with the book that contains them to step forward and clarify.

Basically, a mystery is like an arcane spell (it's what Shadowcasters use). Except when they get to a high enough level, their low-level mysteries become spell-like abilities. And then when they get to an even higher level, their spell-like mysteries become supernatural.

Arrow of Dusk is technically a fundamental mystery (sort of like a cantrip), which means that it starts out supernatural rather than as a spell. And, annoyingly, the quoted section of the SRD makes no provisions for supernatural abilities, despite it completely not making sense that they wouldn't ignore DR (since that would mean that a 1st-level mystery by a 1st-level shadowcaster would ignore DR, but that exact same mystery used by a 13th level shadowcaster would not ignore DR).

Buuut, I suppose sense has no place in the arena... The entry for DR does say that it doesn't negate touch attacks, I don't suppose that also applies to rays, does it?

[Scorer]

Basically, a mystery is like an arcane spell (it's what Shadowcasters use). Except when they get to a high enough level, their low-level mysteries become spell-like abilities. And then when they get to an even higher level, their spell-like mysteries become supernatural.

Arrow of Dusk is technically a fundamental mystery (sort of like a cantrip), which means that it starts out supernatural rather than as a spell. And, annoyingly, the quoted section of the SRD makes no provisions for supernatural abilities, despite it completely not making sense that they wouldn't ignore DR (since that would mean that a 1st-level mystery by a 1st-level shadowcaster would ignore DR, but that exact same mystery used by a 13th level shadowcaster would not ignore DR).

I don't know about you guys, but I think this deserves the waiting room and maybe even a "Kyeudo Call"

[Eurus]

Works for me.

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo

The creature takes normal damage from energy attacks (even nonmagical ones), spells, spell-like abilities, and supernatural abilities.

Arrow of Dusk gets through Damage Reduction just fine. Carry on.

[Eurus]

Well that's convenient. So it's my turn, and I'm hurt. As in possibly dying next turn no matter what I do hurt.

So. Going to drop prone again and spend a full round action rolling to give me a DC 15 reflex save to negate the secondary damage.

(1d20+6)[19]

[Eurus]

Cool, made it. Alright, Dormin ends his 12th turn.

Stats:

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Law Devotion bonus assigned to AC. I think this is the last turn it's got left.

Location: Y-1, prone and stuck.
HP: 9/9
AC: 21 (+2 dex, +3 armor, +3 shield, +1 size, -1 flaw, +3 sacred), touch 12, flat-footed 16. +4 against ranged attacks.
Active effects: Steel Shadows (90/100 rounds), Law Devotion (1/10 rounds), Tanglefoot Bag (5/7 rounds)
Arrows of Dusk remaining: 3

[RandomAction]

Wow, everything has happened so fast. I am lost now. Is Golem up, down or still out cold?
I believe there was a mention about a fort save, here it is: (1d20+6)[12]

[Eurus]

From what I gather, Golem was beaten into unconsciousness with nonlethal damage by the time the stun wore off. The save is unnecessary, I wasn't able to coup de grace in time.

[Scorer]

Being glued to the floor allows you to Roll? hehehehe I will take you out anyway...

Abogralia 13th Turn

Free: Reload Crossbow
Standard: Attack Dormin

Attack
(1d20+6)[10]
Damage
(1d6)[5]
If Crit
(1d20+6)[16]
Additional Damage
(1d6)[5]

Free: Grab Crossbow with one hand
Move: Draw yet another Alchemist Fire

End of Turn

STATS

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Abogralia started @ Y2 On top of building prone
Abogralia ended @ Y2 On top of building prone
HP 8/8
AC 19 23vs ranged (10 +1 Size, +5 Dex, +3 Armor) T 16 FF 14
0 MW bolts left
78 common bolts left

Hand 1 Wielding: Alchemist Fire
Hand 2 Wielding: Crossbow

One Tanglefoot Bag used
Two Alchemist Fire Used
One Potion CLW Drinked

[Eurus]

Miss.

Now, let's hope I roll well. Actually, I may as well not waste my Arrows of Dusk, since my chances of hitting are about the same with both...

Dormin, Round 13

Shoots with his crossbow, and reloads.

Attack - (1d20+1)[16]
Damage - (1d6)[5]

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Law Devotion ends.

Location: Y-1, prone and stuck.
HP: 9/9
AC: 18 (+2 dex, +3 armor, +3 shield, +1 size, -1 flaw), touch 12, flat-footed 16. +4 against ranged attacks.
Active effects: Steel Shadows (89/100 rounds), Tanglefoot Bag (4/7 rounds)
Arrows of Dusk remaining: 3

[Eurus]

Drat. Well, end turn, I suppose.

[Scorer]

Abogralia 14th Turn

Move: Stand up
Standard: Guess? Throw Alchemist Fire at you!

Attack
(1d20+7)[16]
Damage
(1d6)[3]
If Crit
(1d20+7)[10]
Additional Damage
(1d6)[2]

Free: Drop Prone

End of Turn

STATS

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Abogralia started @ Y2 On top of building prone
Abogralia ended @ Y2 On top of building prone
HP 8/8
AC 19 23vs ranged (10 +1 Size, +5 Dex, +3 Armor) T 16 FF 14
0 MW bolts left
79 common bolts left

Hand 1 Wielding: Nothing
Hand 2 Wielding: Crossbow

One Tanglefoot Bag used
Three Alchemist Fire Used (all used up)
One Potion CLW Drinked

[Eurus]

Arg. You hit, and I am dropped to exactly zero. I don't have any healing, either. So at this point, I'll issue my surrender.

[Scorer]

Told you not to underestimate the little jumping-throwing flea!

[Sallera]

High Ref Sallera

After much tossing of various objects, Abogralia and Golem emerge victorious.