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Because she lacks big boobs? Lying on the back while being near starved will do that to practically any woman.
The thing is, there are three Eyemancers. You can look at them here or here. Purple, Grey, and Orange. On these strips, Grey is clearly a woman, while Orange and Purple are ambiguous -- the hooded robes conceal most of their shape.
Purple is the Foolamancer, we all saw this confirmed beyond doubt by the last few strips. That's no woman for sure. The three strips where we got a clear view of Misty showed her as not that much endowed, and her robe color, although desaturated by the dim light, appears more orange than grey.
So in short, you have the debate from "Misty's Cup Size" thread.
My opinion is that it wouldn't make much sense for Parson to be so affected by the death of the Thinkamancer since he never got to know her (or him if you want); so that it's Misty that got croaked is more logical. Especially given the foreshadowing from Wanda and Sizemore did.Hark! An avatar drawn by Kate Beaton!
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My current belief that Misty is the downed Eyemancer: 70%
On a reexamination, I can note some differences from Misty's appearance, and the downed Eyemancer's:
- The hair of the downed Eyemancer appears to be pink, Misty's appears to be grey or an off-white.
- The downed Eyemancer's skin appears to be a pale blue. Misty's appears to be just pale: Conan O'Brian pale.
- I have to bring this one up. No breasts: enough said. Misty's are about the same size as Wanda's; a fair bit smaller, but they are somewhat similar in size. Even on the back, with the chest propped up like it is, you would see at least some hint of thier precence; and on top of that, the fold lines on the downed's robes actualy seem to imply the lack of breasts as opposed to thier presance.
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Well, I'm guessing that wanda won't be adding much to the mental mix at the moment, which leaves Sizemore and an unknown. You are right though, they are likely to start with something in one of their specialties.
Honestly, yes. He will hate himself for doing it, but all of their boops are on the line.
Unclear. I expect it would actually go to Sizemore, as he is the next highest-ranked member of Stanley's tribe. Not to mention rags-to-riches themes/tropes.
Because it is more dramatic if it is Misty. Also, Parson's reaction is way too personal for it to be someone he doesn't know. as others have said, this is where the war finally hits Parson where it hurts.
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I always hate taking posts apart one by one, but that seems to be the way things are done around here. So here we go.
1. A Thinkamancer. Thinkamancers presumably can provide instructions to units at range. Misty was probably more valuable, tactically, but this still shouldn't be overlooked.
2. Defenses. Even with everything gone to boop, the castle is still standing, and still one of the toughest places around. Ansom is still down heavily in turms of his siege.
3. Wanda. Assuming he can talk her out of her funk, Wanda is probably worth more than every other caster in the game put together. It's been stated again and again that she has overwhelming magical talent and extensive knowledge that she never puts to use. If Parson could convince her to use that somehow, she could make a significant difference. She could act as a Lookamancer for scouting, a Foolamancer for veiling, a... well, we don't actually know what the other 'mancers do. But she can do all of it. She just hasn't, until now.
Meh... Maybe size really DOES matter!
4. A summoning spell. It's not compeletely clear it works like this (it could be one-shot, I guess), but in theory, Parson could just convince Wanda to use the summoning spell again and summon up more warlords. This is tricky, since it seems like it takes a lot out of her, and they don't have much time... but warlords are valuable (upgrading units to them takes "mucho shmuckero"). Pulling a hand of the best warlords and military geniuses in the universe out of thin air could turn anything around.
But that argument has already been totally disproved by the story as written. Parson WAS a tactical genious, too bad the writers totally blew past him to move the plot along.
That Parson, a tactical genius and game designer would park his most valuable asset where Jillian, a known enemy commander, would "stumble over" them, shows that the authors just don't care. Any hex based/turn based strategy gamer KNOWS to count hexes, and put valuable assets out of range, or put them behind other assets that can cause damage, and "force" the enemy to move through those hexes to get to your units. Leaving the dwagons over the lake was only a good idea if there was little to no chance of Jillian finding them. The "She looked over here, then ran straight there, and got lucky" argument just doesn't hold water to me.
5. Ansom is off-balance. He doesn't know what to expect; things have been going the way he never would have expected them to, and he nearly got croaked last turn. He's also in love, which only makes you more powerful in the movies. Any of this could easily lead him to make a mistake.
6. Ansom is still poorly-informed. He doesn't know where Stanley actually is, he doesn't know where the dwagons actually are, he thinks that any of it could be veiled anywhere, and he's just seen Stanley's side use strategies he never would have expected. If Parson summons up a bunch of warlords, or convinces Wanda to bring out magic she hasn't used in combat before, or whatever, Ansom won't know about it until it hits him. He could make the mistake of being too careful, too, instead of too rash; after this near-disaster for his side, he could easily see veiled dwagons and deadly traps around every corner. After that last episode, when he comes up and sees an empty capital with no dwagons... he's going to think it's a trap. Which works to Parson's advantage, slightly, since it isn't.
Ansom's uprightness is his disadvantage here. No matter how evil he thinks Stanley is, he probably wouldn't be able to imagine anyone doing what Stanley just did, so he won't be able to take advantage of the situation as well as he could have.
7. If it does come out that Stanley is gone, Ansom's alliance could be in trouble. They signed on to get Stanley, not to capture a leaderless (but still nastily defended) capital for Jetstone; a lot of his allies would probably decide to go their seperate ways at that point. There would be a loss of purpose and intra-alliance disagreements among Ansom's side in general. Remember how many casualties were predicted in Ansom's charge? He planned to use all the Marbits as a feint. They might object to going through with that if all it accomplishes is winning Jetstone a city... All of this works to Parson's advantage.Last edited by Surfing HalfOrc; 2007-10-26 at 08:56 AM. Reason: grammatcial errors
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Didn't make sense to me. All over the place.
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Next episode: Parson links Wanda and Sizemore through the thinkamancer! Just when you thought everything in Parson's life was turning to s___, well, you were right!
Honestly, I cannot see this. Wanda uncroaks formerly living things, and Sizemore animates things which were never really alive. They both do the same thing to different classes of objects. It makes about as much sense as a brain surgeon and a proctologist looking for synergy.Illimir orc monk avatar by yours, truly. He seems to be looking for his cigarettes.
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The advantage of a thinkamancer over a hat is that only one person (so by extension, one hex) can receive orders from the hat. The thinkamancer can (apparently) message anyone. Also, with the odd flow of time in Erfworld, 'one at a time' doesn't really matter.
Well, the idea that Parson could have possibly put the A-dwagons anywhere better doesn't hold water to me. We know it is possible for someone to accidentally stumble on something, it happens all the time, whether or not you feel that is the case here. I have (in a previous thread) shown that Parson could not know which way Jillian was going to move. So now tell me, where should Parson have put the A-dwagons?
Furthermore, as I have also said in a previous thread, The only logical conclusion I can think of is that Parson was planning on sacrificing the A-dwagons to get to Ansom and/or the siege. By moving them to the lake hex, he gave them a chance at survival.
Parson's comment that they 'can change the course of the whole battle' is intrinsically linked to the very next thing he says, 'for almost no cost!'. Before his realization, he was anticipating losing some forces, which had something to do with Ansom knowing where they were... the B-dwags have not moved (as per the 7 hexes of forest refered to in the Klog) So he has to be referring to the A-dwagons. The ring fort, as stated earlier, is to draw the coalition air forces, keeping them from rejoining the column. Ansom is then given a choice: protect the siege, or himself and the air forces. In chess, that is called a fork. You make your opponent choose which of two pieces you are going to capture.
Drawing the air forces allows for either a strike against Ansom or the remaining siege. Personally, I think it is tactically brilliant. Poor tacticians often make the mistake of not being willing to sacrifice your best units if it means you can win.
I have yet to see how Parson's plan has failed, other than being interrupted by the Tactical moron that is His Toolship.
For that matter, Stanley may be about to go do what Parson would have had the dwagons do anyway. Only now, they have Stanley's bonuses, a foolamancer, and 3 KISS to add to the firepower.
What makes you think that that the authors bailed him out? are you sure they didn't just put him in a situation that leads to a more dramatic death?
If they have a choice between taking out Stanley or taking out GK, they would probably choose Stanley.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but...
Misty's eyes aren't X'd out...yet. Could she actually still be alive, but barely?
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The Hat is a telegram system. The Thinkamancer (if they actually work that way) is a telephone system. The Table was an All-On Tactical Network. I was thinking of adding that, but you beat me to the punch. Still, the story has been advanced on the basis of Ansom's poor communications and intel net. If we're gonna pretend it's not really a problem, then why bring it up in the first place?
Well, the idea that Parson could have possibly put the A-dwagons anywhere better doesn't hold water to me. We know it is possible for someone to accidentally stumble on something, it happens all the time, whether or not you feel that is the case here. I have (in a previous thread) shown that Parson could not know which way Jillian was going to move. So now tell me, where should Parson have put the A-dwagons?
Furthermore, as I have also said in a previous thread, The only logical conclusion I can think of is that Parson was planning on sacrificing the A-dwagons to get to Ansom and/or the siege. By moving them to the lake hex, he gave them a chance at survival.
Parson's comment that they 'can change the course of the whole battle' is intrinsically linked to the very next thing he says, 'for almost no cost!'. Before his realization, he was anticipating losing some forces, which had something to do with Ansom knowing where they were... the B-dwags have not moved (as per the 7 hexes of forest refered to in the Klog) So he has to be referring to the A-dwagons. The ring fort, as stated earlier, is to draw the coalition air forces, keeping them from rejoining the column. Ansom is then given a choice: protect the siege, or himself and the air forces. In chess, that is called a fork. You make your opponent choose which of two pieces you are going to capture.
Drawing the air forces allows for either a strike against Ansom or the remaining siege. Personally, I think it is tactically brilliant. Poor tacticians often make the mistake of not being willing to sacrifice your best units if it means you can win.
I have yet to see how Parson's plan has failed, other than being interrupted by the Tactical moron that is His Toolship.
For that matter, Stanley may be about to go do what Parson would have had the dwagons do anyway. Only now, they have Stanley's bonuses, a foolamancer, and 3 KISS to add to the firepower.
3 Warlords
1 Arkhamtool
3 Heavy Duty Contractors.
Woodsy Elves
Gumps
and they took out
3 uncroaked Warlords
3 unwounded B-dwagons
19 wounded a-dwagons
With the loss of 8 Woodsy elves, and 2-3 gwiffins
Now the battle will be between
3 Warlord-Lite?/Hobgobwin elite troops
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20 B-dwagons.
And since Stanley will run out of move before he gets to Ansom's position, Ansom will be back to full strength.
What makes you think that that the authors bailed him out? are you sure they didn't just put him in a situation that leads to a more dramatic death?
Ansom's death after this point is totally pointless. It's like watching Jaws 3 or 4. You get interested in one character, and the shark eats the person NEXT to them. In the end of the movie, the shark spit out (alive!) the only character I was interested in AFTER eating them!
If they have a choice between taking out Stanley or taking out GK, they would probably choose Stanley.
Again if you can't find Stanley, do you really want to leave him with a safe refuge to return to?Last edited by Surfing HalfOrc; 2007-10-26 at 11:17 AM.
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Do human and humanoid units get X'ed eyes in Erfworld? I think that that might just be for cartoonish things like dwagons.
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It's not really an argument - for me anyhow, it was just pointing out a funny part of memory. Like it says in Older Than They Think, though art builds upon itself, younger & newer consumers are often ignorant of the true origins of a particular Trope. It becomes even funnier when the artists themselves don't know the original origin - the Pieta Plagiarism article mentions, most modern depictions of this pose (not even invented by Michaelangelo BTW, but best executed) are inspired by classic comic book depictions of this.
So, the comment wasn't against you specifically, but merely pointing out an amusing aspect of media literacy, which you had revealed.
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Could you explain how Parson could possibly know that Ansom wouldn't use them, please? Or why it would be a better idea to risk leaving the dwagons in the forest if Parson couldn't know?
Exactly. Heck, I have trouble thinking they would leave Parson and company alone even if they did find Stanley. If GK is the defensive bastion it's supposed to be, someone will be itching to take it over. And they'll want to bring their own management. Which leaves those associated with Stanley's command out to dry, at the very least.
Even if they get to GK and somehow discover for certain that Stanley is out and about somewhere...GK's at the top of a winding mountain path. It makes little sense to try to catch up to him with ground forces. Most likely flying units will head out to find Stanley, and the ground forces will "set up shop" in GK.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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For that to work, he had to be confident that Ansom would find the Donut before he found any of the A dwagons. There are two ways to achieve that outcome (assuming that your opponent is smart enough to run a reasonably efficient search pattern):
1. Put the A dwagons a great distance away from the column. Not an option; they used up most of their move getting there and then moving from target to target. The amount of move required for the former is absolutely dictated by circumstances; the amount of move required for the latter is almost as firmly dictated by the need to finish off Ansom's siege train before the window of opportunity closes.
2. Put the A dwagons in a position that has the Donut squarely between them and the column -- which is precisely what Parson did. The fact that there just happened to be a lake in this narrow corridor is obviously a sign that the Titans really do like His Toolishness.
Again, it doesn't matter where Parson puts the A-dwagons, as long as Ansom THINKS they are being protected by the B's. That was Part 1.
Part 2 would be to protect them from Jillian. Since Parson didn't trust Wanda's spell, he would have taken more precautions. He didn't. And I wave the bullcrap flag.
Or do you really think the B's were within round-trip range? Because if the B's were, then the A's certianly were. So why leave units out in the field, when it's safer to bring them home?
Parson was willing to sacrifice the A's if he HAD to, but he was working to prevent that. Otherwise he would have sent out Ensign Toast and Archduke Ferdnand as well on the B's to hit more Siege engines. Or at least one more Warlord on the B's, while keeping a reserve of B's and maybe even an A or two with his final Warlord for air cover over the Knob.
It "Failed" when Jillian rolled onto the scene and said, "Oh Hai! I just PWNZORed your dwagosn! You are Teh SUCK!!! NOOB!!!1111oneoneone!!!" That was my entire "Strategery vs. Dumb Luck" thread. Parson would not have left the A-dwagons with thier asses hanging out knowing Jillian could "stumble across" them while either searching the "Most Likely" area, or running to Ansom's rescue.
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Parson should know a bit more about unit ranges after a night of studying, and the units Ansom most likely has at his disposal. Games with Flying Units tend to have relativly low movement rates for Ground units. Parson knows or should know that Ansom is probably going to use 22 move/search bats over say 5-7 move/search woodsy elves or 3-5 move/search gumps. And Parson was right, Ansom went straight to the bats. Even with where the dwagons were parked, ground units probably would not have found them, leaving only Jillian and dumb luck.
When the boardgame comes out, I bet the "Dumb Luck" card sells on eBay for 10X the cost of the game, at a MINIMUM!
Exactly. Heck, I have trouble thinking they would leave Parson and company alone even if they did find Stanley. If GK is the defensive bastion it's supposed to be, someone will be itching to take it over. And they'll want to bring their own management. Which leaves those associated with Stanley's command out to dry, at the very least.
Even if they get to GK and somehow discover for certain that Stanley is out and about somewhere...GK's at the top of a winding mountain path. It makes little sense to try to catch up to him with ground forces. Most likely flying units will head out to find Stanley, and the ground forces will "set up shop" in GK.
This vs. Ansom's 60% remaining siege engines and battle bears, whatever air-force he can muster, Jillian and the remaining orlys and Top Gwiffins (sort of implies there are "standard" gwiffins, kind of like the B-dwagons) and 4X as many as he needs ground troops of whatever.
More "Tacticians" are not what is needed now (regardless of the "Ender's Game" hint). The ability to take the fight to Ansom is, and Stanley just flew off with that. And if Parson gets an F-22 Raptor with a pilot and full armaments in his next Stupid Meal? I'm gone. You won't have to listen to my carping any more.Last edited by Surfing HalfOrc; 2007-10-26 at 01:26 PM.
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I think you are overstating the "failure" of Parson's plan. He had two objectives and would have been happy to achieve either one. Croak the Siege or croak the leadership. And I think he was about to achieve the 2nd when Stanley flipped out. He wasn't surprised that the A's got wiped, he was surprised at the ease with which the Coalition did it. He already had his next move planned, Stanley just pulled rank.
There really was no place better to hide the Dwagons and he was acting under Wanda's insistence that Jillian was not a threat. His plan worked, until the Tool stepped in. Hopefully, Stanley is about to go Sauron on Ansom and then Parson's original plan will be successfully completed.
Just because you wouldn't have been willing to sacrifice all the dwagons to take out Ansom doesn't mean Parson wasn't.'Old fool!' he said. 'Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.
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1) I didn't bring it up... I was responding to someone else's comment.
2) Ansom still had a disadvantage in that he had to spend a unit's move in order to give orders, other than to the one hex with the hat. This is now somewhat mitigated by the Archons, but now instead of spending a unit's move, he has to spend schmuckers.
And how exactly was Parson supposed to know her "most likely Approach Corridor"? I refer you to the post I linked in my previous post. There are three equally possible paths done up in ascii-map form there. Only one of the three intersects with the A-dwagons. The only way to remove the A-dwagons from her various likely approach vectors would have been to puthem between the fort and the column, at which point the bats probably would have found them. So which is better? a large chance of them being discovered which would ruin the plan, or a small chance of them being discovered in such a way that would NOT ruin the plan?
To summarize what I said above, it doesn't make sense to risk part 1 when trying to achieve part 2. Parson did what he could to protect them without risking the plan. The plan comes first. In Ansom's words, "If the plan does not plan for problems outside the plan, then it isn't a plan at all."
See my analysis from a previous thread.(just the first part).
If he had put a warlord in with the Bs, the bat would have seen it, and that would have raised a red flag. That and it would be unwise to risk ALL of the uncroaked at once.
I actually have a sneaking suspicion that they are involved in another task, possibly in the tunnels. (Like maybe leading a force of gobwins that are tunneling under the road to GK so that it will collapse under the column?)
Hmm, I think I missed that bit of dialogue.
Make up your mind: either you agree with me that the A-dwagons were expendable bait or their survival was an intrinsic part of the plan. It can't be both ways. (you can be undecided, but you can't say it's both.)
Yes, why would the authors want to increase the dramatic tension?
Having never seen those movies, I can't comment on them. However, I don't think Ansom dieing could ever be pointless. Unless, you know, it happens as an epilogue when he's old and grey... if erflings even age...
You are right. However, I think we've been making a key mistake. Does GK actually need to remain 'intact' for Parson to 'win'? I think his end-game criteria are starting to shift. So long as Parson and his friends survive, do you really think he will care whether or not GK falls?
Note: I have not responded to every piece of your post. The things I have not responded to are things that I agree with, already sais something about in this post, or are irrelevant. This is to make this post a little shorter.
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When we haggled this out on the other threads, neither of us convinced the other. But that's life. You agree to disagree, and move on.
But your argument, presented logically, spurred me on to look at things from your point of view. So I dug into my gaming closet, and fished out some of my old Metagaming Microgames, and laid out approximatly the scenario of where Ansom's column was, where the Donut of Doom was in relationship, and then the A-dwagon stack. Then I looked at all the "Most Likely" location for Gobwin Knob based on Parson's "at home" game map, and Wanda's flight path with Manpower the Temporary. Essentially, I assumed that Ansom was to the east, GK was to the west, and the troops were marching approximatly east to west.
Parson sent the dwagons east to sow hate and discontent BEFORE Jillian "made her daring escape." So now Jillian really doesn't have any idea which way Parson sent the dwagons, other than east. But which east? Northeast (above the column?) Southeast? (Below the column) or Due East? (In front of the column) Parson chose SE mostly because of the lake.
So far, so good.
Jillian meets up with Webinar, Dora and the Archons, who have also NOT seen the dwagons. Meanwhile, due to the magic of "Black Sheep Wall/I See Dead People," Parson knows where all the enemy units are, especially long range units. The archons "Popping onto" his map when Ansom decided to hire them should have raised a serious red flag for Parson.
But basically since Wanda dropped Jillian off with a loving "goodbye kiss," Parson knows where Jillian entered the game, and that Jillian MOST LIKELY was still west of Ansom's position. He also knows where Webby is, and should assume that Jillian will be rendevouing (sp?) with "her side" as quickly as possible, Parson should also know that Jillian will be heading for Webinar.
Beginning the search, then changing it to "stumble across" the dwagons would take Jillian FAR south of any reasonable search pattern. Staging the wounded A's one to three hexes EAST of the lake would still be reasonably within range to sow more hate and discontent, while keeping them away from the every lovely and uber-deadly Jillian. And away from any nosy ground troops wandering through the woods.
I'm not just depending on trying to visualize the game board, I made my level best effort to game it out. With a board and pieces. (Sure, they were space ships and ground crawlers and jump units from Black Hole, but the theory is still the same.) And there is no position Jillian reasonably could have either started out, or switched to, to hit the A-dwagon stack. Unless GK is due SOUTH of Ansom's position.
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personally, I think that at the cost of a few points of movement Parson should have concentrated all Dwagons over the lake hex. While it would have meant they wouldn't be able to kill as much, they would be guaranteed that what happened didn't. Ansom would not have had enough air power to assault all those dwagons cause the unwounded would take point and they would have to wound all the healthy ones before fighting wounded ones...They might have been able to kill a few, but not without a suicide run by their entire leadership core...not against healthy dwagon stacks...especialy if they were unable to bring any ground support and were forced into an arial battle over water.
But that is past...the Titans (read: authors) have a plan...that plan is not known by us or by the players in their creation...we can only guess at the plan...it determines who lives and dies...what strategies will be effective and which are doomed to failure...no amount of arguing one way or the other will change that.
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Perhaps Ansom was further back (east) in the column than the siege and hiding the dwagons on that side of the ring risked discovery by Ansom and Vinny on their route to the ring. Ansom's group seems to be the more powerful of the two groups (even considering the Archons)
Also, we have to remember Parson is acting under the assumption (maybe not 100%) that Wanda can keep Jillian in check.'Old fool!' he said. 'Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!' And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.
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Re: Erfworld 83, Page 77
But he's still outnumbered by more than 25 to 1. men, gobwins, hobgobwins, skellys, twolls, spidews, whatever. For every living or otherwise body he can put on the field, Ansom can put twenty-five!
So no matter how many troops Parson fields, Ansom has a serious numerical superiority. And the Siege engines. And the Battle Bears. And Flying units such as the orlys, bats, and gwiffins, which may be firter subdivided. Jillian is a "Top Gwiffin" pilot. Which implies that there are other, lesser gwiffins and gwiffin pilots.
The key to stopping Ansom was taking out Ansom's artillery. And that's just not doable any more. His only advantages was superior air power (blown out of the sky by Jillian), no "Fog-of-War" (disassembeled by Stanley), and a highly defensable fortress. And Ansom has the artillery pieces to batter down Stanley/Parson's walls.Thanks to Ceika (X2), Yeril, Holammer and Dr. Bath for the Avatars!
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On the dirtamancer croakmancer combo. First off we don't know that Sizemore can just animate crap. We know he built the defenses so its pretty likely that his magic can animate other things. Since dirt is part of the name its not that much of a stretch to assume that Sizemore can animate dirt. Now how would dirt, a lot of which is degraded dead things, work with animating dead things. Hmm...
Two Wanda can do more than just animate uncroaked, so that could also work well with a dirtamancer or a thinkamancer.
Of course, I'm wondering why Parson doesn't summon Ansom take the pliers and have Wanda send Ansom back still mind controled he and the Archons can kill the gwiffions and Jillian. Also get a spell that can summon a flier, or get a mercenary flier. Then Ansom can lead the air and mountain units on a wild goose chase and the air unit can finish off the entire coalition while it is camped on GK.
Also Ansom is off balance right now and will be really off balance if an attack doesn't come. The same applies to Vinny and possibly Jillian. Also I'm guessing a bunch of the coalition will think why would Stanley not take the Arkenpliers, and then conclude it is a trap. Everyone will be confused especially if GK is unguarded.
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Not the field, the walls. Parson only needs to counter the guys climbing the walls and that's proportional to the number of siege units. If he had the dwagons Parson could even the odds on his turn (burn a few siege units) to compensate for his losses on the walls.
Now things are tricky. I was not totally disapointed Parson had a setback. I wanted to see a fight near the walls (in game terms it is quite interesting), but without dwagons I feel a bit like you. It's too tough.
But let's see, Parson can still try to do something with his spidews (break the column in two), if there are enough of those, or may prepare for a fight inside the walls, where he can set some traps.Avatar: ruthless Parson (Erfworld).
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I'm not so sure about the blindness, I mean he scouted that one hex with the bat, then rushed in there even though the report was it was empty? Presumably because he thought it was veiled?
So at the very least he would be invisible to the scouts? I'm not sure we know enough about the veiling.
I mean you can be veiled to the bat scouts but not to troops? Or Ansom?
There isn't much known about the Foolamancer and what he can do, looking forward to finding out though.
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IMO, the bottom line is that the fact that the debate continues proves that, if Parson did make a mistake, it wasn't an obvious n00b error, and is thus not out of character.
The image of Ansom all alone and befuddled after the charge into the center hex makes me suspect that it's more a matter of "higher rank units" than of "very large number of them". However, that could simply be a matter of Jamie's dramatic composition, not intended to convey any tactical implications.Last edited by SteveMB; 2007-10-26 at 04:53 PM.