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2009-08-27, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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The PHB Wizard
Now here's a question for all you lads and lasses. we are running a dnd campaign at the moment where almost anything goes. Means spells from any splat book etc.
I'm playing a gnome, Evil, level 5, Specialist school necromancy, barred schools illusion and Enchantment. Here's the catch I only want to use PHB spells. What would you guys say is the essential list of spells to have if your a wizard. The staples or toolbox that's always useful.
From level 1-9, what would you guys say ?
Identify, mage armor, prestidigitation, Fly, Invisibililty etc. bearing in mind my barred schools.Never forget you are the walls of steel and iron, between Mankind and a thousand horrors too unspeakable to name. You are the walls of Hell.
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2009-08-27, 04:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Unfortunately some very useful ones are barred to you, but remember glitterdust, web, grease, haste...
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2009-08-27, 04:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104002
Batman. Core only spell breakdown first, then other sources after. All in all a very good thread to have bookmarked.
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2009-08-27, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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You can play an excellent Wizard core only. Other classes, expecially melee, IMHO, are faaar better with this or that splatbook, but a wiz can remain core and still be very good.
Consider this: in a lot of "Wizard is teh borkenn" threads, most people agree (me too) that most of the most poweful and at risk of game breaking spells are in the core.
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2009-08-27, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Most of the items, too. Candles of Invocation? Core.
Wish? Core.
Shapechange? Core.
Enervation? Core.Now if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
I cast irresistable phantasmal killer as a 4th level spell. No save, just die.
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2009-08-27, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-27, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Druid doesn't have Wildshape, and the Monk is played by Giacomo, so this isn't quite your standard party either...
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2009-08-27, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Here's something I never really got. Why everyone thinks an evocation specialist is a blaster or can only do that one thing. There's plenty of good stuff to fill your mandatory 1spell per level of evocation without taking anything blasty and beyound that you're still a full caster with anouther five schools to play around in. Wind Wall, Contingency, Gust of Wind, Wall of Force.... get's a little harder at high level but meh.
Give them bread and circusses and the plebs wont rise against you. Give adventurers dungeons and trapped chests and they won't waste time looking to ransack your home and kill your wife.
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2009-08-27, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-27, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Let me explain this as simply as possible.
Evocation doesn't suck. It's not a very good school and it's redundant with others making an excellent banning choice, but it does actually have some good spells. Not great, but not as bad as it's made out to be.
Blasters? Now they suck. Hard. Really Hard.
Also, just FYI, @OP: Why did you ban illusion again? Illusion is usually not a very good banning choice seeing as it's probably the 3rd best school after Conjuration and Transmutation. It gives alot of defensive spells like Mirror Image, Inviability and that sort of thing. It also has the silent image line which is pure win.
If your build is already finalized then please ignore me as it doesn't reallly matter.Last edited by aje8; 2009-08-27 at 10:32 AM.
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2009-08-27, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thats pretty much the only PbP I follow. It's very well done. About losing illusion, I dunno. Mirror Image has proven quite useful by itself.
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2009-08-27, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Extreme spelling fail for the lose.
Invisibility? That right? Spelling is not my strong suit.Fire Emblem Optimizer and Game Balancer (apparently) in the Playground
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2009-08-27, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Illusions are useful at lower levels, but if you end up fighting a lot of outsiders or casters at higher levels, True Seeing will pretty much ruin your day.
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2009-08-27, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Give them bread and circusses and the plebs wont rise against you. Give adventurers dungeons and trapped chests and they won't waste time looking to ransack your home and kill your wife.
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2009-08-27, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, the old "illusionary painting over the symbol of death" trick. Gets 'em every time.
(Though the spell description says covering the symbol renders it ineffective, piercing the illusion with True Seeing could also satisfy the "remove the cover" clause of the spell trigger.)
I pictured you with your pinky at the corner of your mouth a la Dr. Evil when I read that...Last edited by Optimystik; 2009-08-27 at 01:08 PM.
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2009-08-27, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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This'll help a bit: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=21
Even though it was for sorcs, the spell selection is the same.Last edited by ericgrau; 2009-08-27 at 04:04 PM.
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