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2014-09-05, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Welcome one and all to the twenty eighth Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful) builds, summoning a savory dish of superb swordplay and sublime sorcery.
The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!
For the twenty eighth challenge, prove to me that chivalry (and this contest) is not dead; from Player's Handbook II it's the Knight
Our challengers will have about 3 weeks to build a complete build up to Effective Character Level 20 using a 32 point buy and all official WOTC D&D 3.5 materials (excluding Dragon Magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Knight without actually using any levels in it.
Entries must be submitted by Monday, 11:59pm GMT, 29 September, 2014. As usual, please submit your entries via private message to the chairman, so as not to influence the other sauciers.
Judges will then have until Monday, 11:59pm GMT, 20 October, 2014, to post scores for all dishes.
If there is no or very limited interest expressed either in thread or PMs to the Chairman, this round will be closed early.
Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 4 categories;
* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)
Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.
Recommended style:SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features 1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
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For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)SpoilerSpells per Day/Spells Known
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Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.
Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use Leadership, as we don't want to overfeed the judges.
Previous challenges;- Soulknife
- Bard
- Monk
- Assassin
- Barbarian
- Warlock
- Paladin *
- Warblade
- Pyrokineticist
- Ninja *
- Druid
- True Necromancer
- Dervish
- Whisperknife
- Epic Infiltrator *
- Master of Vipers
- Ranger *
- Flayerspawn Psychic
- Totemist
- Walker in the Waste
- Drunken Master
- Cleric
- Duskblade
- Psibond Agent
- Argent Fist
- Fighter
- Artificier
* Classes marked with an asterisk have had their original posts updated to reflect the final results.
This competition is inspired by the Playground Iron Chef Competitions and uses mostly identical rules.
Also it comes with double prize money. Why? Because we care!
Allez Sauciers!Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-09-05, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
A few administrative notes:
Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt and generic classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em.
Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.
Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, may lose you points. Please note the following: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.
Concerning Experience Requirements: Each build is allotted exactly 200,000 EXP. This is roughly 10,000 EXP more than necessary to get to 20th level. Please take note of this when planning your character for circumstances like LA Buyoff, Item Crafting, Magic Use, Multiclassing EXP Penalties, etc. Please note that this is a change from past rounds that dysprosium has been the Chairman. Let's try this out (Thank you to Kazudo, who I lifted this from )
Definition of Power for scoring: Since this has been a point of contention, let me lay down this guideline. Since the goal is to emulate the Secret Ingredient, achieving much higher power than the Secret Ingredient is capable of is overkill and should be marked accordingly. Likewise if the build cannot match the power of the Secret Ingredient it should be marked accordingly. Individual judges can decide how much is too much for Power scoring, as each judge will have different tastes. The goal here is to prevent all entries being Wizard 20 because "they do it better."
What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is illegal by the RAW, the judge may give a 0 or decline to score a given entry. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.
Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes, but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.
What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.
Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.
What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.
Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Variant class features and variant character classes are espressly permitted. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines are ripe for abuse, and will be discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.
What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while I am chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.
How the heck do I even do this? Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to select a combination of race, templates, classes, alternate class features, prestige classes, skills, and feats, meld them into a single character that progresses from ECL 1 to ECL 20, that is as close as possible to the secret ingredient as possible in look, feel, class features. How you do it is up to you, I recommend you read previous competitions if you are interested in seeing how others have done it before you. Capture the essence!
A thread for your amusement/edification: Handy Tips for the Iron Chef in the Playground NoobChairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-09-05, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
looks interesting ... going to look closer when i get the finishing touches on my Junkyard submission
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2014-09-05, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
I'll be submitting something.
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2014-09-05, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
ka-nig-it finally I get to say - NI-
I will see what is what with this one
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2014-09-08, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
I received the first submission over the weekend.
Will this be a more popular ingredient?Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-09-08, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
I have general ideas on how to do this, but nothing super exciting. I'll judge. I should have criteria up by sometime tonight.
Iron Chef Medals
SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2014-09-10, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-10, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Criteria:
Innovation
SpoilerStart from a baseline score of 3.
Up to 1 point of bonus or penalty based on how much you surprised me personally. I won't judge originality against the other entries, as that's somewhat meaningless with the lower turnout that the side competitions get. Also note that I won't reward shameless originality grabs. If you pick some oddball race or class and it serves your build or the emulation of some Knight class feature, great. If you're doing it just for the hell of it, you won't get bonus points.
Up to 1 point for cool mechanical tricks or standard optimization fare respectively.
Up to a 0.25 point bonus if I find your fluff to be particularly excellent.
Power
SpoilerStart from a baseline score of 3.
The point of reference here is the SI, so a 3 is roughly equal in versatility and power. A 5 is a noticeable improvement across the board which still retains the feel of the ingredient. Brute forcing the emulation is poor form. If the SI was Monk and you used a Druid 20 because Druids can do everything, you would see penalties here, even though you would be very powerful. The sweet spot here is around T3 or high T4. The sort of thing you could direct a prospective knight player toward in a party where the standard class might be overshadowed a bit.
Up to 0.5 points for general tier ranking relative to a Knight 20. A T5 build or a T2/T1 build will receive a -0.5. A very low T4 or very high T3 build will receive a 0. A build somewhere in the mid T4 to mid T3 sweet spot will receive a +0.5.
Up to 1.5 points of bonus or penalty for how well you do the things that you do without resorting to T1/T2 power. Are you better at those things than a Knight 20?
Elegance
SpoilerStart from a baseline score of 4.
Each failure to qualify for a thing results in a 0.5 point deduction.
A rule interpretation which is highly questionable or likely not to fly at the average table will result in a penalty of up to 0.25 points depending on severity. I'm pretty cheese tolerant as judges go though.
Up to 0.75 points of bonus or penalty based on the overall flow of the build. A clean, flowing progression will score more points, whereas something that feels awkward may be penalized. As with cheese, I'm not going to try to be especially punitive toward dipping unless it's really excessive, and indeed, if you do something stupid to avoid dipping (like taking Fighter 3 instead of Fighter 2 as your break point without a compelling reason) I'll penalize you. If you incur multiclass penalties, change alignment mid-build for crunch reasons, or the like, you can expect to be dinged here.
Up to 0.25 bonus points if the build just screams classy.
Ingredient
SpoilerStart from a baseline score of 1.
I will award bonus points for every class ability or prerequisite that I see emulated in some way. The better the emulation, the larger the bonus. The bonus will either be a +0.25 (a decent emulation), or a +0.5 (an emulation that I feel goes above and beyond the expected in some way). The abilities I'll judge on are as follows.
- Fighting Challenge
- Test of Mettle
- Call to Battle
- Daunting Challenge
- Bond of Loyalty
- Loyalty Beyond Death
- Shield Block
- Armor Mastery
- Bonus Feats, including Mounted Combat
- Bulwark of Defense
- Vigilant Defender
- Shield Ally/Improved Shield Ally
- Impetuous Endurance
If the build really captures the feel of the SI, I'll award an additional 0.25 point bonus.Last edited by WhamBamSam; 2014-09-13 at 05:23 PM.
Iron Chef Medals
SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2014-09-12, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
So as of this post we have one entry and one judge.
Plenty of room for more!Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-09-12, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
If i could just stop jumping between 3 different ideas (although probably to close to each other), each feeling slightly off and a distinct feeling that i should be able to merge them for a more complete 'knight' feel... Then i'd build it right away
Last edited by Sian; 2014-09-12 at 12:46 PM.
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2014-09-12, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
How long does one have?
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2014-09-12, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Entries must be submitted by Monday, 11:59pm GMT, 29 September, 2014. As usual, please submit your entries via private message to the chairman, so as not to influence the other sauciers.
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2014-09-12, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Hmm, in flight at that time and a busy weekend. I'll try, but it will be a late entry.
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2014-09-13, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Wham, i notice that my cheat sheet of abilities i want to emulate with my build is longer than yours ... what did Shield block and Armor Mastery do to you to get ignored?
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2014-09-13, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Iron Chef Medals
SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2014-09-13, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Oooh, I have a fun idea for this one. I need to see if it'll work out, but I'll try to contribute something for this.
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2014-09-14, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
I don't have time to compete, but I just stopped by to say that this is my favorite component, and I'll be watching for sure.
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2014-09-15, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
looks like a little better interest level.. hope we have a good showing
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2014-09-16, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Well I'm not too optimistic now.
Not one but two Iron Chef threads active.
But I am willing to be proven wrong.Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-09-16, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
hope 2 IC 's dont kill things for entries here... that would be a bummer
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2014-09-19, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Checking in to see what's cooking . . .
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2014-09-19, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
I've gotten stuck with juggling my skill points but otherwise completely done
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2014-09-20, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
stuck on skills not a bad thing overall...
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2014-09-20, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
I'm having skill point difficulties as well. @_@
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2014-09-23, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
hey more chefs - wonder if it can break 5 this round?
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2014-09-23, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Is the competition still open then? Was completely swamped last week.
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2014-09-23, 07:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
given that OP states that its open for entry submission till Monday 29th at 23:59 GMT, thats a yes
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2014-09-23, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Yes indeed the competition is still open!
There is always room for more.Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-09-24, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XXVIII: Chivalry is not dead!
Finally got around finishing the build and sent it in