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2019-08-26, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2019-08-26, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Portal to/actually Helheim was how I read it. Loki's leaving Hel's domain and that's why he's coming out of the circle.
That whole "Incapable of telling the truth" thing.
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Adjective?
I mean it is modifying "world" after all."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-08-26, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Interesting. I had never thought of English as being a creole language but it does make sense.
Looks like the Neutral Evil Plane.
Then where did the "d" come from? Because this looks a lot like a past participle acting as an adjective as in "rented room" for example.Forum Wisdom
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2019-08-26, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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The use of an "-ed" suffix to treat a noun as an adjective isn't uncommon. Given that English's stance on word rules can be described as "Rules? There are no rules. There's barely any strategy!", I can't tell you if that's the direct form of the convention, if that's a shorthand for assuming any noun has an identically named verb equivalent, or whether the former is actually the latter.
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2019-08-26, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not necessarily. It is not unusual, at least in English, to find orphaned (or “defective”) verb forms, which only appear in one sense or syntactic context and in no other. The word “beware” only appears in infinitive or imperative form; it has no conjugated forms at all, such as isware*, wasware*, amware*, bewares*, bewared*, bewaring*, etc. Similar restrictions exist for “begone.” The verb “quoth” has no present-tense form; modal auxiliary verbs (can, could, may, might) have no infinitive form. English has no problem freely converting most nouns into verbs and then adding verb suffixes. One could say “I lightsabered the enemy” and there would be no grammatical objection to the non-existence of “to lightsaber” as a verb.
One could say that by adding the -(e)d to a noun, the noun-to-verb conversion is implied.
* Linguists mark non-grammatical and non-word forms with an asterisk.Last edited by Fish; 2019-08-26 at 03:33 PM.
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2019-08-26, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-26, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't have anything to say about that line.
Just thought it needed quoting.
Well, you know who count's as people these days?
We're talking believe now - not worship or dedication. So this number probably includes everyone who is a creature with intelligence high enough to be self conscious, knows that Loki exists and that he is not a very honest person. I doesn't need to be a member of a major race ot even humanoid, it doesn't need to have any connection to the northern pantheon.
If that's true half a billion doesn't seem that far fetched.
Except he said it to Thor whom he can be honest wit.
I still think when it comes to callousness Xykon takes the cake.
The only reason that Lych cares about the world is because it's where he keeps his stuff. Loki doesn't.
Let's see Loki thinking about destroying the outer planes once he get's really bored, then we'll talk.
Oh the irony!
Can't help but feel reminded of this.
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2019-08-26, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have a bachelor’s degree in linguistics. You need anybody to talk your ear off about weird things in English, or in other languages, I’m your ... uh ... fish.
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2019-08-26, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-08-26, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-08-26, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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What's the deal with Esperanto? My first conscious exposure to the words "Esperanto" and "cliché" were (different) episodes* of Tiny Toon Adventures back in the 90s, so this isn't entirely random....
* The direct-to-video How I Spent My Summer Vacation was split into episode-length pieces for airing during a later season, so I think it counts.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2019-08-26, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh no, I was deceived!
Spitballing here, but maybe apple used to mean fruit before narrowing to one general fruit, like our own "pomme" used to?Forum Wisdom
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2019-08-26, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Meaning, the moment they become gods and gained a quiddity, they became reliant on belief. What form they existed as previously doesn't much matter as they weren't gods. Whether they just popped into existence, ascended from preexisting energy or creatures, or just wandered into a place of existence where they gained infinite for the price of needing beliefs to survive there, they are there in OotS universe. The moment the OotS universe formed, its laws of physics determined 3 things: 1. gods have form and thought, 2. gods have one quiddity, 3. gods feed on and mutate based on the beliefs of multiple quiddity beings.
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2019-08-26, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Linguists look down on constructed languages like Esperanto and Klingon and Quenya, for what reason I’m not positive. I guess the thinking is that we hope to learn about the human brain by studying the way we learn, store, and utilize language; and non-natural languages (the thinking goes) don’t reveal anything except what we consciously put there.
Shame that Esperanto hasn’t really taken off. It had a lot of promise, as a concept: a universal language that’s easy to learn.
Good call. Etymology Online says that it did used to mean generic fruit, just as pomme in French, and in the original Latin root. It’s a little like the word “corn” in that respect.Last edited by Fish; 2019-08-26 at 04:11 PM.
The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-08-26, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it seems to be ananás in Portugal Portuguese.
Okay, look, my theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters and you don't like my tie, but I did graduate in Language and Literature here, so this time we can have a decentish conversation.
The "looking down" thing goes through part of what you described for the thinking, sure. But aside from that, it's not easy to learn for everyone (nor could it easily be). Likewise, the most likely language to become the world's lingua franca depends on the power dynamics of the time. Unless there was some sort of a world push to make everyone learn Esperanto - or any language whatsoever - it is never going to work as intended. So that's the "beef", insofar as I even think about it, I personally have with esperanto.
To be sure, studying how constructed languages operate, within the brain and outside it, would be a very good field day for any linguist; if they feel it's unnecessary to do so, they are being willfully ignorant.
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2019-08-26, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why is it hind and hinder?
Also, wow, Loki's really not pulling any punches. I love his borderline anti-villain getup.
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2019-08-26, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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The English don't even make their own mistakes, they steal them from others. How typical.
Shame indeed. Though, having read my grandmother's beginner's guide to esperanto (not the actual title) I can say with confidence that it is far too europeocentric to be easy to learn for everyone.
Yay!
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2019-08-26, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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In Scion, a lot of the Aesir planes have Hiem after the important people's name. I think it means "home". Like Jotunheim is where the Jotun live, Helhiem is where Hel lives.
Isn't it just Hel in OotS? Hel lives in Hel? Or has that not been established and I don't know what I'm talking about?
I can't find the strip where they say that right now but I'm looking."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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