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Thread: Twilight - Love it, or Hate it?
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2009-06-03, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Twilight - Love it, or Hate it?
I'd also highly reccomend anything by Neil Gaiman, but especially Neverwhere, Stardust, and The Graveyard Book. Personally, I think American Gods is his best work, but you gotta ease up to it.
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2009-06-03, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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American Gods is beyond good. Neil Gaiman also has the advantage of having different works to suit your maturity:
The Day I Swapped My Dad For Two Goldfish & The Wolves In The Walls - small children.
Stardust & Coraline - adolescents
The Sandman - moody teenagers
American Gods & Anansi Boys - Grownups.
Not to say you can't enjoy everything he wrote at any age. Because he's good.Spoiler
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2009-06-03, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Quite. I was sad when he died. THAT'S RIGHT - HE DIES!
Movie was baaaaaaaad. Didn't read the book because I didn't feel like devoting longer than...2 1/2 hours?...of my time to it. Will probably not watch the others unless dragged into it by a female friend - again. Will NOT ever spend money on them, ugh.
Wanna see some people hate on me? A) I haz a new Recaiden dolly that is hella kewt, and B) I LOVED THE WHEEL OF TIME SERIES!
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2009-06-03, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like reading through Moving Pictures and trying to spot every single reference. And I quite enjoyed the Moist novels. Going Postal was much better than Making Money, and they're no Night Watch, but they're amusing enough and I don't want Discworld to get too noir.
* Actually, Making Money was pretty bad.Spoiler
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2009-06-03, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Do not blaspheme against Moist Von Lipwig. He has the most badass name of any protagonist ever.
@Irish - I've noticed that younger children (8-12) think Coraline is a wonderful adventure, and adults (20-death) tend to walk around the house turning on all the lights after reading it.
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2009-06-03, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, yeah, eventually.
But I don't really want my extremely immature fourteen year old sister reading it now, kthnx.
She wouldn't enjoy it, and, if she could force herself to read it, I think it would scar her for life.
However, since I'm a "nerd" and had already been exposed to such things at her age, it was a fine read by me, if a little long and dry (Anne Rice can be accused of such things, really...).
The problem here is that my sister is intelligent (beyond most of her grade level, anyways), and yet she enjoys stupid things. She's not nerdy, she wouldn't enjoy Pratchett or Gaiman, and so even getting her to read Twilight was a victory for me.
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2009-06-03, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dude, if your sister doesn't take to Gaiman, I'd suggest gving up on her now.
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2009-06-03, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've never been a fan of pandering to immaturity. I started reading adult novels at around the age of twelve (mainly Michael Moorcock).
I don't believe in 'teen' literature. Either you're still a child, and should stick with children's books, or you have the mental maturity to read books for grown-ups.Spoiler
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2009-06-03, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm guessing I shouldn't point out that I liked making money more than going postal? Of course people have said I have bad taste before...
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2009-06-03, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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...huh?
I'm not sure what's wrong with "thinly veiled allegory", as it worked just fine for Animal Farm and Gulliver's Travels, and I'll usually take "thinly veiled allegory" over a book that feels the need to beat you into the head with its message repeatedly without any allegory whatsoever. The other things I find to be rather overstated.Last edited by Lord Seth; 2009-06-03 at 12:05 PM.
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2009-06-03, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I've been reading through Dune very very slowly. I must say, it's one of the most amazing Sci-Fi’s ever.
I've been a fan since I got the "Dune 2000" game when I was about 7 (still my fave RTS game).
They're making a new Dune movie too which I hope comes out well.
Anyway yeah, Frank Herbert= God amoung authors.
I haven't read Children of Dune yet, but I saw the movie(ish) and it was very good.
= Kiefer Sutherland kicking the crap out of Cullen for 24 hours.
I can't get the image of Edward getting Death By Stereo!'d out of my head.Last edited by Nameless; 2009-06-03 at 12:07 PM.
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2009-06-03, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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"This is why it hurts the way it hurts.
You have too many words in your head.
There are too many ways to describe the way you feel.
You will never have the luxury of a dull ache.
You must suffer through the intricacy of feeling too much"
— Iain S. Thomas
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2009-06-03, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I go by the "whatever floats your boat" school of thought. I've never read the Twilight books and I don't really plan to (teen romance novels aren't my cup of tea). However, I have no problems at all with the books or the fans. Again, if someone else finds the novels enjoyable, good for them.
One of the major arguments against the Twilight books is that it encourages "abusive relationships". Honestly, that's like arguing that reading A Clockwork Orange is going to encourage the reader to join a street gang or that reading The Sun Also Rises is going to encourage the reader to travel to Spain and get drunk during the fesitival of San Fermin. Just because one enjoys reading a book doesn't mean that they'll emulate the characters in it. Remember, the "influence" argument is the same one that opponents of violent video games use to try and restrict those.
Another argument is that the Twilight series is bad literature and they should be reading something "better". By those lines, I suppose that they should write a letter to an English Literature departmart and restricting themselves to what the professors classify as acceptable reads. What people choose to read in their free time is only their business. The person among us who hasn't enjoyed reading escapist literature may throw the first stone here.
Perhaps what I find most baffling is that a community that often prides itself on openness and acceptance can be so dismissive and elitist when it comes to some of the likes and dislikes of others. All of us dislike some forms of media. However, if we dislike something it doesn't mean that someone else can't like it nor does it mean we can criticize them for liking it. Personal taste is just that, personal.
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2009-06-03, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-03, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Its becoming less and less culturally acceptable as we realize the mentality that goes hand in hand with age.
Perhaps being a teenager is a cultural phenomenon, but so is being a toddler or a middle-aged person, and there are certain things that are and aren't acceptable for that age-era.
Toddlers are really just kids, aren't they? But there are certain things that are acceptable and some that aren't for them, just the same. You cannot give a toddler a toy with small parts, because their minds aren't ready for such things, and they're likely to eat them and possibly choke and die, or some such.
At the same level, a young teenager may not be ready for such heavy topics, though it really depends on the teenager in question. You and I were obviously able to tackle darker concepts at a young age, but my sister would be uncomfortable and would possibly swear off reading yet again (And I've just convinced her to read The Looking Glass Wars, too v.v)
...To be fair, my sister was mostly uncomfortable with the last Twilight book, regarding the sex and the violent "Caesarean section".
"This is why it hurts the way it hurts.
You have too many words in your head.
There are too many ways to describe the way you feel.
You will never have the luxury of a dull ache.
You must suffer through the intricacy of feeling too much"
— Iain S. Thomas
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Bella: (Waking up to see Edward sitting by her bed) *Shock horror but obviously aroused*
What are you doing here? :o
Edward: I want more cookies GOD DAMN IT! >:ILast edited by Nameless; 2009-06-03 at 12:21 PM.
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2009-06-03, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by RabbitHoleLost; 2009-06-03 at 12:24 PM.
"This is why it hurts the way it hurts.
You have too many words in your head.
There are too many ways to describe the way you feel.
You will never have the luxury of a dull ache.
You must suffer through the intricacy of feeling too much"
— Iain S. Thomas
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2009-06-03, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's definitely some biology there. There are parts of the brain that don't finish maturing until the early twenties, and deficiency in those areas has real effects on behavior.
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If it weren't for the fact that a noticeable sector of the fan base rhapsodizes about the relationship in the book and wishes they were in a similar relationship, I'd agree.
But while most literature doesn't cause the reader to imitate people in the story, I think there are exceptions. There are cases where the story can encourage people with a pre-existing tendency to follow it. For a mentally healthy person, Twilight is harmless, like any other story. But for a mentally unhealthy person, I worry that it may encourage them to do things against their own interests.
Some people read books as escapism, but I've actually known a few people who tend to use things that happen in books as excuses for things they do in real life. And there's a limit on how high-octane the fuel I'm willing to give people like that is.
Another argument is that the Twilight series is bad literature and they should be reading something "better". By those lines, I suppose that they should write a letter to an English Literature departmart and restricting themselves to what the professors classify as acceptable reads. What people choose to read in their free time is only their business. The person among us who hasn't enjoyed reading escapist literature may throw the first stone here.
Perhaps what I find most baffling is that a community that often prides itself on openness and acceptance can be so dismissive and elitist when it comes to some of the likes and dislikes of others. All of us dislike some forms of media. However, if we dislike something it doesn't mean that someone else can't like it nor does it mean we can criticize them for liking it. Personal taste is just that, personal.
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You do realize the risk if she starts picking up John Ringo books at random after liking those, right? If dark concepts are liable to make her swear off reading, the wrong Ringo book might knock her all the way into aphasia.