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2012-02-25, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Farts. I mean, frats. Heehee toilet humour!
Also, trigger stuff.
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Seconded. The most obvious college-related rape culture stuff here are some of the parties. Apparently never go to a foam party: someone usually rapes someone else (usually a drunk fresher girl) under the foam.
Maybe you should rethink the fighting with a dozen guys plan?
I don't think you can pin this behaviour on Ireland, since they're emulating a specific US frat. (By the way, I should go look up to see if there's any more drama. Maybe it'll all have been an awful joke.)
And they can't get around the rule by being rich, unless I suppose they bribe one of the capitated bodies, but they'd have to bribe over half a committee, and it would be blatantly obvious that something funny had happened when they were recognised despite blatantly breaking college rules.
I think this is a result of that idea held by some super-privileged people that things were better in the "good old days" when they had, like, ALL the privilege, instead of the halfway fair (if imperfect) system we've got now. You know, the "Ah, for the days when men were men and there wasn't any of that ludicrous political correctness, and people just did right by their neighbours." by which they often mean "Ah, for the days when women were second-class citizens, we didn't have to pretend not to be racist or classist or sexist or any other -ist, and you got ahead exclusively by knowing the right people." I mean, things aren't perfect now, and some things were better in certain places in the past, like having a tight-knit neighbourhood community as the norm, but things are so much better now than in, say, the 1950s (which are often idealised), especially for anyone at all who isn't a straight, cis, white, rich, abled, neurotypical, upper-middle-class or higher man. Which is almost everyone. And it hasn't actually gotten worse for them, since everyone benefits from equality and a happier society. So I think people who idealise the past that way are either (a) not thinking it through, (b) being very selective about it ("well, yes, obviously there was a lot of racism, but I mean ASIDE from that") or (c) entitled people who are so happy with their own privilege over others that they want more of it.
I like rocks.
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I keep trying to use "quote" for some reason. Similarly, for the first month or two after I returned to GitP I kept getting Coidzor's and Golentan's names mixed up in my head for no reason I could discern.
Yeah though, that frat thing sounds pretty annoying. The sexism isn't the only problem, but it's definitely the agitating one.
Regarding the other aforementioned frat, it's probably best I don't state my immediate thoughts on a bad day...
Ugh, it feels like I'm covered in stubble even though I shaved just three days ago... And it's just impossible to look in a mirror for more than five seconds or so.
... *Hugs* I'm sure things will get better, though. For all of us.
... It's a bad sign when you have to convince yourself... :/
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SpoilerI kind of have to agree with this, name-calling is not good at all. Even if Sun was a Troll, it will not help anyone and might hurt someone. ;_;
I think Sun just got off on the wrong foot. But even if that is not the case, friendliness and hugs should always be preffered to Troll!
If you are a broken record, then you are the most amazing broken record I know of.
I sincerely hope that you will get much better and have much more fun in the future. Take your time.
I only know of frat houses from a single episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but that doesn't sound very good at all.
Maybe you can create a much better and more fun group to outrival them? Would that help? :3
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@Helio: Sounds like everything is going well, I hope it will continue to do so. ^_^Last edited by Mina Kobold; 2012-02-25 at 02:57 PM.
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2012-02-25, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also spoilered because this seems to be a spoilered discussion now.
SpoilerThe fighting a dozen guys thing was more of a sarcastic afterthought as I considered the possible endings of that night at the frat house. I don't think I'll actually do that. I want to keep in good shape so I can fight bears when I'm older.
And I'm sorry; I didn't mean to imply that this is typical of Ireland. Most of the nasty frat stories I hear are from the US. What I meant was that the kind of mindset these guys seem to have is that of years past, just without the concepts of honor or chivalry to balance it out.
As for getting around school rules, if they can get some of the wealthy folks who donate to the school on their side, they have a shot at being allowed to keep their proposed entry restrictions. A lot of the stuff I hear about frats over here involves schools being too scared to get involved because they don't want to lose financial backing from alumni from those frats.
I completely agree with that long paragraph except for one line--at some point, women weren't even second-class citizens. They were property.
I like rocks too, but I think organic molecules are neat. I'm currently thinking of going into biochemistry and studying some of those weird critters that don't fit the normal patterns of terrestrial life. (Arsenate-DNA critters, silicon critters, methanotrophs, those critters with both animal and plant characteristics, deep-sea critters, and so on.)
That is so incredibly off-topic, hehe. Unless I were to mention that very few organic molecules are straight. [/badpuns]
Edit: I was in the midst of my new (as of today--yesterday, technically, but then it turned twelve o'clock) habit of reading at least five random Wikipedia articles before bed, and I found this. Apparently there were gay and lesbian magazines back in the 1920s. Has anybody read any of these old magazines before? I'm curious as to the type of content.Last edited by noparlpf; 2012-02-26 at 12:42 AM.
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2012-02-26, 05:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Frats:
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We already have over a hundred awesome student societies!
I made it spoilered because it's not really on topic and people who come here for support might not want to hear about stupid frat things. Which is definitely reasonable!
Anyway, I'm hoping that the alumni thing won't happen. First, because I think Irish universities get way less from alumni than US ones do, so they don't have as much influence. Second, because I hope that if some alumni put pressure on like that, other alumni will put pressure on the other way ("I'm a high-powered, rich woman who came to college through an access program for people from bad areas, and if you let these people do this, I will stop giving you generous donations."). And third, because there aren't any alumni who actually went through a frat, since it'll be brand new, so none of them will have loyalty to the frat like in US colleges.
And I agree about the past, but I was focusing on the 1950s as my example, and, bad though things were, women in western countries were at least considered people by then!
Extremophiles are bonkers! We got a talk recently about ones that live on black smokers on the Mid-Atlantic Rift. Crazy stuff.
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Does no one else use "circle jerk" to mean "bunch of gob****es all sewn up, helping one another and making each other feel more important than they are"? We use it for stuff like "Oh, the developers fund the politicians and then the politicians make nice to the developers. It's just a big circle jerk.".
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2012-02-26, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but given the stereotypes about frat houses, and the fact that this thread tends to deal with sex and sexual issues more often than not, the literal meaning of the phrase lent itself more readily to my mind than the metaphorical one.
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Either that, or I'm just a pervert. Works both ways, really.Originally Posted by Lord Magtok
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More frat stuff.
SpoilerThat's a good reason to spoiler stuff. I'm a wee bit slow this week due to pain and opioids.
Likewise a wee bit slow in regards to the alumni thing. It seems I had forgotten the fact that it's a new frat when I brought up wealthy alumni. But yeah, they are an issue over here in some places.
I don't know why people romanticise the 1950s. They were kind of boring. They didn't even have Tetris, let alone Pokemon. (Weird rambly train of thought brought to you by I just woke up.)
I do like extremophiles. (I forgot they were called that. That's a much handier word than describing a list of neat critters to convey the idea.) And now I have a pile of Wikipedia pages open again. I do like Wikipedia.
Took me moment to figure that one out.
I haven't heard that before, but then, I haven't heard "circle jerk" before either. Your use of it does make sense, though.
OH HEY ON-TOPIC TIME!
Yesterday my mum said something like, "You are talking to a self-avowed asexual, you know," to somebody I was talking to. So at least she's willing to humor me even if she does think I'm just repressing my sexuality, or whatever she thinks.Jude P.
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"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
Thank you Geomancer for the Death avatar.
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So if I say 'Naughty Tentacles' and you get a particular mental image/association, it's indicative of a desire to have congress with an octopus?
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"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
Thank you Geomancer for the Death avatar.
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Singularity - Canceled
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Ah, so you're more of a cuttlefish man. I can respect that.
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I've used it for that before, but your use of "poopy head" threw me off by making me think you were using euphemisms.
I thought about saying something, but then I remembered some stories I've heard about frats and I figured it's probably a good point in any case.
What does it mean if you hear "congress" and think 'Sexual Legislation'?
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So, my director wants us to find what the Finale of Les Mis means to us, so we can put something behind it on stage. The message is about how as long are there are people on the earth, there will be a fight. Currently, the only thing I'm even close to having to fight for is my sexuality, and I'd gladly fight for True Love.
So without further ado...
SpoilerDo you hear the people sing
Lost in the valley of the night
It is the music of a people
Who are climbing to the light
For the wretched of the earth
There is a flame that never dies
Even the darkest night will end
And the sun will rise.
They will live again in freedom
In the garden of the Lord
They will walk behind the plough-share
They will put away the sword
The chain will be broken
And all men will have their reward!
Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Somewhere beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?
Do you hear the people sing
Say, do you hear the distant drums?
It is the future that they bring
When tomorrow comes!
Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Somewhere beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?
Do you hear the people sing
Say, do you hear the distant drums?
It is the future that they bring
When tomorrow comes!
Tomorrow comes!
Tomorrow comes!
For some reason I feel as though you are like my third family. (second is my best friends and *not officially*boyfriend)
Thank you all.
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In that case I would say that the politicians gave the developers the courtesy of a reach-around.
As for circle jerk, dudes "all sewn up, helping one another and making each other feel more important than they are," -- I guess that about sums it up, yeah.
I'd join a frat gladly if that was involved.
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Has this been linked here before?
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Also, that's awesome supernerd. And tons of hugs for Arachu.Last edited by Astrella; 2012-02-27 at 07:35 AM.
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Wowzers. (I have never even thought that before. Weird.)
Yup. Maybe if I go another decade or two without showing interest in sex she'll come around properly.
You're welcome! It's really nice to have a supportive and friendly group of people like this thread, isn't it?
Tough weekends are a pain. I have "Organic Chem Hell Week" coming up. Problem set due Friday, then the exam is this weekend. And I didn't have a chance to study or do any work over break due to wisdom teeth surgery and painkillers. Even better, I just got back to school yesterday and I'm already feeling sick, so I either caught something (from where? I've been in my room all week) or I'm actually manifesting withdrawal symptoms after only a week on a low dose of oxycodone.
So I feel ya. Sympathy *hugs* and have a nice break from class!Jude P.
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I'll look in here from time to time so you can PM me if you have any questions on Organic Chemistry. I don't promise to answer them, but I'll look at them.
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